Everyone has their liver in a quiver . May is predicting Tim will be sued by Edivaldo for defamation. Excuse me, OJ defamed himself with is big mouth. Defamation of character done deal. Shot himself in the foot and tried to say he tore Achilles' tendon. Got this memo, May?
This points to a problem of discernment. Celibacy is a gift freely given when a man decides to serve the people of God, but it is still a constant struggle. The urge to serve the people must always be stronger than the urge to serve yourself.When the NCW has their altar calls, it is a very emotional moment, where an individual feels this great calling. But when the calling comes from an amplifier and inspirational talk instead of from within the heart, the struggle can more easily lead to a falling in the call to celibacy.Also, I have personally observed in my own parish, that the NCW seminarians are never allowed to go anywhere on their own. It is a check and balance system they have in place which seems to indicate they do not trust their seminarians. "If someone is watching me, I am less likely to fall" type of mentality. However, once again, if a person cannot regulate their morality on their own without a human monitor by their side, this seems to indicate that a deep calling from the heart has yet to happen. And what happens when the man is finally ordained a priest and is forced to be on his own?In my own seminary experience, while our time was regulated, and we could not always go off-site when we wanted, when permission was granted we did not always have to have a chaperone. I think this two-by-two mentality, as a basis to keep tabs of these men, is a terrible disservice to their discernment process.All priests struggle with celibacy, but we manage when our prayer life is strong and our calling is authentic. I hope this makes sense.
It does. Because the call to vocation and the struggle to remain faithful is the same for us who sacramentally marry. At some point one has to grow up. The RMS product is horribly immature on all levels. There's a reason. They are only needed for currency in Kiko's buyout of bishops and access to power.
If indeed these young men are lured to "develop" vocations based on kiko's quota in order to have access to power in church, then they are severely misled. If some of them have a genuine desire to serve the Church as priests, kiko has squelched this desire for his own ends. I have always wondered whether brother tony has participated in a most heinous crime of discouraging local vocations to the priesthood, but now it seems clear that he also facilitated the grave injustice of not allowing these young men from NCW to fully and freely discern the gift of vocation. Granted, that there are some who may have jumped the bandwagon for selfish reasons, I worry about the ones with authentic and pure motivation to serve God. If they are not being allowed the opportunity to grow holistically due to the pressures of NCW, those who are placed in charge of their care will have to answer for their negligence.
Perhaps one of the problems is that discernment to the Sacrament of Orders for these NCW presbyters is done within their respective community, where most other seminarians discern the call to Holy Orders with the Church, living a life of intense prayer, spiritual direction from clergy, all the while living a life of celibacy. Judging from the testimony of several NCW seminarians, It appears that these young men are rushed from a life of worldly living to immediately discerning that they are being called to seminary life, Not to say that God is unable to work miracles on people, We question if this is truly the calling of the Holy Spirit when we see the results of these ill formed presbyters, who are unable to speak clear english, deliver the Gospel reading clearly, or give a good homily, all important in nourishing the faithful with the word of God. Since the Sacrament of Orders was entrusted by our Lord to the Church, It is the church that these seminarians should be discerning with to determine if the calling is from the Holy Spirit. Not the Communities or Guiseppe, or Kiko.
Yes, it does make one wonder about the discernment process within the NCW. In the average US Catholic seminary, only about 1/6 of the men who enter seminary achieve ordination. That is part of the discernment process - to weed out those who are not suited to be priests. Are the NCW seminarians allowed to leave if they decide the priesthood is not for them? Do they have anything to fall back on as far as education and family if they leave? Do they have money and a passport to leave?Perhaps they find the type of priesthood they signed up for with the NCW is not for them. Can they switch to another type of priesthood? (Leave the NCW, but still remain a priest in another capacity) Or perhaps after ordination, they discern that although their faith is strong, they made the wrong decision to become a priest for many assorted reasons. Can they request a voluntary laicization? Did they even learn about laicization in their formation process? Will the NCW leaders allow them to petition for one? Or will the NCW leaders sequester them away somewhere without the ability to petition? Would a NCW priest considering leaving be switched to a NCW bishop who would not sign off on a voluntary laicization or could the priest be moved to some isolated region? To me it seems the presbyter’s statement that once a priest always a priest, could very well be true in his case. The man may very well did not feel he had any other options in life. Yes, the priest mentioned could be a “bad apple” or he could be a valuable prisoner of the NCW. Domus Galilaeae seems to be a NCW stronghold to subdue disobedient NCW priests. Either way the priest needs our prayers.
The discernment process is a very serious and important aspect of the Sacrament of Orders as in the Catholic Church this sacrament is perpetual, and can only be administered once. These candidates participate in the priesthood of Jesus Christ, "They are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek", Trying to decide after the fact is haphazard and careless, and results in some the prybyters we see emerging from RMS.
I will pray for these half baked presbyters; but will be the first to object if he is assigned to my parish. After this battle is resolved; we hope and pray that they take their discernment to another location away from the Pacific Islands. If not; let them build their own church.
Dear Chuck White,this is an aside from your latest post, but I'm wondering if you are able to shed any light on the "Covenant Dinner" or Covenant Meal" that the NCW conduct for those about to complete the "Way", or those that have completed it (I know no-one ever actually completes it...)There is huge secrecy around this event, and I wonder why, and what it is meant to signify?thanks in advance.
Heard Archbishop say Putrid finished and was on his honeymoon. Yup, it's true!
Yes, Anon @ 10:33 PM, that's what it is called, a "honeymoon". A honeymoon in Jerusalem. "Il Viaggio Di Nozze" in Italian. I've been provided a description of the 10 day trip to Jerusalem and its environs, complete with a re-enactment of the raising of Lazarus! My source tells of a special feast held at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem on the ninth night of the trip. And don't forget the milk and honey consumed by the Elect during the Easter Season!
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