Monday, July 18, 2016


By LaPaz, Jungle Watch correspondent from Spain.

I was just waiting for her answer after my first post about Neocatechumenal's "not allowed" Rosary prayer. I have noticed I just was looking for it in the wrong place. It did not deserve a new entry. Just a few words in a lost commentary (sorry, in a last commentary).

"The NCW members were never told not to pray the rosary (sic). What they teach us in the Way is HOW to pray. They taught us HOW to pray just as the Carmelites and religious were taught to pray at 3:00 am every day".

I see. Talking about the non-prohibited Rosary requires that wonderful precision of HOW instead of WHAT must be prayed in the Way. Because the Way considers the method over the content. It's right.


The form over the sustance. The very important thing is not to pray, but how to pray. Of course. As well as for neocatechumenals the most important of the Sacred Sacrament of Mass is not Jesus's Sacrifice but HOW the remembrance is done: the party.

And we could apply the same reasoning for all. The Neocatechumenal difference consists in changing catholic standards in their neo HOW.

For NCW founders, HOW is important because it is the part of the being which could be seen by us. HOW is more related to experience than with the concept. HOW refers to doing or making, refers to our senses. We are able to feel the HOW by smelling, tasting, watching...

That is why in the Way you need to have a lot of flowers over the table for Eucharist, to stay singing or talking or dancing. That is why Kiko loves intuition over rationalism. That is why in the Way they do have the words "in my experience" in mouth all time. For them, faith is a sensitivity matter. And that is why Kiko focuses esthetic over "non esthetic" questions. His love for Liturgy maybe is a manifestation of his love for those elements which bomb his eyes, ears, nose and tongue. Grace is different, it is a matter of spirit. Too much "upper".

Kiko is an artist, I know. Kiko teaches to live an extra-motivated faith. A normal mass is quite boring for him. It does not say anything for him. And some similar reason might be hidden in the Rosary. It is quite repetitive, quite poor in creativity. Neocatechumenal deserve more fuel. They deserve to pray exactly as monks and nuns and priests. Oh, wait!: they will pray as religious and consecrated should do and don't obey. Neocatechumenals are those "super-lays" who pray for devotion what those religious maybe do not pray as obligation.

Neocat voicer in Guam tells us they pray every day at 3 a.m. 
Every day, really? 

Not every day, D.

Neocatechumenals do not pray every day at 3 a.m. Ever if you were close to finish the Way, D., you will not do it EACH day.

You know it only happens occasionally, which in your neocatechumenal language is called "to broke the night": from time when you go asleep until time you wake up, just in the middle, occasionally you are told to wake up, put on your knees and pray "Jesus, son of David, get compassion of me, I am a sinner". This is a filocalia. Kiko joined a movement called Ruedas de Energía-Filocalías (Wheels of Energy-Filocalias) in Spain for a little time, just at the same time he was developing the Way in its first years. He was picking up things from different groups and organizations. He has not been inspired to invent all he says.

Anyway I would like not to steal you the illusion of becoming a "super-catholic" by clarifying you do not pray every day at 3 a.m. Indeed, you will be. Maybe the only time you will go to sleep when you finish the Way will be at 3 a.m., and just for a while because, during Advent and Lent you should stay at 6 a.m. in your parish to pray Laudes, before going to work, considering you will have had to stay in a neo celebration til maybe 2 a.m. in a brother or sister's home, or maybe in the parish as well. Absolutely for "super-men" and "super-women" who usually can not afford Kiko and Carmen's style of life.

In the other hand, I do not belive you pray as Carmelites and religious even when sporadically you have to wake up some nights at 3 a.m. They have done some vows. You don't. They have choosen their way of life by their informed freedom. You don't. You have never been informed clearly of all the things you will have to do along the Way. So, there is not a free election based on an informed freedom.

I think "super-catholics" are not made of "super-man" or "super-woman" nature. I did never belive Mother Theresa was any "super". By contrast, maybe she was too human and she accepted she depends on too much God's Grace.

There is a second part of your comments I want to underline, but I will keep it for later.
Have a nice two-half night! (here it is 23:49 p.m.)

By Mordillo


  1. Good morning La Paz. Thank you for the insights into Kiko's twisted theology.

    In the WAY "formulae", like ritual incantations, leaves the "subjects" emotionally energized (trance). The Kiko Joy. (All the noise).

    It appears that in Kiko's world there is no room for "inner peace" and meditation. Gregorian chant would be an anathema to Kiko.

  2. If the NCW does not hold the highest form of prayer, The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass in high esteem, it is not surprising that it does not encourage the beautiful contemplative prayer of the Rosary. If only they understand that this is a form of "Lectio Davina" and that the Rosary in itself are meditations of Scripture they will have a different appreciation of this prayer. The Lord's Prayer in itself was taught to us by our Lord himself to pray often? What human originated prayer conceived by Kiko or the NCW can ever compare to it? Friends, Pray your rosaries often, It is these devotions that bnds us closer to our God, and Our Blessed Mother, who Christ Loves beyond human understanding..

  3. as religious, carmelites are called upon to pray the Divine Office (liturgy of the hours) every day. i believe the friars and nuns pray five of the hours of the office. on the other hand, the secular (lay) discalced carmelites (ocds) are obliged only to pray morning and evening prayer, and also night prayer (compline) if able, in addition to a minimum of 30 minutes of silent prayer (meditation). because it is a marian order, praying the rosary is also highly recommended, as is Mass during the week. these are all written in the rules of the order, and according to the liturgical books of the Church. no secrets there.

    how about if neocats just did what the rest of the Church does in its prayer life?

  4. Carmelites pray seven hours of the liturgy of the Hours. The Neo nuts add on rising at three for the Neo nuns. Saint Teresa specifically did NOT want her nuns to rise at three because it made for a difficult day to be so tired. That , Neo nuts , is what we call common sense. Saw online the Neo Nuns from Guam will be going from NJ to Putrids homeland Malta. Btw, folks, no such thing as Neo Nuns. Sorry. Getting up at three? Nope.

  5. LaPaz, read this again because you missed it. If you don't see what you missed I'll come back and tell you.

    "The NCW members were never told not to pray the rosary (sic). What they teach us in the Way is HOW to pray. They taught us HOW to pray just as the Carmelites and religious were taught to pray at 3:00 am every day"

    1. 11:54 PM - Why do you need to be taught "How To Pray"? Prayer is between you and God so I am confused! And why pray at 3:00 am every day? Do I believe that everyone NEO prays at 3:00 am every day - I do not think so! I pray all day long and whenever I need too! The (sic) sort of gives you away though! ;0)

    2. 7:32 am - Why are you confused? How did you know there was a God? Did someone teach you about God? I hope these questions help you.

      Also, the statement does not say NCW members pray at 3 am everyday, it says Carmelites and religious do.

    3. 10:23 PM - I guess I should write in the simplest of the English language so you can understand what I am trying to say.

      AnonymousJuly 18, 2016 at 11:54 PM wrote: "LaPaz, read this again.blah.blah.blah - "The NCW members were never told not to pray the rosary (sic). What they teach us in the Way is HOW to pray. They taught us HOW to pray just as the Carmelites and religious were taught to pray at 3:00 am every day".

      I am not confused about my religion. I was baptized Roman Catholic, attended Saturday CCD, attended Catholic Schools, received all the Sacraments, attended EVERY Sunday Mass (up to this week), and worked in a Catholic School, so, Yes, I do know there is a God! Your questions did not make any sense to me.

      "They taught us HOW to pray just as the Carmelites and religious were taught to pray at 3:00 am every day". - If you are taught HOW to pray just as the Carmelites and religion pray at 3:00 am every day, then what do you mean that the statement does not say NCW members pray at 3 am every day? If the words "3:00 am every day" was not added, then my interpretation would be that you are following what the Carmelites and religion do. What one writes is intrepreted differently and I am of the understanding that you were taught to pray at 3 am everyday. Case Closed!

    4. @5:21 am - No need to write in simplest of English language, but your reading and comprehension does need to improve. Let me break down the part of the statement you are missing.

      "They taught us how to pray, just as the Carmelites and religious were taught to pray at 3 am everyday."

      This sentence is saying that "They" were taught how to pray. It also says that the Carmelites and religious were taught to pray at 3 am everyday. The two were both "taught," one to pray and the other to pray at 3 am everyday.

  6. Thanks for your work from Spain.


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