Tuesday, April 18, 2017

MORE OF THE SAME FROM THE NCW

Posted by Frenchie

Earlier this year, Pius the Putrid Monk and the main actor for the NCW on Guam, snuck back on the island, (he had been sent packing by Archbishop Hon)  taking advantage of Archbishop Byrnes return to Detroit, for the Holidays, in order to finalize his move to our shores.



Not long after, we witnessed an all out offensive by The Putrid, who encouraged the presbyters not to follow instructions, and organized his yearly "call to joy".

A week after the Call to Joy at the Cathedral, the Rector sent a memorandum to all staff and parishioners, in regards to what the rules and celebrations were, as well as the use of the premises.
That memorandum basically reaffirmed the GIRM and clarified a few housekeeping issues at the Basilica.

While Fr Paul went for a well deserved rest, he left very specific instructions for Fr Jucatan, regarding his duties and other recommendations.

Tim, myself and several others warned at the time about the two speeds the Archdiocese was now functioning under. The one at the Cathedral, and the rest of the island, where parishioners were left hostage to an endless list of heretical developments mostly at the hands of the presbyters.

In the meantime, we found out that not only had Pius been back to rally his troops, but that he also celebrated Mass instead of one of the Presbyters, (without the Bishop authorization) who had decided, without asking to take time off.

It was also discovered that Jucatan, had decided on his own to attend one of his community's get-togethers, and asked Edivaldo to replace him for a Sunday Mass. Problem being that Edivaldo, had been instructed not to partake in any activity at the Cathedral, and that Jucatan never got authorization to do what he did.

What the Archbishop had on his hands was a full blown challenge of his authority by the presbyters.

He acted swiftly.  Pius was sent packing back to Malta, with correspondence about Pius' misdeeds to all the proper authorities.

The Archbishop also very publicly reached out to the NCW with an open letter, reaffirming the need to follow the GIRM, and giving a two weeks period to get in line.

An Aviso told us that Edivaldo was on leave until October, and Jucatan is known to be off for three months. I am sure we will find out more later.

The new Head Catechist for Guam is now David Atienza the amateur Historian, Guam University professor, and professor at the RMS. He met with Archbishop Byrnes to assure him that the NCW will comply with his instructions and be respectful of his office.

So far so good would you say. But as the old English TV series Title was: " Keeping up appearances", this is all that was happening.

Chuck White gave us a hint a few days back, regarding Kiko's instructions to his troops. Please refer back to Chuck's posting.

So.....what do we have now?

I shall tell you what: unfortunately more of the same.

It appears, that rather than follow the Archbishops instructions as promised, the Neos decided to  follow their Guru's.

So on Easter, instead of celebrating with the parishes, they celebrated at David Atienza's Residence.

If that is not a direct disobedience of the Archbisop's instructions, and the recommendations of the Pope himself, then I sure do not know what it is.

How long is this charade going to continue? Until someone decide to let the hammer down?
We know from experience that the Neos believe they are better than most of us, and that rules do not apply to them. Now we have another proof of their total disregard for the true Church.

61 comments:

  1. As for Jucatan, he has been overheard boasting that when he goes on "mission" during his leave of absence, he will be creating new ncw communities, despite the call for a moratorium because Abp Byrnes has no authority over him on Palau.

    The rotten fruit on full display.

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    1. Hmm. Wondering who is behind facilitating NCW entrance into Palau? Spn2

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    2. You are entirely correct Jose, now the question remains what are we going to do with them here on Guam. They are disobedient, and boastful. Whomever the Archbishop has named to monitor their compliance won't be able to sweep it under the proverbial rug.

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    3. Monitor compliance😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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    4. Go in peace, Jucutan. No one will buy you aimless rambling in Palau or anywhere. Just get a job and be done with it sheesh. big fail. Leave of absence. Right.

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    5. Frenchie, Frenchie, Frenchie. Diana says: FATHER PIUS IS THE LEAD CATECHIST FOR GUAM. After all, didn't that boob stand up to be recognized as part of esteemed Guam persecuted delegation to worship Kikobird?

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    6. Pretty breezy this morning as I walked on the beach. Some bad smell wafted through the air. Pius isn't here is he?

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    7. Where is the Reverend Edivaldo exercising his priestly ministry now. Faithful should be aware. And where is Harold the eloquent shouter!

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    8. Well anon at 6.31 Pius has been declared persona non grata in this Diocese.
      Officially the lead Catechist is David Atienza.
      Please note that the Neos could have chosen one of the many locals that have sworn allegiance to the cult, but they chose a Spaniard, after a Maltese.
      (Maybe Dr Bevacqua should talk to his colleague about decolonization)
      That being said, it is certainly a reality that Pius continues to pull the strings from afar. This nefarious and dangerous individual will not relent in his destructive work.
      As far as the Archdiocese is concerned, Atienza is the NCW interlocutor. What they cook up behind their walls, is up to them.
      From the level of bile and negativity coming from the Neos lately, I have no doubt that Pius is behind most of it. Even though he is not physically present here.

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  2. i'm not surprised. the neocats' authority isn't the magisterium in communion with the pope, but kiko, pseudo-legitimized by his backers in the vatican.

    i'm curious as to why the neocats continue to feel so emboldened as to challenge the authority of archbishop byrnes. do they just not care anymore? or are they so blinded by their cult that they don't see how wrong they are? or do they see guam as too small to be concerned about it impacting their worldwide syndicate?

    maybe the neocats should be more cautious about that--if and when a discipline of the ncw by archbishop brynes happens, he may not be the only one to do it.

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    1. The Kikos are an "ends justifies the means" dictatorship. Lie, cheat, steal...doesn't matter. Ends justifies the means.

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    2. There is a sufficient approach, which betrays arrogance. It is kind of a one, two punch.
      They most likely are testing how far they can go, without being called to task.
      We shall see if this is reported to the Bishop, through the channel he established himself, or if perhaps a courageous priest takes them to task. I would say we should find out sooner than later. One way or another, this is pulling on the rubber band to the point of rupture.

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  3. This only gives Arch. Byrnes a chance to really show his authority. He can show that this direct, malicious and full defiance is unacceptable and will be corrected immediately.

    I have the confidence to say that we can stand with Archbishop Byrnes in removing these neocancers off our island. Like cancer, radiation and therapy are necessary. In this worse case scenario, amputation is a must. Neos are showing that a mere moratorium is not enough. They have to be eradicated from our church!

    No more NeoCancers!

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    1. Yes, you are right in the diagnosis. I suspect Archbishop Byrnes, gave them a moratorium and a grace period, as enough rope to hang themselves.
      Unlike the Bishops in Japan, they won't be able to say, he did not give them a chance to fix it.
      Pretty shrewd if you ask me.
      By the same token, we must remain vigilant, and denounce all their challenges, when we are made aware of it. Byrnes will need all the ammo he can get.
      I am not sure the priest charged with monitoring them will have the chutzpah to take them to task.

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    2. Uhhhm. No . Not a clue.

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  4. Right out of the horses mouth. Do they even realize what they say. A very good liar these neo's .....Here you go. Read it for yourself Archbishop Byrnes. Not a bad advice Diana/may/maybe/mae "All you need to do is write your letter to Rome." Better yet, Arch. Byrnes is just a walk away.

    DianaMarch 31, 2017 at 9:59 AM
    Dear Anonymous at 9:15 am,

    The OP is not about the Directory. Please stick to the OP. It should be obvious that some Catholics on Guam believe that they do not need the Pope and Bishops to guide them so long as they claim to have the Holy Spirit. This is not and never has been Catholic Teaching.

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    DianaMarch 23, 2017 at 5:52 PM
    Dear Anonymous at 4:11 pm,

    When Pope Francis made that speech about correcting the Catechists and the communities of the Way, he was addressing the Bishops. Only Rome and Bishops have the authority to tell us what to do. You are not the bishop and therefore have no authority to tell the NCW what to do. All you need to do is write your letter to Rome.

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  5. More from the French resistance: Not only did the Neos did an Easter Vigil at Atienza, but they also did an Easter Vigil in Umatac, separate from the regular Vigil. This is in full contradiction of Archbishop Byrnes specific instructions.
    It is kind of sad that Julius went along with this,as he is probably the more salvageable presbyter of the whole bunch.
    What else are we going to find out?

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    1. Wasn't there a vigil at RMS?? That's what I heard. What the hell, it's free and hotel costs bug bucks. Guess we won't be seeing lovely spring ordination (with neo music) of four deacon candidates. Will we? What are those guys, Preston and company doing? Strutting around RMS in clerics? Impressive. Not.

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    2. Many questions that I shall try to answer in an upcoming piece on the seminary

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  6. The NCW obeys God not man! God has given Kiko the charism and he is the prophet! He is absolutely honest, trustworthy, humble, self effacing and obedient to the Pope! GOT IT!!!

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    1. And he's still a man. Get it?

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    2. Anon @6:48, God has sent his only begotten son. He does not need to send a prophet. Christ is the ultimate, the fulfillment of all prophets. Kiko sent himself into the world, he conned you to follow hims, and you misfits proclaimed him a prophet, er a profit. Kiko is so proud of himself, he is a deceiver, teaches heretical doctrines, and disobedient to church authority.

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    3. How dare you! Kiko is a saint just look at the fruit!

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    4. Division, Hate and Discontent, Heretical Teaching, Deceit, Lies after Lies, oh yes, the fruits of the NCW. It speaks loudly of the tree.

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    5. Rotten fruit.

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  7. 6:48 Nope, I don't get it. Self prophets the worst kind.

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  8. Yes, I also heard that a Easter Vigil was held at RMS.

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  9. Guamanian kikos are to be warned: we have all their secret catechesis... we are working on them... more to come soon...

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    1. Easter Vigil with the Jacuzzi is the real one. Uh, huh.

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  10. If it is God's work it will flourish despite the opposition

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    1. Perhaps Anon April 19, 2017 06:01 AM has not read the Gospel Parable "Another parable he put before them, saying, "The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field; but while men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also. And the servants of the householder came and said to him, 'Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then has it weeds?' He said to them, 'An enemy has done this.' The servants said to him, 'Then do you want us to go and gather them?' But he said, 'No; lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them. Let both grow together until the harvest; and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.'" So flourishing is not a good measure that it is God's work. The NCW is a prime example.

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    2. The devil's work is infectious. Ask the doctor.

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  11. Byrnes shouldn't have given the Neocats more time to clean up their filthy act. His moratorium was perfectly clear and they intentionally ignored it. He should excommunicate their butts en masse and let them know who's boss. If he continues to mollycoddle those devils, they'll eat him alive.

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  12. I was told by some Asan Parishioners that there was an all night vigil held at their parish on Holy Saturday and they were surprised to see that the pews were rearranged into neo style worship complete with the jacuzzi bath tub in the middle when they came in on Easter morning. It was upsetting to some of the genuine Catholic parishioners who were not expecting to see the church done up that way. Sad...they should've returned the pews back to the regular way and removed the bath tub. It ruined Easter for a number of the faithful in Asan.

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    1. Big deal if the pews were rearranged... The mass was celebrated just like it is done throughout the world during easter, christmas and every holy day of obligation, same entrance hymn, same readings, same this same that.. get over yourself and your petty gripes! Unless you were there, you would have seen how beautiful and uplifting the celebration was..

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    2. Jacuzzi bathtub?!!! WTH!!! If I'd seen that thing in the church, it would be in pieces...along with the Pastor and Neocats who put it there.

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    3. Hey, don't knock it! There is one in our parish and we ARE NOT Neos!

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    4. Thanks for the admission 4:39 PM. The NCW Statute, per Article 13 footnote 49 (ref. Letter from CDW 12/1/2005) requires you to to pass from your illicit form of celebration "with a cloth-covered table placed at the center of the church instead of the dedicated altar in the sanctuary."

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    5. Dear anon at 4.39, the fact that you think that it is not a
      "big deal" shows the depth of your ignorance.
      If you want to play cumbaya and rearrange the furniture, you should do it in a non consecrated church, or in a protestant temple. I hear some Swedish Lesbian Lutheran Archbishop even has reserved part of her Church for prayers for Muslims, I am sure she will find it in her heart to help another lost soul like you.
      The fact that you cannot even follow your Statute, even less the direct instructions from our own Archbishop is sufficient to show you are putting yourself outside of the Catholic Church, and this my little friend is a "Big Deal"

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    6. @4:39 PM, Yes it is a very big deal to compare your banquet to the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, incidently its purpose is not primarily to be uplifting for anyone but to give worship to God offered by Christ, the High Priest and victim through the workings of the Holy Spirit. Our role is participation in the worship, receiving supernatural graces through salutary effects we become benefactors of this great celebration. Expecting to be uplifted is surely something one would expect from a cult environment, hence this desire and need in your NCW banquet.

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    7. Anon 11:53 a.m. that's nothing to be proud of. It sounds
      like your parish is still mired in the type of Vatican II abuses most US dioceses eradicated 30 years ago. Even the worst bishops here wouldn't tolerate Jacuzzis in their churches. Like hot tubs, Jacuzzis belong in gyms, physical therapy and backyards.

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  13. What about Adriana?
    Will Archbishop Byrnes Give him a plum position in Chancery in June?

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    1. Yes, I think he'll be positioned as a plum. (What a visual.)

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    2. Same question I asked. Hopefully, Byrnes will have sense enough to sideline him.

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  14. Remember it is said there are three popes in today's Catholic Church: Francis, the white one; the superior of jesuits order, the black pope and Kiko Argüello, the lay pope.
    There are one million and a half "catholics" in the world who only obey Kiko Argüello, over their bishops, cardinals and popes.
    Kiko and his followers do not need bishops, popes or parishes, they are a truly paralel church.
    Sad, very sad.

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    1. I thought there is a red pope in Filoni Balony..

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    2. False, very false.

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  15. Well at least, now we know that the Neos never intended to follow Archbishop's Byrnes demands.
    We know that beside having a Vigil at Atienza's residence, ( a private home and not a consecrated place) they also had Vigils separate from the parishes in Asan, in Umatac, and at RMS, which obviously is in contradiction with what they had agreed to.
    Now, whom ever the "monitor"is that was tasked to follow adhesion to the Archbishop's instructions, can follow up on these leads to investigate.
    Let watch and see what comes out of this disobedience.
    What actions or lack of actions shall be taken, will tell us a lot on the direction we are going.

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    1. MOAB in order here. Who could believe these creatures!

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    2. Frenchie, you should have known from the outset that the Neocats had no intention of obeying Bp. Byrnes. They've never operated in good faith.

      I wonder if Apuron held an illicit Easter Vigil in the private California home where he was found hiding.



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    3. Dear anon at 2.09: of course we suspected that the Neocats would not obey Archbishop Byrnes. But since the Archbishop himself gave them the benefit of the doubt, and another chance to do the right thing, it was normal for us to do as much.
      Do not forget that Byrnes has not been exposed to this heresy as long as we have. This is his learning curve.
      It actually does help to demonstrate their lack of good faith and their disobedience.

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    4. Janet B - MangilaoApril 21, 2017 at 11:43 AM

      Yes, Frenchie, you are right. Abp Byrnes gave the NCW the benefit of the doubt, because he hoped and believed that he could use his authority to reel them back into the real Church. We had no such delusions, but we owe it to Abp Byrnes since he is the Ordinary.

      However, it is time for Abp Byrnes to see this problem for what it is. This is a real problem, not an imaginary issue made up by Tim Rohr and others. It is a problem that Jesus faced 2,000 years ago.

      Fanatics, then and now, put themselves above others. They make themselves superior to others to elevate their otherwise abysmal self-esteem. I remember the Pharisee's prayer, Oh Lord, thank you for not making me like that miserable one. I am so much better. All Kikos have memorized that in their hearts.

      The one big difference: 2,000 years ago these zealots actually followed the law, to an exacting point. So much so that the law was more important than anything else. But the Pharisees were following man-made laws that did not consider the heart of God.

      In the last 2,000 years, our Church has created laws that establish the will of God as Jesus directed. And we see that for those self-exaulted ones, the NCW kikos especially, the pendulum has swung 180 degrees.

      Now, instead of meticulously following the laws of God and His Church, the NCW openly defy the laws. They create their own heretical catechesis, they create their own liturgical abuses, and they have created a hierarchy completely outside of the Church.

      But they are strikingly similar to the Pharisees that Jesus encountered in some ways. They spurn those who do not subscribe to their cult group. The means justify the ends. And when pressured by the truth they find ways to appear to love truth, while bending and breaking it in the darkness.

      This whole Easter Vigil orchestrated defiance of their Archbishop should serve as a sobering reality check. Abp Byrnes gave them a foot of rope, and they took a mile. That should be just enough rope to hang them all (figuratively).

      Abp Byrnes must now act with resolve to rein in his rogue priests who defied his letter by conducting separate and exclusive masses. Some of these were done in homes, and all were done on tables and not altars.

      The NCW actions show they are absolutely committed to fomenting disunity by celebrating separate vigils outside and away from the parish. It IS time to pull out the MOAB and rid ourselves of this disease.

      Innocent lives who have joined the "Way" are at spiritual risk. And that is one issue a bishop must address.

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  16. Again? Nobody is in charge of the Catholic Churches on Guam.

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    1. You might be pleasantly surprised sooner than later.
      If we do see some change, we will need to support it, and hope that it will spread like oil.

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    2. Frenchie, that makes no sense whatsoever. It's like letting cancer spread just to see how effective the treatment is. Unless the life-threatening disease is stopped cold in its early stage, it puts its host through an agonizing death.

      Are you going to tolerate another 30 years of this Neocat shit, or what? They're making total fools of everyone, starting with Bp. Byrnes.

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    3. What do you expect Frenchie to do about it? More importantly, what are YOU going to do about it?

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    4. I don't have to do anything, Tim. Bp. Byrnes is the one who has to put some teeth into his moratorium. So far, it's meaningless. The Neocats made a travesty of Easter, the Church's highest Holy Day, and got away unpunished again.



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    5. It's the "it's not MY problem" attitude. SMH. We, dear people, are the ones to effectuate change. Do not depend on others to fight "our" fight. Each of us is responsible in ensuring things are followed in our parishes. If you talk the talk, walk it too.

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    6. No, you don't have to do anything. So I'll do it.

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