To their Prophet and their Messiah, Hail Kiko, King of the Neocats!
Like some one stated in a previous post, He is like Obama. They don't know what is happening until they read the paper. I wouldn't be surprised if all this ended up in court!
If you are referring to the "NEO" comment that it stands for the New Evil Organization, then I don't need your love...have plenty of it.
Upon seeing this picture -- and other pictures of kiko like this -- I say: "This picture paints a thousand words!"
Here's hoping I don't run into this prophet any time soon. Scrub a dub dub. Not inspiring; rather frightening, to tell the truth.
Let me add on please....three initiators in a tub, whose turn to add on....
came to Guam with a billy club...
Thinking to take over a Pacific Hub. Okay continue the poem
Here's one: Three blind pastors, Three blind pastors, see how they hide, see how they hide, they all ran to the neocatechumenal way of life, tried to pierce our hearts with a butter knife, Have you ever seen anyone make such a strife, as the "Three Blind Pastors?"
Archbishop Tony who is full of baloney, how does your "NEO" group grow?With an evil chill, you send from the hill, And the church offering dough.
Something is really wrong with this picture. Look at it closely.
OMG! Do not look at the picture for more than 30 seconds. I got fixated on it and saw the gates of hell in his eyes!The AGONY!Save yourselves and do not look into his eyes.
Some of these so called mended marriages are a forced continuation of conditions that even the Church does not expect these persons to suffer. Pius forcing people to maintain very unhealthy relationships. PIUS. and why, oh why do the Neos always say they were suicidal??? The sad word comes up again and again. That alone is very disconcerting. VERY.
And you know this how?
David, how timely - cruxsancta.blogspot.com
David G....I know this because I am a person to whom people confide things. I've heard this story ad nauseum. I truly believe that people wind up suffering more, not less and their growth is stunted. Seems you can't see the forest for the trees. Satified David??
Hmmm... "I've heard" is a great way to put it. But where is your experience?
Hey, hey hey!! I just made a brilliant discovery! David G. Is another one of Diana's many personalities! These are the responses she makes on her award winning blog. WINNING
How is it any different than Mother Church's position on divorce? It's not. Divorce shouldn't be an option when the going gets rough or you're not getting your way. That's the problem with society these days. "It's okay to get a divorce when the marriage just isn't working out the way you want it to." Even the Church works to re-build marriages. Marriage can be a glorious thing, and it can be a cross for some. It's wrong to encourage someone to die to the other (Not literally, mind you) and to take up one's Cross? Perhaps, by doing so, that person will build their treasure in Heaven.
Tim the word evil was directed to u. It was for kiko.
Meant not to but kiko
Sect or Cult.. hmmm. I went. I listened. I joined. Convevance (?). I stayed for a while. I came to my senses and ran for my life. They followed. Guilt trips. Father Piss called to tell how I would go back to my horrible life. The PDN letters talk of NEO calling people when they are at dark places and introduce them.to God and bring them back to the church. Well they got most of it right. I was at a dark spot in my life, I was looking for God. Father Piss used to bring a Spanish guy with him and Pat. He was so humble, he showed me how to sing and pray, which I do every day. What the PDN girl didnt say is they quickly indoctrinate you into thinking Their Way..is the only way. Quickly superior to those not on Their Way. You went to Mass which satisfied Sunday obligations. Heckler 2 hours long, it satisfied 2 weeks worth of church. Cults have a leader, adept at psychological warfare and ambush tactics. The catechism is poised at the week and those in the dark. God is there watching..I pray he is there to catch the falling and fallen. I've seen give cars to the NEO, let people stay in apartments rent free for months. I won't chastise the kids that are born to serve God, but the dogma or procreate generously to bring more to do gods will leaves many with way too many kids to be supported. I recall once Father Piss ripped me for not wanting to go to the holy land and how I wasn't giving it all up yo Him... I told Father Piss if God wrote the check to the travel agent I'd go. A cult preys on those in the dark, and keeps them there with psychological antics and threats and my favorite. ..guilt. I still talk to God. I walk a straighter path than before. I'm looking for another church. But know Jesus git my six.
If you know of any other former neo's, encourage them to come foward. The world needs to hear your stories, whether they still go to church or not. I know that for some, it has left a bad taste in their mouth, and they had come to believe that, the neo is the church, so they just left church altogether.
Welcome back to the church! We really appreciate hearing from you because we do know that there are people, other than the leadership of the Neo, and are functioning as virtually good Catholics. We have heard that it is really hard to have a clean break away from the Neos without the guilt and the fear that they instill in the members that are wanting to re-join the main Church. They have been told that they will get sick or their family may suffer illness and even die! They were told that they were going to go back to their old and unholy lives and go straight to hell. Persecution and being judged have been cried out so much by the not-so-good Neos, but when you condemn your own members to hell because of leaving, this is a clear view that you yourselves are judging and persecuting..your very own members for doing what they are supposed to do...join to the Neo, learn, walk, then walk away and walk back to the Mother Church!!!The problems have been really with the leadership, Apuron, Pius, Quitugua and Cristobal! We all must pray and Write our letters to Krebbs!Please write your letters..it is so integral to reforming and the healing of our One Church.
Yes please have former neos speak up, with names to justify your claim. I mean since you are a former neo and you are right, use a name.
What, any name? Like Diana, for example? Or David G?
is Kiko the Anti Christ? Uses the Catholic Church and destroys it. The "Enemy Within"
11.40am a frightening story and my heart honestly goes out to you. However, do not allow this experience to distract you from the Faith of the church. May I suggest you talk to one of the many good priests or Religious sisters on Guam who can help you. It is not a reason to look for another church.Thank you for sharing this story on this page. it is important that people learn from your experience of this cult which has taken over the Catholic Church in the western Pacific.
Of course not, your name sweety! :) it would be better than Anon
David G. Sorry, but your integrity is rapidly sinking. You, who do not use your name (David G. doesn't count), are demanding that others use theirs. SMH.
David G or David Q? Like Diana and Adrian?
i know the NeoCats for a long time, did what i was told to do. And if you ask a question, you are called to Obedience. I finally got out after 22 years. My community finished the Way 8 years after, but no regrets. i know them in and out and Fr. Pius before he came to this island as itenerant catechist. Even read his thesis about the Way at the University of Santo Tomas.
I am sorry that you had a terrible experience, but there is no wrong in "giving" or lending a priest or seminarians or missionary families a vehicle or an apartment or clothing or food or a couple of bucks to get some new sandals or whatever. Lots of Catholics, not just here, but around the world give of themselves to help out parish priests in one way or another. It's much like if a family member or a friend comes to the island for a visit. One might "give" or lend those people a car to get around or a place to stay if it is within their means, right? Being "open to life" should never be seen as a burden. There are many families outside of The Way that have an abundance of children. Some of these families may have financial difficulty, but they are rich in their own right. Also, it's not like the catechists are in the bedroom monitoring you. Individuals control their own bodily functions. Who are we to deny the right to life? If it is God's will that you have many children, then that is God's will. If he wants you to have no children, then that is again, His will. The Way encourages life just like the Church wants it to do.When you say that Father Pius "ripped" you. Are you saying he yelled at you? Did he curse at you? Did he damn you to Hell? I didn't go to the Holy Land and I never received a "ripp[ing]" from him if this is what you mean by getting "ripped." He told me that I would be missing out on an experience and encouraged me to go, but it's not like he damned me for it. If it was matter of cost and a lack of finances, the catechists know that not everyone can afford to just get up and leave for a trip abroad. Isn't this why communities have car washes and bake sales and encourage individuals to go out and work for that money themselves? There are many youth that were not able to afford a trip, but they went out and saved up the money that they earned through their efforts if their families were unable to afford it. They also encourage the brothers to give money, if they want, to help the youths receive the experience of a WYD.It is not "their way" but God's way that they press upon individuals. They only tell you that Jesus is the way to salvation. If you wish to seek Him through The Way or through the traditional means, then you are always welcome to do so, but their is only one way that they espouse, and that is through Jesus Christ. Many people go to a catechesis, or a couple of them or complete the entire thing and then leave and go about their lives. It's okay. We know that individuals find God in their own way just like God presents himself to individuals in His own way. But, by no means is this one particular experience the same for all nor is it indicative of the experience in its entirety. Everyone has their own experience on what happened. Some better, some worse, much like me saying that the entire Church is messed up because I might have had a terrible experience with a very strict, disciplinarian priest in a particular parish years ago for not doing the right thing while serving mass. No, all priests are different, all parishes are different.
This movement was founded in Spain. I follow Rome, Italy which has three distinct spiritualities from its beginnings - Benedictine, Augustinian, and Franciscan. I'm a Franciscan!
Lord, please allow Tim Rohr to see the GLORY OF YOUR WILL!Please take away the deep anger he has, for only you know and understand his reasons.
Actually 3:13, my reasons are quite clear. Archbishop Apuron threatens and smears his priests. I don't like it. Easy. Too bad you don't care.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about. There's more people in the Neo than there is people on this island. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
The problem is more visible here due to the fact that the island is small! So what is happening is very obvious. Point blank, the Archbishop has to speak the truth.
If you are referring to the entire world, then yes there are more people that are in the NEO than compared to this Island.. But if you compare the entire world where people aren't in the NEO and will stand by what they believe. Then my friend you are WRONG!!! Please think before you type anything down...
That's right we have more people in the Neo than on this island....we also like to harbor molesters, then send them off when they're exposed, hahahahehehehhohohoho...Ooops!
Dear gloating anonymous at 3.15: it is estimated that the NCW can count on one million followers throughout the world. Since there are over 1.2 billion Catholic in the world.I let you do the math... if you can......Ahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!Knowledge is like Jam, the less you have the more you spread it.....obviously you like Jam..... Bon Appetit.....Pax Christi
@ August 08 3:54pm, @ August 08 3:15pm, thought he had one over you. Now I hope he realizes how wrong he is and accepts it. There is definitely more Neo in the world than the people of Guam. I don't know how he thought that was profound. He was comparing apples and oranges. So, who is laughing now?
Tim, you are actually mean by posting that post of August 08 3:15. Now, he can't even look at himself in the mirror without crying. I guess when you are brainwashed, you can't think straight anymore.
The main reason why I opposed the N.way was exactly because of the reason given in anon 3.43pm. I had seen the division of unity it had caused in England. I believed that if that division happened in a small pacific island it would become a greater problem. Fr. Pius was not happy with me at the time I told him. But I was right look at what has happened in Guam today. I strongly suggest the people of God continue to neutralize this cult operating in the church on Guam. They can have a small community but the leadership of any diocese should not be neo governed. Problem on Guam is that archbishop and his minions are neo owned and this has become a major ecclesial complexity for the local church. The only way for peace now is for the archbishop to leave and new non neo bishop appointed. There will never be peace on Guam why Apuron remains.
Neutralize, good word. Beats letting it die on the vine.
I don't like the clapping or charismatic things; I'm also not into Gregorian chanting. I like a medium size church with good atmosphere and good preaching from a down to earth priest. Any ideas? I live in Mangilao and used to drive to tumon, so driving isn't a huge deal unless you're thinking Merizo. Help me find a good priest and a nice church fellowship. Where is Father Andres? Father Eric say mass anywhere? My alternative is Christ Bible Fellowship? Tumon used to be ok? Miss that short filipino priest that used to run up and down marine drive. Where to go???
Dear 5:39. There is only one reason to be Catholic. Fr. Andre is the pastor at Agana Heights. Fr. Eric celebrates Mass at the Friary (we don't do "gregorian chanting"). I don't know the "short filipino priest who used to run". My suggestion would be wherever Fr. Paul or Msgr. James celebrates Mass. But the crowds, I understand, will not be "medium sized".
I go where I can receive Jesus, who is truly present...Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity, in the Holy Eucharist. That would be ONLY in the Roman Catholic Church. Oh, and I would find a Catholic Church without liturgical abuses and Neo pastors!
junglewatch is a tradiprotestant group.....like "traditio catholica" or "non possumus" blog in italy, Propaganda Fide knows these types of groups.
Tell me this man is not a megalomaniac of Hitleresque proportions.
With all the beutiful compositions to honor the Blessed Virgin, I like the words to this one the best...100 piece orchestra, 100 person choir, Kiko and his Guitar...La Virgen, La la la la la la la la la la la la la la! La Virgen La la la la la la la la la la la la THAT WAS KATCHY KIKO. Lots of people in the broiling sun. Hard to figure?**((*(^*%$$&$&% LA LA LA LA !
As I was watching the Travis Hoffman show with Father Adrian, i wondered why he was just very repetitive with his answers. When asked about the Mass being said in homes, hotel, etc. he scurried to grab the statutes, flipping through the pages to find the answer. For someone who has been in the NCW his answer should have been spontaneous.On the answer about leaving, he was not actually honest. My friend would be constantly called to urge him to return. This continued for many months until they realized that he had left for good.I never questioned my friend on his motives for joining or leaving. This was a personal and if he wanted to say something he would have.I am just sorry that I was not able to get to ask a question. So maybe someone can do so for me. My understanding is that the NCW have gone back and followed the ways of praying following the pattern of the Jews in the Old Testament. For them the Sabbath was a Saturday and rest of a Sunday. This Sabbath celebration is practice by the Seventh Day Adventist. I always believed that when Jesus Rose from the dead, as celebrated on Easter Sunday, this became the Lord's Day. Sunday was now the Holy day. That is why I believe that Pentecost is celebrated also on a Sunday.Father Adrian was not very clear about the journey. The statement about First feeding the body with milk like that of a baby then eating solid food a little at a time is I believe what is implanted in the minds of those walking. When one says that one of the ten points of the Pope is Sunday should be family day is taken out of proportion. He meant that Sunday should be a day of rest...no work. Spend time with your family. He didn't say that we shouldn't attend mass on Sunday. Now what? Should we just dismiss Sunday and and proclaim it Family Fun Day?I am sorry, but Father Adrian just isn't fully verse with the meaning of the NCW. I don't even know if he knows why he is there. In other words, he was beating around the bush and didn't give a solid answer.
So then you don't want to be with your family how sad are you this shows you you just don't want to be with your family
Pope Francis is aware of the Neos' tactics when a member wishes to leave the Way. He said to a group of Neos in Feb:"I would like to propose to you some simple recommendations...The first is to have the utmost care to build and to preserve the communion within the particular Churches in which you will work...Communion is essential sometimes it can be better to renounce living in all the details that your itinerary demands, in order to ensure the unity among those who form one ecclesial community, of which you must always feel that you are part...The Neocatechumenal Way, as an itinerary of discovery of one’s own baptism, is a demanding road, along which a brother or a sister can come upon unforeseen difficulties. In these cases, the exercise of patience and of mercy on the part of the community is a sign of maturity in the faith. The freedom of each person must not be forced, and even the eventual choice of someone who decides to seek, outside of the Way, other forms of Christian life that help him to grow in the response to the call of the Lord must be respected."Read the Pope's complete address at: http://en.radiovaticana.va/storico/2014/02/01/pope_to_neocatechumenal_way_build_ecclesial_communion,_evangelize/en1-769304Eileen Benavente-Blas
Anonymous August 9, 1:04a - Great logic there. Of all the things that Anonymous 8:35p pointed out, that is the one retort that compelled you to reply?
"For them the Sabbath was a Saturday and rest of a Sunday. This Sabbath celebration is practice by the Seventh Day Adventist. I always believed that when Jesus Rose from the dead, as celebrated on Easter Sunday, this became the Lord's Day. Sunday was now the Holy day. That is why I believe that Pentecost is celebrated also on a Sunday."Is this any different from going to evening mass on Saturday to fulfill one's Sunday obligation? In addition, the Easter vigil is held all through the night in to the early morning hours of Sunday, sometimes before the sunrises and as I have experienced a few times, after the sun rises.When one completes the catechesis, they are entered in to the Book of Life with their fellow community members. They are now part of a community, a family if you will. I don't see any harm in reaching out to your "family" and calling them up and asking them to join you in a celebration. When something special arises and I am asked to contact brothers and sisters who have not walked for a while, I don't lay guilt trips on them or tell them they are going to Hell if they don't do it our way or whatever, I simply tell them that "Hey, if you've got the time and want to come, this is happening at this time on this day at this place." If they don't show up, then they don't show up. No harm, no foul.
This photograph deeply disturbing. Just does something to my interior. They eyes are.....well you know.
Those dark circles are because Guam is making King Kiko lose sleep. Poor thing.
Just take quick glance at pic cuz ur gonna get immediate gastro intestinal siege. Takes a while to recover. Eeeeeewwww.
I guess they all have the same look in their eyes. Look at AAA's eyes, deceiving. Scary , that's why the Necats are brainwashed
That is so true! Let's see Carmen the coarse woman with all the eyeliner! Wanna look into her eyes too. But not for long. While we are whacking away at Kiko and Gennarini...she's probably laughing her head off and at the center of "international operations" .
Yup, for sure. Carmen, the coarse woman is the Boss. And this is not a joke. SHE IS. And she is the brilliant theologian, too. And she is treated like a QUEEN by Cardinal Dziwisz. Isn't that nice? A girl likes to be pampered once in a while. St. John Paul had a couple of blind spots. Poor Kiko, bet he gets beat up a lot. Frying pans, bibles, umbrellas, whatever is handy. The one, the only, the beautiful Carmen Hernandez! Yay! Clap Clap Clap.