Tuesday, August 19, 2014

A MESSAGE FROM CANDISE NACOLE M. LIZAMA




Dear Ms. Lizama,


Thank you for your submission to our collection of reasons to not only stay away from the Neocatechumenal Way, but rid it from our island and our church. Your submission is almost too ignorant to respond to, but let me try.
  • "Diana" named and identified my daughter in the picture that she posted. I did not name or identify your brother. 
  • "Diana" alleged an unethical connection between my daughter and the editors of the PDN. I alleged nothing about your family. 
  • On a lighter note, your moral instruction follows nicely on your reference to my ass. Nicely done.
And thank you for the reminder about being "judged in the end". But more so, thank you truly for showing us the kind of people the Neocatechumenal Way produces. Messages like yours make my job so much easier. Feel free to submit more. I've given you your own tag for easy reference.

Warning to all: These are the kind of people Archbishop Apuron is subjecting our diocese to. 




53 comments:

  1. The ignorance of these people is overwhelmingly palpable. She can't even tell the difference between how Diana/Holly/Jessica/Edivaldo WHOEVER intentionally maliciously stalked and identified your daughter versus some random unidentified individuals in a Neo Mass picture. YES this is the dumb fruit produced by the Way.NO MORE! They're like the island version of backwoods hillbillies. Can't spell, can't debate intelligently, they only repeat what they're brainwashed to repeat. UNBELIEVABLE that this filth is allowed to thrive. But God created even the slugs of the earth that squirm around in the slime and muck. For those of you true to the Church and its teachings, let this be a wake up call for us to rise up and defend our faith from being reduced to the whims of this cult. Rise up and do what you can to defend our Church and its good priests who are under attack.

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  2. Who are these young women? Who is the one influencing them? I hope it is not the pastor Chalan Pago. What lovely fruits! They are all associated with each other it seems. Building up the Church! Builing bridges! Nice job, girls.

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    1. Yes. It's Edivaldo's harem. Have watched it for 10 years.

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    2. Harem, you say, Tim? Well, that is disgusting. Wonder what they will think of this part of their lives when they are mature women?? Sad.

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    3. I'm just wondering what this lady does for a living. Spelling leaves much to be desired. She's not Diana. Diana is so smart.

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    4. She is a college student.

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    5. She is a college student. I know her. I am very embarrassed for this young girl right now because I know what her intention is but she chose to deal with it in a very unprofessional and embarrassing way.

      Ai Candise. See you in school.

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    6. Edivaldo's harem? You're sick Tim, you that? You're sick.

      And Candise? I am speechless.

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    7. Yah. Made me sick to hear how they used to talk of him in my store. I heard a lot. However, relax. "harem" is used here a a figure of speech. Nothing sexual, at least not actually, is implied. It's a cult following of females that many people see, as evidenced by several comments on this blog.

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    8. From his Macho pictures and his mannerism, who wouldn't be attracted to his Harem? My goodness, parents, you better know where your children are?.....Oops they are considered adults....can't say much! They have a mind of their own!

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    9. P.S. 1:57. Just an FYI. You really don't want to go there.

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    10. I don't think diana is smart at all. She has a lot to say for sure but none of it is substantive. Ai Candise thats so not like u to badmouth anyone. What has the neo done to You and the edivaldo groupies.

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  3. I wonder what major problem she had that the NEOS suckered her into their way of praying. With this kind of attitude and condemnation she wants her neocrats to take over our church. Tell her to get real counseling for her problems that she is suffering from and not to rely on NCW to solve her problems. They are only after her money and ASSets.

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  4. i recall seeing past comments on this blog about how neocats emphasize the “fruits” of their movement.

    recalling this from galatians 5:

    "The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such there is no law."

    ... i’m failing to see any signs of these fruits in ms lizama’s message.

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  5. "Bite you in the ass..." Was that Holy Spirit Inspired? Time for "The Way" to move away!!

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    1. A Harem? I call it a hornets nest. Run away from these women of the WAY! Run Far away.

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    2. She sure was filled with the Holy Spirit! Wrong tongue of fire fell upon here!

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    3. A harem may be a little much, so let's call it a cult following. They used to come into my store and talk about the seminarians as if they were the new boys at school. Edivaldo was constantly mentioned.

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  6. Is there not one among the NCW who will disavow themselves of these self appointed spokes people? I hope that no one can be so entrenched in the NCW that they would be so inclined to defend and rationalize these responses of their fellow walkers? Please do not misappropriate loyalty.

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  7. DIANA shares some important FACTS: "I can say that Buddha is not a Christian, and that is a statement of fact. In the same way, I can also say that Tim Rohr is not a Christian, and that is also a statement of fact." Get your facts straight folks. Which TEAM member came up with this gem?

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    1. The FACT is that the simple definition of a "Christian" is to be a "follower of "Christ". And you cannot say that the comment above, insinuating karma and vengeance are very "Christ-like", nor is using such language of " bite you back in the ASS!" (Is that really what the Neocatechism is all about? Because I'm sorry there are a lot more intelligent and eloquent things in the English language to say.) By the way, didn't Christ say that when someone wrongs you to "Turn the other cheek"? So why are you judging who is a Christian and who is not when you evidently cannot follow the same path... Here's a term for you and "Diana" to define HYPOCRITE.

      The reality is, Tim is only saying out loud what many of us have been thinking for years. Big props to him for bringing out the TRUTH of what is really going on in our church.

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  8. Don't you have a bunch of Harem that donate to you with a HurryCane?

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    1. Excuse me? What do you mean, @3:52

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    2. Think again, 3:52. Do you really want to push me on the harem thing?

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    3. If it is JV, I hope you're not posting these comments while on the job. It would be a shame if say someone has been keeping a record of all your commentary and the times you've posted, trolling everyone online, and delivered a copy to your superiors at your place of work. #screenshots

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    4. let us change that name to J Elijah instead of JV

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    5. I wonder if Candise can just candidly walk into her community as if nothing. Oh wait...she will have a standing ovation...CLAP, CLAP!

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    6. Hello Tim, I am not JV.

      .JV

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  9. Her name kind of set her up to spell and speak horribly. Why do parents try to make ordinary names look and/or sound unique by jacking-up the spelling or creating ugly hybrid names?

    Oh, and Candise, if Tim is going to be judged in the end so will you. I don't think you get brownie points just for being in the Way. You have to actually practice what you preach/evangelize/testify... whatever you call it.

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  10. Again with the Hurry cane jokes? SMH. So immature.

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  11. Is it any wonder that Fr. Edivaldo has his "fangirls" who probably believe he is their Knight in Shining Armor to protect and defend them? They probably think he was speaking to each of them personally when he said to "Watch for men, they will say anything to get you and then they will treat you like an orange. They will suck all the sweet juice out of you and when there is no more juice left and you are dry they will spit you out and throw you away." (Source: JungleWatch "Who Said This" December 5, 2013)

    With words like those tickling their ears, his voice echoing in their dreams, they are easy pickings and would consider it their mission in life to do his bidding and assume the "Diana" persona.

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    1. Did he mean bebe juice?

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    2. Janet B - MangilaoAugust 20, 2014 at 1:55 PM

      Before just now, I didn't quite understand what Tim was talking about with all this harem stuff. I asked a friend of mine who knows quite a few of the neo-"ladies". She directed me to the following link:
      http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a527/undercoverneo/edivaldo2smudged_zps52805828.jpg

      Now, I am not one to be judgmental, but this photo of Fr Egivaldo surrounded by five women whose faces have been blurred out is very disturbing. It appears to be totally out of line the way these women are laying their bodies all around this priest.
      Since we cannot see their faces clearly, we cannot tell their actual age, but they are obviously young women, and maybe even minor women. If one of these girls were my daughter I would certainly file a complaint against Fr Egivaldo with the Archdiocese.

      OOPS...i forgot! Unfortunately, since Fr Egivaldo is a kiko priest nothing will happen even if an irate parent filed a complaint. But you can be sure that if Tony Baloney saw this photo with a non-neo priest he would certainly be facing a more arduous and painful media exposure.

      Our Catholic Church is totally corrupted from the kikos and we need to get rid of them. There is no other solution to the problems we face, since the problem is the neo.
      Let's pray for a swift closure to this part of our history.

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    3. LMAO - pull up this address and play the big money neo game "Can you Spot the Priest!"
      I bet SNAP would love to view this photo of a Guam priest gettin funky with the ladies.
      Is this why so many paople call him Fr OJ?

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    4. Well, Janet, after seeing the OTHER original photograph on JW, I have to say I am not shocked. That same arrogant nose in the air. Tell me, anyone, please! Do you think there is another photograph of a Priest anywhere in the world like unto this particular HAREM shot? Archbishop who just traveled to Korea with this MANLY MAN, what do you have to say? Crickets AS USUAL. I, for one, would never ever go to a Mass celebrated by you or ever confess to you. You need help. Serious help before some terrible thing happens. Look at those Priestly hands folded in such smug manner. May God Have Mercy. Whoever has this picture send it to Archbishop to ponder. I'm so angry.

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    5. Fr. O.J. Have you sucked all the sweetness out of this harem yet? Huh, "Father". Hope this gets all around the parish by SATURDAY NIGHT in Chalan Pago. God Save Guam Archbishop, do something, damn it. What is wrong with you??? Blockely, hurry up.

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    6. immediate suspension for the Brasilian

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    7. Let's see Diana IGNORE this completely and publish a catechesis on Humility, or Justice or some other bull. Let's see, Diana. Go ahead face it head on! No catechesis on Thou shalt not steal, OK?

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    8. Janet B at 1:55 PM, I must admit that you have me curious. I tried that link but my browser wouldn't go there because "Too many redirects occurred trying to open" that page. But then again, it is so apropos considering those involved …

      If it's anything like the photo that used to be here on JungleWatch, your description of the photo of Fr. Edivaldo being "surrounded by five women whose faces have been blurred out" evoked an uneasy feeling in me. Since you used the word "women," I'm assuming that none of those in the photo were minors. However, even if they are adults, " laying their bodies all around this priest" is so inappropriate and would be a source of scandal.

      But then again, anything and everything done by the NCW gets The Unconditional Stamp of Approval from Archbishop Anthony Sablan Apuron, Vicar General David C. Quitugua and Chancellor Adrian Cristobal. They just better hope that there are no minors in the photo because SNAP — and the media — would have a field day with something like this.

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    9. They probably will...they saw the first one Aleady. Sorry. Egivaldo ....egg head.

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    10. Can we re-name this photo "Diana"? Whatever its called, it is disturbing

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    11. Diana on his blog denying being a priest. Hope seminarians don't get to view this photo. Who knows, might be on the news.

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    12. I don't know about blurry pictures, but I have a good picture and a clear one of it! Two of them look like minors....SNAP!

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    13. Janet B - MangilaoAugust 21, 2014 at 12:43 AM

      Mary Lou - I use the term women to reflect gender, but they are young ladies, and one must wonder if any are minors. Even if they are all 18 or older, this should not be happening. Totally wrong to have this situation. The liability exposure to the Church is tremendous!
      I met Fr Leo "Grace before Meals" and he absolutely refused to be alone with any woman, and any male minor. One of the deacons drove him around just to remove any possibility of an appearance of anything inappropriate.
      Lots of parents have children in the neo. Are they aware of these "photo ops"?
      Tony Baloney has some explaining to do!

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    14. Janet B, thank you for clarifying your use of the term “women.” I was able to use another browser on a different laptop to follow your link. I absolutely agree that, regardless of the age of these females, a pose such as this is not only inappropriate but also scandalous. I noticed the title of the image "Egivaldo [sic] and the girls" is disturbing as well — at least it was "the girls" and not "his girls," though the females would have probably preferred the latter.

      The precautions Fr. Leo took to avoid the appearance of impropriety and/or scandal should be noted and used as a model by Fr. Edivaldo — all priests/presbyters, for that matter, but Fr. Edivaldo in particular given that this photo is available on the Internet for the world to see!

      One has to wonder if members the local NCW "hierarchy" — from the Archbishop, Vicar General, Chancellor, Responsibles, etc. — are aware of this image but have chosen to turn a blind eye to its existence. If so, that is an extremely poor example of the so-called "ultimate consideration being the safety of our children," as professed by the Chancery in the 22 July 2013 "Archdiocese Statement Regarding Father Paul Gofigan."

      I have to ask:
      Archbishop Anthony Sablan Apuron — Is this person who cautioned females to “Watch for men, they will say anything to get you and then they will treat you like an orange. They will suck all the sweet juice out of you and when there is no more juice left and you are dry they will spit you out and throw you away." one of the NCW FRUITS that you are so proud of? A presbyter who has his personal collection of “fangirls”?

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    15. Sincerely hoping something is being done to address issue of this photograph of presbyter Edivaldo. Parents, do not risk your kids with him.

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    16. I don't live in Guam. Is Edivaldo really a priest? If so, how old is he and how long has he been a priest? I viewed the photo. VERY INAPPROPRIATE!

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  12. this drama and players are so dan brown mixed with Danielle steel. we shall call it the 51st shade of gray.

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  13. Tim, until recently, the Neo movement has been fairly quiet and stuck to their own celebrations, which did not bother much of us "regular" Catholics, mostly because we have been to taught to be welcoming and to not criticize.

    However, in light of all that has been happening with the biggest and strongest NEO member, Archbishop Apuron, I've been reading a lot about The Way in many other reputable sites and it is chilling how it mirrors what is happening here on Guam!

    Even from as far as over a decade ago, there are accounts of the Neo being wrong in their liturgical practices, the extremely destructive psychological and social affects of this movement to members, most especially to those who struggled to detach themselves, and the constant misrepresentation of what Rome states to be acceptable or approved.

    It is apparent that those Neos have been crazy for a long while now! How can we rid our island of this disease of a cult called the Neocatecumenal Way? Please advise!!!

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  14. Can you do same with LDS,Jehovah Witness, Harvest Baptist, New Covenant, St.Paul and INC?

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