Saturday, October 3, 2015


J. Bautista seems to be struggling here. Let's help him out.

By the way John, it's been five days now and I have been waiting for you to "contact" me "for a response." But nothing.

But back to your "question." Permit me to help you out.  

The question is one of Authority, not whether one walks in the NCW or attends the Latin Mass. 

The authority to celebrate the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite (the Latin Mass) comes, as it should, from a public papal decree, the Moto Proprio, Summorum Pontificum, given by Pope Benedict XVI, July 7, 2007.

Prior to this document, a limited indult was twice given by Pope John Paul II Quattuor abhinc annos (1984) and Ecclesia Dei (1988). Pope Benedict further clarified the intentions of Summorum Pontificum in the instruction Universae Ecclesiae (2011).

In addition, the celebration of the Extraordinary Form is governed by The Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei and is personally and publicly celebrated by the president of the commission for all to see. 

As regards the celebration of the Eucharist in the Neocatechumenal Way, the Authority is the 2008 Statute for the Neocatechumenal Way, which in Article 13 admits three exceptions:
  1. Movement of the Rite of Peace to before the Offertory.
  2. Reception of Holy Communion under both species.
  3. Communicants remain in their place, standing to receive. 
The Statute makes no distinction between reception and consumption of the sacred species, and barring said distinction, the default practice is what is required by the Liturgical Books: the host is to be consumed "as soon as" it is received (GIRM 161).

This instruction was made necessary due to the many abuses to the sacred host after communion in the hand was permitted - the primary abuse being the separation of reception from consumption.

The communicant who receives communion in the hand is to place the sacred host in his or her mouth immediately upon reception and consume it. Not to do this is to turn the reception of Holy Communion into two separate acts, thus effecting the forbidden practice of administering communion to oneself or self-communicating.

The communicant, including the extraordinary minister, is never allowed to self-communicate, even by means of intinction. Communion under either form, bread or wine, must always be given by an ordinary or extraordinary minister of Holy Communion. - Norms For The Distribution And Reception Of Holy Communion Under Both Kinds In The Dioceses Of The United States Of America and Inaestimabile Donum - Instruction Concerning Worship of the Eucharistic Mystery

Yet, this is precisely how the Neocatechumenal Way communicants receive communion. They separate reception from consumption, and thus self-communicate. What's more they sit down with the sacred host still in their hands. (There is also the additional abuse of the celebrant NOT receiving his own communion at the required time: BEFORE the distribution of holy communion to the others present.)

As one can see from all the documents relative to the restoration of the Traditional Latin Mass, the Church takes great care to officially safeguard the celebration of the Eucharist and to prevent ambiguities and confusion, especially since the Eucharist is the source and summit of our Faith. Permitting a variance to the very heart of the Eucharist - the reception of Jesus Christ, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity - is the LAST thing our Church would ever permit to happen via how your own "Diana" describes:

So you see, John, both Forms of the Roman Rite (Ordinary and Extraordinary) are authorized and governed by the highest authorities of the Church, and officially and publicly so. Meanwhile the form of the "Mass" which you attend is authorized and governed by Pius who heard it from Kiko who says he heard it from the Pope and unofficially and NOT publicly so. 

In the Catholic Church which the rest of us belong to, NOTHING relative to the governance of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is hidden or transmitted privately. But then maybe that's the problem. For Kiko, there is NO Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. There is only his flower table and happy meal. How sick that we have a bishop who has submitted himself to this trash. 


  1. i can relate in this matter. i work with a person who is catholic and is also a lay person ( did i get that right? ). who talks about how he is against the way and what it represents. And at the same time with the same arrogance, the manipulation, the lying, cheating, disrespect, basically acts the same way he describes the neos, he conducts his business with those same concepts. But then again tells people to do what is right... for a person in a position of power and authority, but not knowledge remember knowledge is unlimited. not one person can know everything, the rules change everyday and tim knows a thing or two about this. so a person with power and authority, do i have to agree? no... respect? it is earned not given, but us as individuals, do we have to follow the leader? if the leader is wrong we can try to help the leader understand, but he is stuck in his ways of what he knows/does not know (knowledge). Then at this point we do the right thing. we respect people and what they practice, if that were the case we would be knocking down other religions and chasing them out. so to tell you this tim i agree with everything you are doing, i am a concerned catholic. but at the same time im concerned for the concerned also. they to need to practice what they preach or we may not get the justice we are seeking. if all you want to do is sit in with the jurors box to shout guilty, then maybe you need to reassess your faith. tim, the ccog and all those involve with the intentions of reuniting the church etc. are headed in the right direction. so i'll keep you all in my prayers, and remember god is a good. and thank you all.

    1. Just keep in mind that there are many of us who are not rushing to judgement but have seen the problem develop over many years and know exactly what we are criticizing.

  2. John,

    Since you insist on an answer, I submit the following, and it is not on the basis of my self righteousness, but in defense of the truth that our baptism obligates us to stand up for, and as a sign of opposition to your cults insulting and lack of respect to that which we hold very sacred and Holy in our One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.

    Please understand that You are free to practice your faith and rituals as you please, however we are concerned that your NCW doctrines, practices and rituals not be an ifluence to our children who we have no wishes to be indoctrinated in the NCW rituals and practices, and if the NCW does not believe in what the Catholic Church teaches, the Church herself recommends that perhaps they should not receive the Sacraments that we hold Holy and Sacred. Perhaps holding your rituals and practices in separate locations is the answer.

    Since Kiko, hence the NCW questions the relevance of the church councils since Constantine to Vatican II; we question your cults belief on the Holy Trinity, since the doctrine of the Trinity was explicated in the Nicean-Constantinopalitan councils, the very Nicene Creed that we recite today at every Sunday Mass, which your sect denies. We also understand that eventual disbelief in the Trinity lead to the denial of the Divinity of Jesus, as there is evidence that your cult’s professors teach that Jesus is a sinner.

    If Jesus is a sinner then his sacrifice cannot possibly atone for your sins and all humanity, simply since our faith teaches that sin against an infinite God is an infinite offense that can only be atoned for by an infinite, unblemished sacrifice, so a blemished lamb will simply not suffice. Could this also be the source of denial by your cult that the Holy Sacrifice of the mass is not really a sacrifice, even after the apostle to the gentiles testifies; “For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup you proclaim the death of the Lord until he comes again” (1Corint11:26) is this perhaps also the reason that Kiko, (NCW) believes that man is 0+sin, that the dignity of man created by God in his image and likeness, and who God testified after doing so said “It is very Good”, is nothing but a pile of dung, masked by the righteousness of Jesus? This protestant teaching denies the Salvific actions of the Sacraments of Baptism and Penance and their abilities as we believe in the church to wash away or remit sin as promised by Christ in these Sacraments, or the responsibility of man to account for his or her personal sin, since this is an inherent side effect of the “Free Will” given to us by God.

    These few points are not just miniscule doctrinal differences, but define the Catholicity and Christianity of our Faith given to us by God, as they are Dogmas in the church. God’s revealed truth, Apostolic because they are handed down to us by the Church throughout history, and because they are Dogmas, they cannot change, because God who gave them to us cannot change. He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.

  3. Mr. Bautista, Grow Up. Be man enough to accept the fact that the persecution you are referring exists on the minds of the followers of Kiko. It only gives you a false sense of well being. Now you can go running to Pius and show him that you are standing up to the oppressive Catholics. Wake up and smell the hibiscus. The dreams of Kiko, Apuron and Pius to convert Guam has now turned into a total disaster that will force Rome to take a longer look at your Sect and practices. After all you are going the way of other heresies; a footnote in history. The only one who wins is Kiko who has amass millions and millions of dollars . Apuron will go down in shame. The Holy Spirit is well and alive and will protect The Church.