I understand that RMS seminary also opted out of the visit from Our Blessed Mother. If this is true shame on the Neo's. Pray tell how can you call yourselves Catholic when you shun the Mother of God?? Truly shameful if this is true. Is this the same rational that Our Lady of Guadalupe has been removed from her perch at Santa Rita?
How much more proof do we need that the NEO's intention is to destroy the Catholic church! AAA gave them permission not to attend, or did they tell him? God bless the Christian Mothers of Chalan Pago. Now, you need to overrule the NEOs from saying mass and celebrating their "services" in your parish! Let them build their own "place" and do what they please in "their' place. Those of you who have joined the NEO and love the Blessed Mother, what have you got to say about your NEONAZIS now?
For them the only thing important are functions that are sponsored by the NCW. They need to be reminded of Our Lady's message to the world on conversion.
Sho yo Right! In Yigo last night as we prepared to celebrate world day of the sick, I noticed the ncw members headed to the religious education building with guitars and such in tow to celebrate their word. Just goes to show they are not a part of the parish, do not participate, but get to use the facilities and go around the village claiming to be from Our Lady of Lourdes because AAA said they could... how sadOn the flip side it was a beautiful celebration, Fr. Paul presided...
Why is the Mother Church only having the visit today? Our Blessed Mother should visit with the Cathedral when she first arrived. Who is planning this?
Schedule was made. I feel that if the Cathedral or the Archbishop wanted the first stop at the Cathedral, he would have made it a point to do so. BTW, the AAA I heard was late coming to the airport to greet the statue of the Fatima. The Fatima was already enroute to YIGO I believe. Just goes to show how important the Arrival of Fatima was to him. Guess he got up late because he had a restless night.
Rejection of the Fatima Statue is a sure sign to me that there is nothing catholic about the NCW.At the same time to reject the Fatima statue is a sign the NCW cult rejects to bring peace to the divided church of Guam. Rejection refusal of the NCW to respect church teaching, is the cause of disunity on Guam, which is the reason there is no peace, only discord where ever the NCW is present. So much evil in the cult and the leadership of our church Satan truly operates on San Ramon hill.
Once a group rejects any of the teachings of the Catholic church it cannot be considered or regarded as Catholic. Sadly, Guam's own archbishop is the worst offender along with the NCW leadership here.
FIRST OF ALL, Nino Perdido Y Sagrada Familia's priest Fr. Nino DID NOT REJECT OUR LADY. She visited Friday night and the Asan communities even led evening prayer. Get your facts together before you accuse others.
Any misunderstanding, if in fact that's what it was, is a direct result of parishes like yours having to live two lives: one for the neo and one for those who are not. The neos have separate worship, separate catechesis, separate rites, separate schedules, and separate understandings. Too bad you don't publish your catechism so all can see what you really are taught and believe. Then we wouldn't have these misunderstandings now would we.
3:33pm...a parishioner made the arrangements for the Fatima..your piss biter did not want to schedule...you must be on the other side of the fence...seek and ye shall find who made the arrangements from Asan
SHAME ON THESE PRIEST! WHY WOULD YOU TURN AWAY OUR LAY OF FATIMA? AAA WHAT ARE SUPPORTING?!
Just a reminder to all of us out there: like Tim and Chuck and several others have demonstrated over the last year and a half, the goal of the NCW is to destroy the parishes, so that they can impose they narrow agenda on the community level.You might bemoan their actions, but they are deliberate. The gradual take over of all the parishes on this island is a litmus test for Carmen and a her boyfriend Kiko for their new model of worship.The total control of all the aspects of each parrish in order to destroy them, (after of course having "sucked all the juice" out of them)If we fail to keep focused on that reality, we will lose the battle for our Church.They are not interested in compromise, or debate, they just want all of what we have to destroy or take it over for their benefit.Turning people into mindless zombies to achieve their goals, is part of the process.They don't care about our traditions and customs, actually they despise them, we are the monkeys and they are the giants to paraphrase Pius the Samnut.
Dear frenchie, please do not talk about us like that. We are not "mindless zombies". There is an unquestionable power game going on in the Way, but please believe me, not all of us participates! It is just a minority of those who are the "creme of the Way". They are the elites who want the light shining on them and to be Father Pius's pets! I actually intensely dislike them. They are the same bigots who repeat back at every occasion every word they hear from the mouth of Kiko or the catechists. But we are also here, dear frenchie, walking in the Way who prefer listening to Jesus rather than to the big mouths of our movement. We do not care much about the power games of the elites. If the Way's politicians overtake the parishes or Kiko wins over the whole Vatican, it is their business and not ours, we have nothing to do with that! But we do care about traditions and customs. You have to see through the eyes of through fellowship. The Old Testament is full of betrayals and fake friendship. It is full of violence and condemnation of the innocent. But our Lord Jesus opened our eyes towards each other. We see His presence among us in the eyes of our brethren. Is this bad, dear frenchie? The New Testament is a true game changer. We are not bound by the power games of the few and violent anymore. We do have a chance for peace. The Lord Jesus reigns big time in our hearts. This is the message of the apostles. This is the saving grace you have never seen in the books of Moses. So what is wrong with living in the gospels in true fellowship and reckless abandon? ;)
Sorry Alpha, but real Catholics do not see any need for your screwy Way. Your involvement by default props up the very corruption you pretend to decry. You sound like some of the Nazi's at Nuremberg trying to blame it all on their generals. In fact, your little testimonies here have done more to convince us of the seductive harm of the Way more than that of the vicious and violent types. Please spend your time with Diana.
Now I know who you sound like, our old friend Zoltan. Just can't stay away.
@ Alpha...Say all you want, but as long as you contribute to these people through your money and your presence at their functions, you are just as guilty of their sins.
I am not trying to blame anything on anyone. There is no corruption as far as I can tell. The point is fellowship exists in the membership of the Way and not in the leadership. The leaders are somewhere above in a different realm. We can do our little ways down on earth without being lifted to this higher realm. If you see this as corrupt then you have different priorities. It is normal. Our priorities are different. So what to do now?
Yes, I might be him or someone else. I have no reason to reveal who I am. It is not the question who is talking. The question is if anyone is listening. Lol!
Yep. Smelled the rat right from the start. Wow. Lower than I thought you could go. Too funny.
Good evening Alpha Quest, greetings from my retreat, where we are not allowed access to the internet until we retire at later hours.I must say that I found your interventions over the last three days, entertaining to say the least.Beside being self-contradictory in your statements, which raised little alarms bells as to your real identity, I will limit myself to the interpellation you so generously bestowed unto me.I am of course referring to your denial of my accusations of followers of the NCW being transformed into mindless Zombies.So lets go back to this definition: Mindless, adjective similar to stupid, foolish, idiotic, inane, unthinking, moronic, thoughtless.Zombies:Noun, a person to be considered of mechanical behavior or of liftlessness.Yet we witness on a daily basis, that it is exactly what is happening to the poor people that chose to follow this deviate version of Our Church.So despite your protests, I shall persist and sign my accusations. (If you want to discuss this one on one, I shall be back on island fairly soon, you can contact me through Tim for a meeting. It should not be boring.)You then go on and like in your other interventions, pose as a "rebel" of sort in that movement, while at the same time justifying the deeds of your leaders, by doing an interesting impersonation of Pontius Pilate.You are of course a few weeks ahead of schedule to play that role, and wash your whole hands of the mess perpetrated onto us.I find your whole discourse lacking genuineness, you pretend to not care about the approach of your leadership, yet you prop up their deeds just by being there.You appear to condemn some of the "corruption" yet you do and say nothing about how to combat it.You pretend to live in the inspiration of our Lord Jesus, yet you back a movement who claims Jesus was a sinner, and that he did not save us by dying on the cross.The same movement and leadership that based the large majority of its credo on the old testament and a very narrow interpretation of the Talmud.How ironic !!! You really want to have your cake and eat it at the same time.You sound very much like my troubled Magyar little friend that attempts to teach Mathematics at UOG.I must say that I just finished sharing your interventions with several Benedictines who host us for a few days, and they were unanimous in telling me you were one of the better comedians they had read in a while...... Impressive? don't you think?Now regarding the overall presentation of your rationale, the opinion was less flattering.We actually dedicated a general prayer of exorcism for Guam in order to rid the island of the evil spirits that pose as "moderate voices of reason" to divert the faithful from the true Church and the teaching of Jesus.If you truly wish to find join a movement of real love and compassion and teaching for each other, I would suggest the Catholic Scouts or the Knights of Colombus. You would not have to contort your mind to such extreme...Peace!
Simply put folks.....If the Prophet Kiko doesn't say to do it, then they just won't do it. SHAME ON THOSE PARISHES and the "so called" SEMINARY! Un Chochogue i isao ya hami un sosokne.( You continue to sin against the real church and blame us for it) Basta Di Ma Lanya!
The issue may be more about scheduling the Fatima visits, not disunity. I thought this was coordinated by IHOM in Toto by Fr. Mike Crisostomo's office. I don't see the Fatima scheduled for Father Duenas along with Chalan Pago, RMS, and possibly one or two other Parishes. When we last looked it was only from 12AM-5AM that was still left open. Not too many takers there.
Father Duenas had the opportunity to receive her, but unfortunately, scheduling wouldn't allow for it. I believe Chalan Pago's priest was in Saipan and wouldn't accommodate Our Lady, however, the Chalan Pago Christian Mothers got involved and received Our Lady. She is one statue trying to accommodate our Island ... couldn't WE be inconvenienced to receive her when her schedule allows for it and not at our convenience? I commend those who are working tirelessly bringing her to throughout the island ... Thank you!
Really FD? Scheduling wouldn't allow it?
Folks, I'm sure the Fatima will be welcomed after she attends some Invitation to Joy sessions and joins the NCW and gives away 75% controlling stake of the Fatima mountain that she appeared at she would be most welcomed and greeted.
I just called Asan parish..Fr. answered (I didn't take his name) confirmed Our Lady of Fatima will arrive there tomorrow at 6p.m.
Our Lady of Fatima will be at the Niño Perdido y Sagrada Familia Parish tomorrow from 6:00 pm to 11:00 pm. All are welcome to attend. May God bless our parish and most importantly, may God bless our beautiful island of Guam! Biba Katoliku!
Yep, the pastor of Asan confirmed after some parishioners questioned why it was not coming to Asan. Not giving the pastor credit...giving the parishioners credit.
The neos were there playing their kiko songs which didn't fit the adoration of the Blessed Mother. They really know how to ruin this very special visit. Keep the kiko songs out of the church where it rightfully belongs!
10:30 pm and others: friendly reminder that the word is "venerate" the Blessed Mother, never "adore" which is reserved for action intended for God alone. Thank you, Happy Valentine's Day.
LOL. Anon at 1:57 got it right. If she was a kikonut they would have greeted her at the airport with drums, tambourines, and guitars. Maybe AAA would have sung off-key just for her!That photo of Fr OJ Edivaldo could photoshop her into the brood of babes lying around him.Ah, but she is not a kiko, so she is ignored.Thank God our Lady of Fatima is not a kikonut, at least she has been spared the scandal and embarrassment of being associated with that group/cult.So SAD!
Confirmed with a member of Chalan Pago's Christian Mothers that Fr. Edivaldo was overruled by them. He wasn't even present to receive her when the Fatima first arrived at the church. He came like an hour later. I guess it's not of much importance to him.
Edivaldo must just have landed from Saipan. As a catechists, he probably had to check up on one of his flock that relocated to Saipan to become....a responsible. A catechists,..? What position does Holly hold in Saipan.
Hope Edivaldo didn't come to visit Our Lady od Fatima in his tight shirt and shorts.
Fr Edivaldo was entering his harem...I mean his community!
Anon 4:33PM you are a natural bastard to say that. Have mercy on you!
And who's calling the kettle black? How about a little self reflection before you comment? You can say it but does it have to involve vulgarity? Tim has been right all along. The JW does know how to push your buttons with the truth. Or at least allows you to have that knee jerk reaction of yours, truth or not.
For as long as AAA and his NCWs are allowed to trash our tradition and love for the Virgin, I fear we are in for another major disaster, natural or man-made. We should follow the action of the Chalan Pago Christian Mothers and rise up against the Neos who are apparently trying to destroy the very fabric of our beliefs. Do we need another super typhoons and major earthquakes to bring us to our senses? North Korea, China and Russia are lurking next door reminding us of their weapons of mass destructions. LET THE SILENT MAJORITY RISE! MORE POWER TO TIM, CCOG AND THE CHRISTIAN MOTHERS!
You are right. Let's not wait for disaster to strike before we correct the wrongdoings of the NCW here on our beloved island. Our Lady has protected us through war, natural disasters, and our daily struggles. Let's give her the honor she deserves.
I applaud the courage of the members of the Chalan Pago Christian Mothers for over-riding the edivaldo decision not to have the Lady of Fatima visit the parish, and for this I will come back to the Parish Church when my self exile ends hopefully at the end of Easter..., prayerfully by then edivaldo would have seen fit to go awol from the parish... jes of chalanpago
The NCW seems indifferent to Mary because they were probably taught that prayers to her were superstitious. How sad because Mary always points to her son as the means to salvation. The following is a quote from Diana's. The commenter was speak in regards to a non - neo Mass. I believe these sentiments apply to Mary and the rosary as well:"The church is not just full of communists and Freemasons. The church is full of superstitious ignorant people who think that if u change the mass or don't genuflect in from of the altar you are offending the deity. That is not Christianity. by all means pray. Pray and ask God for unity in the church. And then pray that he give u the gift of wisdom and understanding so that you r noy stuck in the mental closure of the person who thinks Christianity is only ritual, and the gift of discernment to distinguish between what is from God and what is from the devil."
Yep. That's pure KAKA right out of their catechism. They teach that showing respect (genuflecting) is meaningless ritual. Seriously dudes. Go start your own church and stop leaching on to ours.
maybe sometimes in the near future you might see a bunch of people standing facing a wall with a string of beads saying the list of names of their Gods or on their knees with their face to the ground and their arms stretched in front of them, do not mistake them for being Jewish or Islamist, look closely and you might see some of our neighbors and those from the Yona college of wannabe priest. jesofchalanpago
If only you knew the history of the Way. We are very grateful for our Mother. It was through Mother Mary that Kiko started the Way.
Yes. If only we knew. Feel free to tell us. And more so, tell us where the average person can find it.
Grateful? Really? Weren't you telling everyone Mama Mary is just one of us. No need to venerate her. She is just one of us.
Funny you mentioned "go start your own church". I explained to my husband about how the neos think Catholics are ignorant and superstitious because we bow and genuflect to the Blessed Sacrament and he replied: "then they are no different from a protestant who doesn't believe - they need to go start their own church"But we all know why they are sticking around. The pickings are good in these here parts - a poor excuse of a shepherd who keeps letting the wolves in the pen. Everyone wake-up! Stop being docile sheep! Stop the money! Stop the support!
Tim, is there a list that shows which churches are controlled by the NCW? As well, is there a list of the priests that are NCW? Thanks, and GOD BLESS US ALL....
The purpose of bowing or genuflecting especially in front of the tabernacle is a outward sign of respect and acknowledgement. It was done to earthly kings of the past, so why shouldn't it be done for our Heavenly King, the King of Kings? There was a stiff penalty for not doing so to earthly kings. One couldn't even turn your back to a monarch. So, why shouldn't we show our God and King the same respect? Oh yeah, I get it. The Neo king is kiko and his manly queen is Carmen. So, why bow to Jesus? I guess the Neos don't see the presider bowing/genuflecting twice during the Eucharistic prayer when the bread no longer is bread, but Jesus' body and wine no longer wine, but His blood. I guess respect for the Eucharist isn't discussed in their catechesis. Now that would make the Neos non-catholic? So, anon Feb 13 @12:05pm, what is superstitious about the act of bowing/genuflecting? I bet you do it for Archie when you kiss that ring. If you are chamorro or filipino don't you "amen" your elders? Oh I forgot, family isn't important. I guess this is what happens when most of the Neos celebrations are done outside of the church. There is no altar and tabernacle present. So, as some of the comments have stated, go start your own protestant church. I think that's why Archie likes getting land for his future church.
Is there a list of which Parish is managed or controlled by NCW? And is there also a list of which Priest/Deacon that are NCW?
Roque, all Capuchin parishes are non-neo:Agana Heights, Sinajana, Mangilao, Yona, and Talofofo. The Friary also has the Latin Mass on Sundays at 11am. Then there is Piti, Maina, Mongmong, Toto, Tumon, Dededo that are non-neo for now. Yigo, Malojloj, and Tamuning have neo communities, but they also have non-neo priest.
During the visit by AAA to Santa Barbara earlier this month, parishioners stated that they DO NOT WANT the NEO in the parish and to respect the wishes of the parishioners. AAA said he would respect that wish......We'll see, won't we.....
What about San Juan Bautista Church? I would think Msgr. David I.A. Quitugua would not stand for a NCW community in his parish.
At Raymond, the Neo got into parishes in the first place because people were hungry to learn more about their faith and the Neo offered them that. Sure it was a bait and switch, but since most Catholics know so little about their faith, most probably didn't even know they were learning Kiko's theology and not the Church's. The way to keep the Neo out of parishes is not to demand that they stay out, but to feed the hungry with the truth of the Gospel and the beautiful true teachings of our church. We just need pastors who will actually commit to it. I can bet that if any priest on this island announced he was going to host a weekly study of the catechism there wouldn't be enough seats.
ANON Feb. 17-8:19a.m. MALOJLOJ has NO Neo community..THANKYOU!
Tim, 6:08 great comment.
Fr. Paul did the Bible Timeline at Santa Barbara. He shared the Catholicism of Fr. Barron at Santa Barbara. Fr. Val did a weekly Bible Study for about three years until he had to go back to the Philippines.
And we are glad that there are such occasions to learn more about our faith. Unfortunately though, this sort of makes the point. Such opportunities are neither ongoing nor are they systematic. To the neos credit, their catechesis is both. But then we should not be surprised that those who are bent on dishonesty are willing to work harder than the rest of us. Recall the parable of the unjust steward Luke 16:1-13. Once upon a time, we could expect our catechetical needs to be fed through our families and through the very sacrality of worship, not to mention well-formed sermons. We could even count on the arts, music, architecture, paintings, stained glass, etc. to lift, educate, and ennoble our faith. But we have come through a half-century of desert and we can count on none of these things anymore. Kiko saw his opportunity and took it, bending the church to his ends. And for the most part we have only responded with complaints.
AAA stands for Archbishop Anthony Apuron and Archdiocese Annual Appeal. Is there a difference? They are not even hiding it from us. AAA is AAA.