Thursday, February 27, 2014


One of the most amusing aspects of this "conversation" is the neo-panic for validation as evidenced by the re-posting of every possible photo-op with the pope and crowned by a pic of JPII celebrating Mass at their neo-Galilee headquarters back in the 90's, albeit certainly not with the unapproved anomalies they employ when the pope's not around. The most recent example of this was the gleeful scrambling to construct a canonization of the NCW because a recently appointed bishop had once attended one of their seminaries.  

Amusing, too, is the common attempt to cast the celebration of the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite (otherwise known as the Traditional Latin Mass) as a similarly anomalous rendering of the "eucharist", and the regular attendees as a "group" co-equal to theirs. 


One, notice that the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite is a FORM of the Roman Rite. The neo-eucharist, insofar as it departs from that which is allowed as an exception in your Statute, is NOT a FORM of the Roman Rite, but a Kiko-constructed liturgical aberration. 

Two, the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite is the ancient form of the Mass, the "Mass of all ages", declared as always sacred and "never abrogated" by Pope Benedict in Summorum Pontificum. For the record SP is a document issued "Moto Proprio" which is defined as a document issued "from the Pope on his own initiative, and not in response to a request or at the initiative of others. Its legal determinations carry the full force of papal authority." 

NOTE: the NCW Statute approved by Rome was "in response to a request or at the initiative of others." In the ranking of papal actions, it carries zero weight for the universal church, and is only a specific and limited license for those who subscribe to it or clerics who employ it. By contrast Summorum Pontificum, especially since it addressed the very "source and summit" of our faith, was a magisterial document of the highest order and was addressed and applicable to the universal church. 

Third, in his accompanying letter to the bishops, released with SP, Pope Benedict directed the bishops to recognize that "What earlier generations held as sacred, remains sacred and great for us too," and that far from merely allowing or licensing the celebration of this liturgy, the Pope directs the bishops throughout the world to give this Mass its "proper place." That's quite a bit different than the liturgical variances allowed for in the neo-eucharist, not to mention the liberties taken which are not allowed. 

But just for the heck of it, since the NCW likes to drop names and note the number of bishops who support them or who have celebrated the eucharist with them, we here note that since the elevation of Francis to the papacy, 84, that's EIGHTY-FOUR, bishops and cardinals, have celebrated the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite, that's the "TLM" for those who say those letters with a sneer. 

They are:

Cardinal Barbarin, Archbishop of Lyon, France
Cardinal Bartolucci, Italy (+ 2013)
Cardinal Brandmüller, Germany
Cardinal Burke, Prefect of the Apostolic Signatura, U.S.
Cardinal Castrillón Hoyos, Colombia
Cardinal DiNardo, Archbishop of Galveston-Houston, USA
Cardinal Sandoval, Archbishop Emeritus of Guadalajara, Mexico
Cardinal Zen, Bishop of Hong Kong, People's Republic of China
Titular Archbishop Pozzo of Bagnoregio, secretary of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia The, Italy
Archbishop Coleridge of Brisbane, Australia
Archbishop Negri of Ferrara, Italy
Titular Archbishop Bacqué of Gradisca and emeritus Apostolic Nuncio, France
Archbishop Aquila of Denver, USA 
Archbishop Arguelles of Lipa, Philippines
Archbishop Kurtz of Louisville, chairman of the American Bishops' Conference, USA
Archbishop Leonard of Mechelen-Brussels, Belgium
Archbishop Carre of Montpellier, France
Archbishop Suárez Inda of Morelia, Mexico
Archbishop McMahon of Nottingham, UK [Corr. Reader informs that HE's actually a bishop.]
Archbishop Lucas of Omaha, United States
Archbishop Prendergast of Ottawa, Canada
Archbishop Wintzer of Poitiers, France
Archbishop Sample from Portland, United States
Archbishop Cordileone of San Francisco, USA
Archbishop Goh Seng Chiye of Singapore, Singapore
Archbishop Aubertin of Tours, France
Archbishop Crepaldi of Trieste, Italy
Archbishop Haas of Vaduz, Liechtenstein
Archbishop Miller from Vancouver, Canada
Archbishop Brown, Apostolic Nuncio for Ireland
Bishop of Aire y Gaschignard Dax, France
Herbreteau Bishop of Agen, France
Bishop of Germay from Ajaccio, France
Bishop Zdarsa of Augsburg, Germany
Bishop Benoit-Gonnin of Beauvois-Noyon-Senlis, France
Bishop Caggiano of Bridgeport, USA
Bishop Jugis of Charlotte, USA
Bishop Pansard of Chartres, France
Bishop Huonder of Chur, Switzerland
Bishop Livieres of Ciudad del Este, Paraguay
Bishop Foys of Covington, United States
Bishop Rey of Frejus -Toulon, France
Bishop Finn of Kansas City, USA.
Bishop Delville of Liege, Belgium
Bishop Kalist of Limoges, France
Bishop Conley Lincoln, USA
Bishop Hying of Milwaukee, USA
Bishop Jarrett of Lismore, Australia
Bishop Casts of Luçon, France
Bishop Libaschi of Manchester, USA
Bishop Ginoux of Montauban, France
Bishop Madega of Mouila, Gabon
Bishop Serra setting of Paterson, USA
Bishop Parkes of Pensacola-Tallahassee, United States
Bishop Egan of Portsmouth, United Kingdom
Bishop Lebrun of Saint Etienne, France
Bishop Administrator Áreas RIFAN the Apostolic Administrion San Juan María Vianney Brazil
Bishop Tardelli of San Miniato, Italy
Bishop Davies of Shrewsbury, United Kingdom
Bishop Bartulis of Siauliai, Lithuania
Bishop Paprocki of Springfield, USA
Bishop Slattery of Tulsa, USA
Bishop Aumonier of Versailles, France
Bishop Schneider from Astana, Kazakhstan
Bishop Perry of Chicago, U.S.
Bishop Reiss of Detroit, USA
Bishop Hanchon Auxiliary Bishop of Detroit, USA
Bishop Gutierrez Valencia from Guadalajara, Mexico
Bishop González González from Guadalajara, Mexico
Bishop Gleisner Wobbe of La Serena, Chile
Bishop Martínez Camino of Madrid, Spain
Bishop Elliot of Melbourne, Australia
Bishop Beau of Paris, France
Auxiliary Bishop of Porto Pino Castillo Viejo, Ecuador
Bishop Costa Souza of Rio of Janeiro, Brazil
Bishop Lajos from Vac, Hungary
Auxiliary Bishop César Costa of Sao Sebastiao do Rio of Janeiro, Brazil
Em Military Bishop Baseotto of Argentina
Em Meeking Bishop of Christchurch, New Zealand
Em Dick Bishop of Cologne, Germany
Em Giovannetti Bishop of Fiesole, Italy
Em Bishop of Funchal Faria, Portugal
Em Bishop Bruskewitz of Lincoln, USA
Em Bishop Timlin of Scranton, USA


  1. Yes. Waited all day. Only crickets.

  2. Apparently too many big words in this post for our opponents. Or is it too many bishops and cardinals? Probably both.

  3. You keep beating them at their own game. Hence my "/crickets" prediction.
    Their tactics may work on some, but not to those properly formed and learned. They have underestimated you, Chuck and all the other good people on this site who have been expertly exposing the manipulating rhetoric of the Neo.
    Thank you for providing this forum for us!

    1. You are welcome, but "beating them" is not going to matter. Satan never sleeps. The weeds will grow with the wheat....for now.

  4. Why is Abp. Arguelles promoting automatic writing "prophecies" of Vassula Ryden? Imprimatur...Is Arguelles an NCW minion? Signed, Clueless on Cleveland Thanks!