Sunday, June 29, 2014

YOU JUST HAPPEN TO BE NEXT, DIANA.


  1. Dear Diana, when the parishioners of the parish say NCW stay out, you stay out! We will run you out!
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    1. Dear Anonymous at 9:33 p.m.,

      There is a hierarchy in the Catholic Church. The layperson is at the bottom of that hierarchy. Those who disobey the Archbishop has put themselves outside the Catholic Church. Oh ye of little faith. For over 2000 years the Catholic Church have stood, and now you feel that the Church will fall because of the NCW??

It's comments like these from "Diana" that make me hope "Diana" is not Fr. Adrian or any priest, because if that's the case, things are much worse than we thought. However, all signs do point to Fr. Adrian, and what "Diana" says here is quite consistent with the regular hog-trough Kiko-think we've become quite used to.

Kiko teaches that the church apostatized after Constantine and was only restored with Vatican II. He mocks the Church that existed and grew in the intervening 1,300 years.

The great impetus of Vatican II was its emphasis on the "priesthood of the laity". The laity were to no longer be Catholic cattle in the pews (as Kiko saw us and still does). We were to be co-equal with the clergy in terms of spiritual dignity and vocation as lay persons.

In fact, the Neocatechumenal Way and the many other lay movements that grew out of Vatican II were and are seen exactly as a response to this idea of the dignity of the lay vocation and a movement of the Holy Spirit. And further, our Neo friends never tire of telling us this.

However, now that someone stands up to them and calls them out on their errors..."NO MORE VATICAN II! You are all sheep. Shut up and sit down. Obey." It's funny because this "shut up and sit down...you are only lay people...bow down to the great Archbishop" is precisely the pre-Vatican II Kiko-version of the church that they condemn. But then that's Kiko-think.

By coincidence (?) A NY Times story appeared in my inbox just after I read the above garbage by "Diana": POPE DEFROCKS ARCHBISHOP: Jozef Wesolowski, an archbishop from Poland, was laicized for sexually abusing boys while stationed in the Dominican Republic as a papal nuncio.

According to "Diana", those boys should have just obeyed the archbishop and (deleted) and not complained. After all there's a hierarchy in the Catholic Church, and "lay people are on the bottom", (deleted).

Actually, "Diana", God has used us "bottom people" throughout the history to purge the Church of people like you. You just happen to be next.

P.S. You may want to note the following line from the story:
An auxiliary bishop in Santo Domingo, Victor Masalles, posted a Twitter message on Monday that he was surprised to see the ambassador walking along a street in Rome. “The silence of the church has hurt the people of God,” the bishop said in Spanish.
Well, the Catholics of Guam, the real ones, are SILENT NO MORE! 

24 comments:

  1. Did Diana just expose himself as a priest? "Our status as the common priesthood already has a spiritual dignity."



    DianaJune 29, 2014 at 8:19 AM
    Dear Anonymous at 7:44 a.m.,

    I am not surprise that Tim Rohr would twist everything I say. Obviously, Tim Rohr does not know the Catholic faith as some people thought. Catholic teaching does say that we are to obey and respect our Church leaders. But Catholic teaching also says that we are not to go against the moral order.....meaning that if a priest tells us to kill someone, we can disobey the priest. How convenient for Tim Rohr to leave this Catholic teaching out. Instead, he uses the sexual abuse of a priest to brainwash his followers into disobeying all Church leaders and into following him.

    He also misinterpret the intention of Vatican II. Vatican II empowered the people to participate more in Church, but that does not take away their status. In other words, the Head of the house is still the head of the house. Our status as the common priesthood already has a spiritual dignity. The problem with pre-Vatican II was that a vast majority of people did not participate in the Mass despite that they were there. While Mass was going on, people was praying their own devotion because they could not understand Latin. So, changes were made, and one of those changes was to conduct the mass in the vernacular. The other was to empower the faithful to get out of the pews and get more involve in their parish in the hopes to create more vocations and to evangelize.

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    1. Situation in the archdiocese is far more serious than anything reported on this page.

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    2. This page can only handle so much at a time....patience people...all the truth will come out, one way or another! So far, so good, Tim and posters! Not the time for Apathy!

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    3. 12.55pm. Let's watch this week. Archbishop is anxious concerning rantings thursday.

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    4. Let the truth prevail.

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    5. Diana is correct. The Lay person should be at the bottom. That is where Kiko belongs. So why does the Archbishop follow his doctrine?!!!!

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  2. Ah, yes, so you see all you poor Chamorro people who didn't understand Latin. All those years, through all those trials, your faith was only in superstitions and not the real faith of the Neocatechumenal Way because you didn't understand Latin. P.S. Diana, you don't even know what the words "moral order" means. And P.P.S. It wasn't the "sexual abuse of a priest". It was the sexual abuse of boys by a priest, an Archbishop in fact. Hmmm.

    And P.P.P.S. The Archbishop embraces an illicit liturgy and different magisterium. We have a duty to oppose him. And we will.

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    1. The truth will prevail.

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  3. At 8:41 we are all prophets, priests and kings...

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  4. I'm not sure if Diana is Fr. Adrian, but it is suspicious that she is even female . Usually the co-responsibles are a married couple but maybe I'm wrong. I notice she never mentions anything of her family. I'm not talking names or anything, but just a reference here or there. As a woman and mother, I find this odd because whenever I can, I speak of my children because they are my fruit so to speak and my joy.

    Even Tim as a father mentions, although not specific things, here and there about his children, whether attending a game of theirs or attending the Easter Vigil with his family.

    It's strange that her references to youths and families is made from a point of view that tells me she is single without children. Maybe she is married and without children? Maybe as a co-responsible she is single? Just wanted to share my wondering thoughts on the subject.

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    1. Well, she thinks Tim is "obsessed" with her...and is enjoying being the new star of the day. Not very educated. Her writing skills are atrocious. She is also parroting the chancellor about how the case is in Rome...blah,blah. Enjoy the day with the fam, Diana. Know you went to Eucharist with the assembly last night.

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  5. That is why Gofigan was taken out.

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  6. Let the truth prevail.

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  7. Diana also is ignorant (it appears) of the fact that: we, "the people on the bottom" ARE THE CHURCH. The clergy, regardless of their position and title in the Church hierarchy exist to "serve the people "in the bottom" of the Church. Isn't that what the "washing of the feet" signifies during Holy Thursday? With no indians the chiefs would not have a function nor a reason to exist.

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  8. 9:38 AM if she's ignorant why would copy and paste her blog here in your jungle? Hmmmmmm. Your in denial she made a good point in every angle that Tim failed to grasp.

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    1. LOL! That's even more ignorant than Diana! Pizza.

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    2. So that we can get all wide eyed and dropped jawed at the words of wisdom he shares. Sort of makes your day. Or makes you cry.

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    3. This fake diana is so funny, always trying to quote scripture but always sticking her foot in her mouth. So now us 'lay people' are at the bottom. Maybe she hasn't read the part where 'the first will be last and the last will be first'.

      Poor diana, St. John Chrysostom said "The floor of HELL is paved with the skulls of priests and the bishops heads as the guide post".

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  9. Arch A Bishop! Pizza be with you, are you back yet? Hurry, cuz Diana is not keeping her place in the church at the bottom of hierarchy. He keeps making proclamations that we your other flock ( you remember..the one who attend the not quite fullness of Mass) are out of the Church. Please hurry and give him a blind obedience to stop this at once. Oh, can we come to meet you at the Airport? We never get a turn. Not fair! We could chat on the way to San Ramon Hill about Canon Law, Alienation of Church properties and stuff. If you are too tired after your trip, we can come over on Sunday night for Pizza. What do you say? Let us know, ok?

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  10. A friend just alerted me to this comment that "Diana" made yesterday morning, which seems to put a new spin into the Archbishop's case against Fr. Paul Gofigan — OR confirms what Patti Arroyo had speculated early in the controversy:

    Diana June 28, 2014 at 9:05 AM

    Dear Anonymous at 8:42 a.m.,

    Tim Rohr wrote on my blogsite in March when he invited to meet with him. From his comment, I see a lot of emotion in it. From his comment, I also see that it has more to do with the Archbishop than it does about the Way.

    http://neocatechemunal.blogspot.com/2014/03/controversy-and-reconciliation_11.html#comment-form

    As for the priest, he is supposed to be obedient to the Archbishop. He took a vow of obedience. This means that IF THE BISHOP TELLS THE PRIEST TO OPEN HIS PARISH FOR THE WAY, THE PRIEST SHOULD OBEY THE BISHOP. (my emphasis)

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    According to the Archbishop's letter of 16 July 2013, Fr. Paul was being removed for failing to follow a directive to fire an employee which, supposedly, was an act of disobedience. But now here we have "Diana" stating that Fr. Paul's failure to obey the Archbishop referred to an entirely different matter. Of course, since “Diana” says he/she/it/they does/do not read JungleWatch, he/she/it/they could be unaware that Fr. Paul was open to allowing a community at Sta. Barbara, with certain stipulations; namely, that (1) their liturgies were to be celebrated in the chapel and (2) their Masses would have to be open to all parishioners. He stated this at two separate meetings with NCW personnel and both times the NCW rejected the stipulations.

    As one of the commenters pointed out, "Diana" had lived up to the theme of his/her/its/their blog. He/She/It/They had provided “An Insider's View" on the Fr. Paul controversy by revealing the real reason for his removal from Sta. Barbara!

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    1. Hmmm. Wonder what kind of "emotion" "Diana" is referring to. Here is the comment I left on his site:

      Tim March 13, 2014 at 4:53 PM
      Dear Diana, I wish I would have thought of this before. The Archbishop has only to state that the manner in which the Neocatechumenal Way distributes communion is licit and there will be no more discussion about it. To be sure, he has advocated for it, and practices it himself, but he has yet to officially declare it licit. This is thoroughly within his competence to do, and in fact, is his job. I have posted my letter to him, which I am sending separately as well, on my blog. His pronouncement will be then end of it as far as I am concerned. Let us hope he responds quickly. As an aside, I am calling off any invitation to discuss differences. It is simply not necessary. The Archbishop will clarify things for us and provide us the appropriate references, thus there will be nothing to discuss. I will abide by what he says and no more question the practice. Best Regards, Tim Rohr

      There was no reply. More on this in a post.

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    2. Diana distorts the truth once again; that's Kiko SOP/PR for you.

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  11. The catechetical ignorance displayed and demonstrated in the postings by kiko followers here and by the fraud-of-a-character, diana, is telling about why they've so easily fallen for kiko's invented, altered and concocted new (neo) self-designed Catholic-wannabe religion. ... and to make his followers feel good about defecting from authentic Catholicism, kiko brainwashes his followers into accepting and using a connivingly clever and seemingly valid response to our admonishment: "denounce and claim persecution!" -- Kiko instructs and advices them.

    I pray that victims (of kiko's deceit and fraudulent teachings) may humbly be open to what is catechetically pointed out here; that it may help them see the errors (even the heresies) in kiko's teachings which is contrary to authentic Catholic Teachings. This is particularly so on Core Catholic doctrine about the Holy Sacrifice of The Mass, and about the Real Presence in the Consecrafed Host, among others.

    It's not about Tim nor who is on the archbishop's side; it's not about siding with one or the other; because when all is said and done, it is about the potential perdition of souls. Following authentic Catholic doctrine, which contains the Fullness of The Truth, is the One and Only WAY.

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  12. Diana keeps talking about the Catholic Church when hish (he she) is not even part of it, hish in the kikotholic church who follows only kiko and carmens teaching, not the Magisterium, hish a fake just like her blog id.

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