If Fr Efren and Fr Jeff were successful in containing the FD boys today, if what the "student" reported, it would seem that FD boys exhibited more restraint than the Archbishop. Why do people continue to walk on egg shells around someone who stomps the ground anyways?
Guess this is going to be the Archbishop's statement to all high school students and maybe middle school students. What is he trying to prove?
Probably that listening to actual recordings (like the 3 that can be heard in the link below)is more reliable than reading actual comments in blogs?http://m.soundcloud.com/undecoverneo/tracks
Blogs in the plural. Well, that's not fair. Diana has been more than busy answering every little point...my goodness over seventy comment on one point alone. Wow, that ordinary young woman is going to be mad at the Ordinary Tony. Here she is, at this point giving her every spare moment defending the Ordinary Tony to the hilt! Then he tells FD young men: don't read the blogS! Of course they will be reading the blog Junglewatch before they do their Algebra homework tonight. Truly inspiring example for our youth, our very own Ordinary Tony.
REALLY?!?! Is "Don't pay attention to the blogs" going to be his message to the Catholic School high school students from now on? Doesn't he trust that Administration, Faculty and Staff of the Catholic high schools teach students critical thinking skills? Or maybe that's exactly what he fears …FYI: Archbishop Anthony Sablan Apuron, the more you say that, the more you encourage these young people to view that "blog somewhere" …
As if we will care with whatever he says! Sorry...but your actions sir is louder than words....well even your words matches your actions...so what else is there to say! haha
A lot of what is being said here was already circulating way before this blog started addressing the issues. I think, that the Archbishop needs to come out to his people and address their questions, and I think he should definitely stay away from the Neocatechumenal group. As a practicing Catholic, it is frustrating and disappointing to know that my shepherd or any member of the clergy is with a group within the Church that challenges the basics of our faith and beliefs. I think that Archbishop owes me and every catholic on this island that explanation, as a leader who is suppose to lead me to the TRUTH. He is suppose to defend the TRUTH, as he did so in the past, instead of just turning a blind eye to it, because he knows, just like any other average Catholic on this island that I know of, that what is being taught/said in the Neocatechumenal contradicts the teachings of the Church.
The desperate actions of a desperate sorry excuse for a Bishop
I guess Tony still can’t tell the difference between good and bad advice. Every parent knows that the sure way to ensure a teenager does something is to tell them not to do it. To keep this a short lesson for my FD brothers, I’ll share just two observations about the Neo that I’ve made through the years. I’m not a Neocat, although I’ve attended a couple of Catechesis at the invitation of close relatives and friends. They are: (1) Kiko and his catechists have reigning authority. For Guam the High Priest Catechist is Fr. Pius. Tony is not in control of the Archdiocese; Pius is. Fr. Pius says to Tony, "Even priests should become part of the Way and convert!" Obediently, Tony starts the expulsion of Fr. Paul, Msgr. James, and slowly but surely if not stopped every other Non-Neo priest including the Capuchins; and (2) The Neo communities exert tremendous pressure on its members. The members are all subjected to iron-handed discipline in the Way, as the High Priest Catechist Fr. Pius will say, "… it will bring you to the point of having to make a radical choice in your life." A lot of my family members and friends have left the Neo, and are glad they did. They are still psychologically scarred, however. My advice to FD students is when you see a Neo coming, RUN! Fortes in Fide.
Gerry, Great post but I wonder how you're formation to become a Deacon will be affected by your clear opposition to NCW. Am I mistaken or are you not in this new Deaconate class? With Fr. Adrian being the Vocations Director and a most ardent Neo, itsn't it expected that the new prospective deacons have to follow the Way or "get out.?"
Anon 2:46. I withdrew from Adrian's formation program several months ago and have opted instead to continue my development with the Catholic Distance University, or other venues. The program had great structure and direction under Fr. Paul and Deacons Steve and Len. It's a completely different story under Adrian. Honestly, I don't expect to be ordained in this archdiocese while Tony and the High Priest Catechist Fr. Pius are in charge. Of the 35 original candidates, Adrian has weeded out all but 12. I'm afraid that no one from the current cohort will receive ordination. It is just not the will of those on the Hill.
During a break in our meeting with the Apostolic Nuncio, I personally spoke to Fr Adrian about the concern that several current deacon candidates had about being forced to join the NCW. These new candidates are fine men and they know that 6 months before our ordination (and after 3.5 years of study) the 13 deacons in my class were all required to join the NCW or we would not be ordained.Fr Adrian assured me in that conversation on July 15 that they would never be required to do so, and I asked him to make sure the current candidates were advised by him that they would not be required to join the NCW.I hope this clarifies the record for anyone who fears a repeat of what we were required to endure in 2003.Deacon Steve Martinez
@6:18 pm: Hi Deacon, I think that Fr Adrian made this concession only because, with the Apostolic Delegate in his midst, he had to. As such, I don't think on the basis of this statement we can be assured that going forward new candidates for the deaconate are not going to have to join the NCW. Perhaps, if we are lucky, Fr. Adrian will suspend his policy of requiring candidates to join the NCW for a time; but I highly doubt he will continue with this suspension once he feels that the Apostolic scrutiny is passed and he and the Archbishop are one again free to use Machiavellian tactics to convert the RCC on Guam to NCW.
Doesn't matter whether they join the NCW or not. These candidates are not even trained properly, since Fr.Adrian often undermines and challenges the teachings of the Church.
Communist Russia: "People, do not read any Christian propaganda, or you will go to jail"Communist China: "People do not read any Christian propaganda or you will be tortured"Iraq/Afghanistan: "People do not read any Christian propaganda or it's your head"Archdiocese of Guam: "People do not Talk or Read the Truth in the blog, or you'll suffer an arduous journey, you will be fired/reassigned and of course you will not get paid" ...and we're not even a communist country.
Anon 1:42. Totally agree. However, It’s not difficult to understand how the Neocatechumen thinks if you accept the fact that they have also been brainwashed, or I guess the more politically accepted term these days is “reformed thinking”. First of all, people who follow the Way consider themselves to be predeterminately chosen to become the “salt and light” of the Church and for the world. If you refuse to participate in their catechesis, the typical response is “… that’s okay, not everyone is expected to be the ‘salt and light’ of the Church.” The Neo are promised salvation by accepting the Way as a style of life that's unique and dear only for a privileged few. They are told in convivence, "If you take on the Way, you will have the spirit of Jesus Christ." Hearing this type of “reformed thinking” creates in me an attitude of segregation between me and those in the Way. Those excluded include parishioners who do not take part in the Way; active Catholics who are significant contributors to their respective parishes; and those who are active in other Catholic movements such as the Knights of Columbus, Marriage Encounter, Third Order of St. Francis, Catholic Daughters of America; and others. In Guam, the High Priest Fr. Pius has already begun chipping away at our local traditions. St. Vicente Church in Barrigada is adorned with artwork by the Neo Prophet Kiko Arguello; the statue of Santa Guadalupe at Santa Rita Church has been removed to make room for additional Kikoartwork; and now there’s talk that Santa Maria Kamalen needs to be moved. Guam is not communist, but I'm not too sure about the Archdiocese. Maybe dictatorial?
Dictatorial, yes! "Reformed thinking" ? Gerry, you were correct the first time -BRAINWASHED all the WAY! Pius is a huge problem. We are his mission.
These neos think they are the "salt and light" of the earth and that they are the chosen one to go straight to heaven. Wait till they die and wonder what the hell this fire is around them.
AAA didn't even come to some of the classes. There are some kids who have questions that needed to be answered.
He didn't answer every question.
According to journalists covering the Apuron Story no cheers for Apuron. Students only applauded Fr.Jeff. Fr. Efren, himself, a victim, of the slander of Apuron, was most dignified and as was expected professional in his approach to a difficult situation.
Anonymous (August 28, 2014 at 2:35 PM), there were journalists covering the Archbishop's visit to FDMS? Which news outlets did they come from — print or multi-media? Maybe I missed the report because I haven't read or heard or seen anything other than here in JungleWatch …Could it be that those "journalists" were from the the Archbishop's newspaper, the U Matuna Si Yu'os?
Obviously he did not go to the classes because he knew FD students demanded answers from him. To simply inform the students "don't pay attention to the blogs." shows his true character.
He went to the classes. Left some questions unanswered
I agree with mr. Taitano. A parent knows that if you tell a child not to do something, he will be more incline to do it! I'm not surprised though because being a good "father" is. something this archbishop knows nothing of.
Archbishop, FD students will continue to read and study Junglewatch. junglewatch by Tim Rohr is a highly respected social media blog informing Catholics of news happening in the Archdiocese of Agana. As catholic students we encourage students, parents, and teachers, to read. We are proud to be informed Catholics and will continue to be informed by reading the blog. More power to Tim Rohr and all who comment on Junglewatch.
Speaking of the Santa Guadalupe statue....not really knowing about what happened to the statue, I ask a very prominent "manamko" of Santa Rita about the statue and her reply was"Pale said they moved the statue to the back room because he (pale) was afraid that the kids attending Eskulan Pale might drop it and that would be so sinful so we put the new picture/painting in place of the statue!"What do you think if this prominent manamko/sumay survivor would think or say is she was told the "REAL" truth"
Anonymous (August 28, 2014 at 7:29 PM), I have to wonder: How long had the Santa Guadalupe statue been in the church before being removed? How many Eskuelan Pale students had picked up the Santa Guadalupe statue over the years? I imagine that the Santa Guadalupe statue had her place of honor in the church for decades and nobody ever worried that the "kids attending Eskuelan Pale might drop it and that would be sinful!" But now all of a sudden, Pale says that the church's Santa Guadalupe statue must be replaced by a painting — and nobody had a problem with that story?!? Nobody is willing to stand up to Pale and demand that Santa Guadalupe be returned to her rightful place in the church? How very, very sad.
Yes, they need to be told the REAL truth!
The Archbishop also told the students that only person that can remove him is the Pope.
Yes! He defended his authority as Archbishop by stating that the people requested to Rome for him to be the archbishop.
We have our Call to Action: We all need to write to the Rome and the Nuncio...The Archbishop thinks he is untouchable.....we need to write to Rome, pray and fast.this is the only thing that can make a difference.
Correct. The only person who can remove Archbishop Apuron is the Holy Father. My question becomes why would Archbishop Apuron even need to make such a statement to a student?
Anonymous (August 28, 2014 at 8:34 PM), did Archbishop Anthony Sablan Apuron tell the students that he can only be removed by the Pope in response to a question from a student? Or was it an addendum to his "Don't pay attention to the blogs" admonition to them? While the statement is true, I'm curious about why he said it.
@Mary Lou It was said at the conclusion of the school mass.. before the final blessing. He did go to a couple of classrooms. Someone asked what the difference was between the Neocats and regular Catholics. The answer was as vague as you can get...The Neocat is trying to do the faith like the olden times. the time when persecution occurred and that you have to live the faith you choose. He also brought Deacon Harold I guess to "help" answer questions.
Oh boy..let's add more DDs here:D.D. = Deny & DeceptionHarood be his name also has a D.D. attached (Designated Driver)
I learned a lot more about my catholic faith from the Jungle Watch than from the Archbishop, Monsignor David or Father Adrian. These priest are not informative. They seem to hide behind the collar. They push the teachings of the neo which they don't disclose to the parishioners. Their practice of the faith is so secretive. I am learning from the blog what the Way is all about and how they worship. I would encourage more Catholics to read the blog. It does not hide anything.
He didn't even go to the classrooms and a student myself I wanted my questions to be answered.
He went to classrooms. I know that for a fact. He didn't have time to attend to every class. He left by lunch today. Your teacher may have requested to not be visited because of a busy work load.
Well, Mr. student, please share your questions on this blog that you intended to ask His Excellemcy. Encourage your friends to do the same.
To learn about the authentic Catholic Faith read Junglewatch. it is the only available medium to learn the teaching of the Catholic Church based on Scripture and Tradition.
Yeah tje jungle waych teaches how to malign, steal documents, call a lady an a$$h#!3 and disobey and how to be your own authority and ordain yourself as a Deacon online.
@7:18AM, either go back to bed or go to classes at the U.
Well good morning Anon at 7.18am.....Are you for real?I guess from the way you spell, you must be. At first I thought you were using second degree humor.On second reading, you can recognize the lies, the deceitful comment and finally for the cherry on the cake: the personal attack.Typical foot print of the Kikobot......Oh wellPizza be with you
The Tide is coming near you Frenchie. I hope a major one hits you. This is not threat but it's coming your way, a world of hurt will be in your hands. Not locally but from the largest land lord in the world.
These comments from the Neo are adorable, aren't they? They're so cute, showing their tongues at us from behind a mask, and then running away. They're like the duhendes of the Catholic Church! Little pranksters that are in their exclusive club... I just wanna pinch their cheeks because they think they're such big fellas in the faith! Silly Neo duhendes. lol
8:58 ur not? I'm not in the way, but this will hit you right smack in your face! Non Neo Do not agree with your philosophy! You dig DBag?
Don't insult the duhendes by associating them with the Neos. LOL !!! They are the cancerous cells threatening to mestastesize and infect the entire body of the Catholic Faithful here on Guam.
Anon 9:55am, in the words of that super hilarious Sprint commercial, you are "cray cray adorbs!" Totes m'gotes! lol