Monday, May 12, 2014

GUAM: I FRUTTI (SEMPER MARCI) DEL CAMMINO


Looks like our story is being picked up in Italy.

You'll need to open it in Google Chrome and translate to English (it's in Italian), or use some other translation method...if you don't speak Italian. Italy, by the way, is the country with the largest number of NCW communities, and also the the largest number of anti-NCW websites and blogs.

http://neocatecumenali.blogspot.com/2014/05/guam-i-frutti-sempre-marci-del-cammino.html

25 comments:

  1. Tim Rohr will be appearing in the Italian, British, Irish catholic media in the coming days.

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  2. Someone somewhere with detailed knowledge of the internal dynamics of Guam is proclaiming Tim Rohr in Europe. Tim Rohr may well know who this person. Is.

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    1. "Proclaiming"? Perhaps a translation problem. Reporting on what I am reporting on is about it. But I have no idea who it might be. Pope Francis?

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  3. This is baloney. All this stuff you show in Italy are hate group that hate about the Catholic Church who are Marxism. Mother Angelica who also support Kiko Arguello, again hate that brew all your heart from Gofigan.

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    1. WHEEEEEE! That was funnnn!

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    2. By the way, only your side uses the word "hate".

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    3. But your side shows it.

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    4. Umm, yah, we are the Judases, remember. According to Kiko we're supposed to hate you.

      "Finally, there is a third circle, a third group of brothers and sisters, those who live a lie, who have always lied to themselves. They are those in whom Satan acts, enslaving them. Not necessarily because they are wicked, or due to any fault of their own, but perhaps for some reason or other that we will not investigate...This mission is very important because, without Judas, there is no Paschal Mystery of Jesus Christ. If you are called to be Jesus Christ, you must have your Judas. Each of you here will have your hour. Your life is in function of assuming an hour...All Christians are called by God to take on this hour. When that day arrives, these people will have the mission of killing you, of destroying you." - Catechetical Directory for Teams of Catechists Vol. 1.

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    5. So be thankful and stop complaining.

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    6. Obviously English is not your strong point. But one point: you accuse this group for being marxist, while at the same time one of your cohorts accuse them to be far right and even facist.....which one is it?.... May be somebody should ask Kiko since he is an expert on both.
      (having been a marxist atheist, before supporting Franco and his facists backers)......Frankly you should stay out of the jungle, because the more time you spend here, the more you give us arguments against you.......have a great week.

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  4. Well even you don't use the word, the tone of your message say's it all. Mockery serves you well. Surely well deserve to be a saint.

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    1. There you go folks. An example of a saint. But yes. I HATE injustice. And what the Archbishop did to Fr. Paul (in your behalf) was not just injustice, it was EVIL. And I will FIGHT it! Got it?

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    2. RE: Anonymous May 12, 2014 at 3:34 PM

      Did not the prophet Elijah mock the priests of the pagan god Baal when he challenged them to show proof that their beliefs were superior to his and failed utterly?

      That sounds familiar; just replace "pagan" with "Neo" and "Baal" with "Kiko". You have the opinions of a former atheist and a nun who quit her vocation. We have the teachings of Christ passed down through His Church over 2000 years. But by all means, as Elijah said to the false believers of then (and as we say to the false believers now): "Cry louder!"

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  5. Interesting article. Obviously with more to come since they will cover the illegal removal of Father Gofigan later. Obviously our contacts in Spain and Italy are starting to wake up. This can only snowball. The more light is being shade the more virulent the stooges of the way will be. The personal attacks will become more vicious. Keep in mind that it means we are getting closer to the truth being revealed. The more the kikos scream and spit at us, the stronger we get.
    I hope the Google translation is good enough for most to understand the huge help this represent for the greater good of our church on Guam.
    As I don't need translation, I can tell you this was extremely well written and it summarized our situation well for people on the outside.

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    1. Welcome back, Frenchie! I have missed your comments. Thank you for your insightful contributions!

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  6. As per Diana's post....the Team Catechist assist and guide the Archbishop! Notice the word "GUIDE"....so does the Archbishop need to be guided by Team Catechists? Doesn't he consult with his clergy? He is the shepherd who should be guiding, not a bunch of lay catechists who take directives from Kiko.

    In no way is the above saying that the hierarchy of the Catholic Church changed. In no way is the above also putting the Team Catechist above the Archbishop. In the first place, the Statutes was NEVER referring to the hierarchy of the Catholic Church, but the opponents of the Way mislead others into thinking that it does. According to the Statutes, the Way is under the jurisdiction and direction of the Archbishop, and he is assisted and guided by Team Catechists. The term "direction" in here is understood "as the jurisdiction proper to ordained ministers", while the term "guidance" is understood to mean "as the technical knowledge of the Way according to the lines proposed by the initiators." ( These quotes in blue were taken from the Statutes.)

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  7. It is all good. But I would be careful a bit with the Italian religious right. These folks in Europe can be very racial and biased against different colors, including Pacific Islanders. In Apuron they might not see a corrupt Kiko, but a corrupt Chamorro. They perceive Guam as an Asian slum in their minds. You see what I mean? Even fascism was invented by Benito Mussolini, an Italian politician, who later became the Duce. He was extremely Catholic, but in a white European manner.

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    1. You have to stretch pretty far to go there. Most of what they write is a direct reporting from what has been posted here. Nothing of right or left.

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    2. Mussolini wasn't catholic, but an atheist. He just used religion for his purposes.

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  8. Congratulations Tim! Aside from the similar situations other Dioceses are in, I believe the reason JungleWatch is so popular is because of Tim's integrity. Everything is presented with factual evidence for readers to deduce themselves the right and wrong of it all.

    I know how busy and full your life must be, but thank you for shining the light in the darkness.

    My prayers go out to you and your family.

    Ria Camacho

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  9. To anonymous at 8.29: your poorly veiled attempt to discredit this article, by grossly and inaccurately linking it to: a) "the far right" and b) Mussolini is so grossly over the top, that it makes you sound as a left leaning atheist, like the ones easily found in Italy and/or Spain.
    Oops.... may be there is a pattern here?
    To think that Chammorros would be so uneducated, as to not ferret out this kind of nonsense, is insulting and frankly racist.

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  10. Oh yeah, Frenchie, you know everything, don't you? I did not say anything about Tim's post, which is right at the target, but about the people who responded and populate this Italian blog. It is a mixture of diverse political views, I believe Tim when he says it is a wide spectrum of views, where both right and left are present.
    It is a particularly tricky situation in Italy with the religious right, where Alessandra Mussolini for example, the granddaughter of Benito, a prominent female politician is dividing the Catholic Church by supporting gay rights. She also said Romanians are all criminals because their skin is darker than the skin of the Italian people.
    But you see the same thing in Spain, Kiko's home country, where the front line inside the church is not neo or not neo, but other issues like female ordination, gay union and abortion rights. These are the same Spaniards who came to evangelize Guam and then eliminated most of the male Chamorro population in bloody wars. Did not they do the same thing in America with the native Indians?
    Or look at France where the late Catholic Le Pen's daughter is more popular in politics than her father ever was. The anti immigrant sentiment is brewing. Where are the French Catholics standing in this chaos? Of course, both right and left as in every country... But, do you think they would like more Pacific Islanders in their country?
    Or in Austria, which is perhaps the most Catholic country of all, a bearded lady is the ultimate pop icon, who even won the best singer title for all Europe at the Eurovision Music Festival. I don't know if this person is male or female, but the same folks already draw pictures of the Lord Jesus with make-up and ear ring. My goodness!
    Where would this big mess around the Catholic faith in Europe lead us in the future? Do you have any idea? It is not only neo or not neo, although this is part of the problem, of course. Have you thought about this in this wider context, dear Frenchie?

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    1. I am permitting your reply to Frenchie to be posted out of fairness. However, as much as I agree with you about the issues you note, this is straying far afield from our present battle, which for us, is still primarily local, even though the Way is causing similar problems throughout the world. The real problem has been the same problem, Satan, seeing an opening in the weak and confused leadership of the post-conciliar church, once again attacking the bride of Christ from within. While the Kiko's pretend to carry the banner of orthodoxy, they forfeit that orthodoxy simply by their refusal to conform to their own norms, a refusal that evinces a well hidden heterodoxy. It is how Satan has always moved. His proposal always appears as "fruit".

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    2. I would not call Satan at once, but I see your point. Vatican II allowed the liberals to come forward and make advances in the church hierarchy. This has its consequences, including the guitar masses and the erosion of the liturgical discipline. Not mentioning a general decline in morals and norms. Under this influence we see the Neocatechumenals to flourish. I don't think it is possible to stop them. At least not until a next Big Council would undo the liberal excesses of Vatican II... ?

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    3. As I respect Tim's decision to not deviate from the initial subject, I will make it short and to the point. I will also demonstrate this is not an argument in a vaccum.
      No, I do not know everything, hence my lifelong continuation for further knowledge. As my avatar might have told you, I hail from France, the Catalan part of it, with numerous cousins and relatives on the Spanish side, but also with a side of my family originating from Piedmont and Val d'Aosta. So at my advanced age and thanks to my continued search for truth, I have made a little headway in weeding out the venom of Satan and his stooges. Your argumentation is nothing but the copy/paste of the secular, Free Masons, and historically revisionist expression of the official left leaning medias that pervade Europe and are profoundly anti-Catholic. Under the guise of "human rights movement" this school of thought has attempted (with some success) to blame the original European populations for the ills of the world in the last twenty centuries. The Catholic Church being at the center of Europe's construction and development during that period, is of course to blame for all the evils that men do to men, according to that overly simplistic idea you try to develop here. The populations (Catholic or not) that fight these views are therefore by simple association, guilty of poor thinking and poor choices, political or otherwise if they oppose the discourses on colonialism, slave trade, gay marriage, celibacy for priest, defense of life and so on. Kiko and his hordes have espoused a free masonic, Jewishfication of the Church, with the aim to become a Trojan horse of sort within our Church. Christ has warned us repeatedly about these kinds of dangers. This is why painting opponents to this movement with the broad paint- brush of Fascism has been so effective in Europe. This attempt to transpose this false debate to Guam by gross recuperation of that movement and align it to the ills of colonization from Spain, is nothing but evil and parternalist. The true goal being to divide our movement on Guam between Chamorros and non Chamorros, under the guise of a false advocacy.

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