Friday, September 19, 2014

THE SEE IS VACANT

A Saipan observer noted that yesterday was the 81st birthday of Bishop Tomas Camacho, the former bishop of the Diocese of Chalan Kanoa, Saipan. Bishop Camacho retired on April 6, 2010 and is now "bishop emeritus" of the diocese.

More than four years later, his successor has yet to be named, and the Diocese of Chalan Kanoa remains on the official list of "Vacant Sees". 

Normally, upon (ore even before) the retirement, transfer, or death of a bishop, the process of identifying a successor begins without delay. Apparently, there was such a process. But according to some who are "in the know", it has not only mysteriously stalled, there is no initiative from Rome to even restart it. 

Why?

The "in the know" people say that Saipan will get a new bishop when Guam does, and...Rome has its reasons. The end...maybe.

37 comments:

  1. Under the current system, when a diocese needs a new bishop the papal representative, or nuncio, in each country consults with clergy and others in the diocese and national hierarchy and sends a list of candidates and their dossiers to the Congregation for Bishops in Rome. Consultation complete..........??????? Then silence.

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  2. It is said that Archbishop Krebs will ordain a new priest in Saipan at the end of the year. The seminarian was trained in Rome. I bet the topic of a new bishop will come up...

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  3. Fr. Cristobal is awaiting his appointment as the 2nd Bishop of Chalan Kanoa.
    Monsignor David also awaits the same appointment.

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    1. Not gonna happen.

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    2. Pope to new bishops: Do not fall into the temptation of wanting to change your people! Hot off the press today.

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    3. Bishop Camacho supports election of bishop elect Cristobal.

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    4. Names on the short list were all leaked by the chancery. Some of the names on the list have already been beheaded . Intention is to behead all possible candidates so Rome has no choice but to point Cristobal or Monsignor David. Guam and Mariana Islands are now under the management of Neo. Any priest not following this will be beheaded like Monsignor James.

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    5. What is wrong with Father Isaac Ayuyu? Doesn't he qualify to be a Bishop?

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    6. I hope Rome is smart enough not to install ANY NCW priest as bishop in Saipan, Guam or anywhere. I'm surprised to read Anonymous @2:31's comment saying Bishop Camacho supports Fr. Cristobal as bishop of Saipan. I had heard for years that Bishop Camacho wanted Msgr. Benavente as bishop of Saipan. That makes more sense. I've heard from a reliable source that Fr. Cristobal is the one behind the most especially cruel actions done in the archbishop's name, i.e. having Fr. Paul locked out of his rectory office and residence-not the kind of "priest" you want as a bishop.

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    7. Fr. Ayuyu never made the short list .

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    8. Bishop Elect Cristobal doesn't stand a chance....so forget it. REALLY, forget it. A lot of things to come out yet; that;s for sure. Stay tuned.

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    9. @3:34 pm. IF the Chancery leaked the list of names, that is a serious breach. I should know. AND I am ashamed for whoever did leak this information. Any wonder no one has been appointed. And, I am anonymous.

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    10. Much more to be revealed in the Jungle stay tuned.

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    11. Cristobal believes he will be consecrated bishop by January 2015 .

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    12. Poor CNMI. Adrienne is not capable of this role. I also heard Pale Eric was a candidate for Bishop of Saipan. I think the people of CNMI would rather have Pale Eric.

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    13. Cristobal or David is welcome to be bishop of cnmi. After all they have episcopal rings already purchased. Question is what can they do for the church in the Cnmi? Any fool can dress up as a bishop but few have the gifts to be a spiritual shepherd to priests and people. Cnmi now needs a bishop who has spiritual depth to lead the diocese in the right direction in the mind and heart of Pope Francis. Cnmi needs a man of God to lead us.

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  4. Thank you for announcing the visitation of Archbishop Krebs to Saipan. Awaiting confirmation from Archbishop Krebs office on the visitation.

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    1. It is true cristobal is behind the organized plan to remove Monsignor James.

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    2. He kept a very low profile during Visitation. Lots of work to do, huh? Poor Adrian.

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  5. Honestly all I hope and pray for is, we get a new one and a non neo one. I hope these rumbles just means they are signs that we will get a new one sooner rather than later.

    Thank you for sharing a tidbit of good news. The archbishops actions and words have got very tiresome and they are at the opposite spectrum of inspiration, kindness and love.

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    1. Is AAA still the superior for the Bishop of Saipan....he will still have to follow whatever AAA tells him?

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  6. Hmmm, what will happen to the RMS and the priests who come out of it IF we had a non neo bishop? Will this bishop have or not have THE say in who is ordained or not?

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    1. A seminary cannot exist without an Ordinary. They are "supposed " to be under control of said Ordinary. this is another OOG thing wherein a lay person is calling the shots...

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  7. Saipan church pray for the unification of Guam and the Mariana Islands . It is wished by many that the Diocese of Chalan Kanoa will be returned to the Archdiocese of Agana Guam creating the Archdiocese of Guam and the Mariana islands. on his 81st birthday this is the prayer of Bishop camacho.unification of Saipan and Guam in one archdiocese.

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  8. Seems like the pope has a very clear message to careerists like the two on the hill. pope states " careerist Priests have early sell by dates. " Do you hear this on the hill? pope continues " without letting yourselves be lulled to sleep or conforming to a nostalgic complaint of a golden past that is already gone.". I guess the two on the hill are exactly " sell by dates" and to most on Guam they have already gone.

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  9. Impossible for anyone at be appointed to Saipan at this point in time. Rome will make no appointment for at least four more years.

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    1. Care to explain why you think Rome will not appoint a new bishop for Saipan for at least four more years? I find it hard to belief that Saipan, which has been without an active bishop for the past three or four years will continue to be without a bishop. How has Saipan been meeting the spiritual needs of its people without a spiritual leader in the person of a shepard bishop?

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    2. I am told that Saipan will not receive a new bishop so long as Bishop Camacho is alive, even though he is retired. I don't know the reason behind this and am working to find out more.

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    3. Saipan diocese very disturbing as is the former bishop.

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    4. Maybe the Higher ups do not want Saipan to have a bishop so that it can be under the Archdiocese of Agana. Full control.....that is probably why they sent Father Jason there so that the NCW can be in full swing once it is under the purview of Triple A.

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    5. At one time NCW wished to capture and control Saipan . However, no longer possible.

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    6. 1:08AM are you sure about that? I hear they are growing in numbers...I heard through the great vine that Holly is going there to be a catechist.

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  10. Tim has gone again on a frenzy enumerating all the ills of our society in Guam. This foreigner dares to vilify and denigrate our island so ferociously. If he does not like it, he can go back to his place of origin.

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    1. You are posting your comment on the wrong post. Here, let me help you: http://www.junglewatch.info/2014/09/the-devil-in-diocese.html

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    2. 11.28pm. At least you acknowledge there are ills in the church in Guam. Slowly these ills are revealed to society.

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    3. Marilu D. MartinezJanuary 17, 2015 at 1:58 AM

      I will venture to say that 11:28PM does not have ancestral roots on Guam, either; yet, such mean-spiritness!

      It is not against our island that we, Concerned Catholics, join Tim in his ferocious fight. We Catholics -- wanting to remain faithful to our Catholic Faith, as a matter of fact -- join Tim in ferociously preserving the True Catholic Church of Guam and the Catholic way of worship and reverence in the Holy Sacrifice of The Mass. What's so wrong in that when it is our Catholic Faith and Church?

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  11. They were just right.

    Hon: June 6, 2016.
    Ryan: June 24, 2016.

    Hmm... Peope "in the know" were quite right.

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