Wednesday, October 8, 2014

STOP TRYING TO FOOL EVERYONE

  1. Does this extra "class" count towards their certification? I don't think so. You can't just make up classes. This is why educational institutions need structured curriculum. You can't just bounce students/seminarians from one class to another without proper prerequisites. It's good that our traditional diocesan priests are making the time for these young men, but it has to be structured and incorporated into a curriculum that is accepted worldwide. What if one of these young men wanted to transfer to another diocese/seminary? He can't claim this extra "class" as a credit. Guam's church leaders need to get off their high horses and stop all this masquerading. Get down to the real business of building bridges and doing what's right for ALL God's people. Stop trying to fool everyone with this boarding house. It's not a real seminary.

70 comments:

  1. I don't know about fools, but is Father Louis Camacho RMS all stressed out that he can't say the masses during the week leading up to the parish fiesta this coming weekend?

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    1. Maybe you didn't know or maybe you were fooled......fr luis did offer but coverage was already found and booked......see you at the fiesta my fellow umatican.

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    2. What does "umatican" mean?

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  2. Every four months passed is a semester lost. They are all at different levels of education. Where are RMS getting undergrad???? Oh, I forgot you get ordained with an undergraduate degree. Someone stop this ride so the sensible ones can get off.

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  3. Neo priests attempt to fool all of the people all of the time, which is impossible. They complete a quick study of Scripture and depend on the Holy Spirit for inspiration in interpretation. They are unaware that the Holy Spirit does not inspire heretics. Eventually, they will burnout and wither leaving irrepairable harm in our community of faith. Chamorro history will show this period of time as "tiempon homhom", or the dark period in our faith journey.

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    1. "Eventually, they will burnout" Right, that would be about the time they "go on mission". after they screwed the pooch and leave the parish in shambles. LOL

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    2. Yes, burn out eventually they will. But at what price to us? They destroyed this community, took our money, and left our parishes in disorder.

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    3. Yes. The price of silence: ours.

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    4. Yes, they will eventually burn out and wilt. But before that they will get wildly angry and take it out on the faithful. Think we've already seen some the the anger flaring. Anger part of the dying process. (If they go too wild, they send them to evangelize somewhere else in the world) "Missionaries, ahem"

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    5. Yes, the missionaries will be really on fire! That they had to move from Guam where the livin is easy.

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  4. I'm lost. What extra class?

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    1. Apparently, the seminarians at the "other" seminary, who actually study at the neo seminary, are in need of an extra class in order to unlearn what they are taught at the neo seminary so they can be real diocesan priests. In other dioceses where RMS seminaries are present, it is usually the other way around. There is first the REAL seminary, the actual diocesan seminary, at which the neo seminarians study, and then they are taught there neo ways separately. Of course the real question is, if it really is the same church and the same liturgy, why then two different paths of study and training? Answer: their liturgy is different and their theology is different.

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    2. Exactly right Tim. They need to be taught the kiko theology of, "the church was in apostasy until I came along, and I really am an angel sent by God to save the church".

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    3. These NCW priests who are sent away "on mission" aren't publicly attacked, slandered and humiliated like our real non-NCW priests are. Even when they are sent away they are treated with the gentleness and respect our real priests don't receive.

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    4. Phony, Tony Baloney, blessing the cassock and surplice of Malojloj guys. NOTE: the RMS seminarians NEVER wear the Black Cassock and Surplice. The choir attire of seminarians. They are different! They wear the Alb the sign of Baptism! Significant to NCW, right? So cruel.

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  5. This poor educational system and confusion in the academic system is going to lead to a generation of confused priests not really knowing the teaching of the church.

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    1. As a Catholic School product and a Church minister for over 50 years, and seeing how those NEO priest screw up their celebration of Mass, I feel better qualified to conduct the celebration myself. Maybe that's where all this is leading to. Another protest and the beginnings of a new faith journey. Don't forget, the Chamorros had their own religion before Sanvitores.

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  6. The future of the Church on Guam doesn't look so good. I can already foresee the Nonneo Priests/clergy and Neo priests trying to resolve their differences. Oh wait! That already happened. I guesse its just going to get worse than it already is.

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  7. Would any of our Neo Priests with the level of education and ability they have be ordained TODAY in Chicago, Baltimore, San Francisco, Orange, Miami or ANY Diocese in the Mainland? How would he stand up to graduate of St. Joseph, Dunwoodie? Huh? Even they know the answer themselves. We know the answer. What did the Rector Magnificent think? The normal approach is there is the Diocesan Seminary fully accredited. The Seminarians live there. The NEO Seminarians attend the Diocesan Seminary NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. The intent of the benefactor was Yona Facility was for the Seminary of the Archdiocese! Anyone free to help move the Neos down to Malojloj? And then the nagging question: where is the faculty? Besides Fr. Walsh. (who by the way the seminarians cannot understand). What was that percentage of our Parishes with Neo Pastors?

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    1. Did that bishop from Rome sent to evaluate "our" NCW seminary last year ever make a report? If so, why wasn't the results of the evaluation made public?

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    2. Have been waiting to ask this. Given how much the Archbishop loves to tout the seminary and all things neo, one would think he would have printed a favorable report on the front page of the U Matuna....but not a word.

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  8. A Chinese bishop who suffered 14 years of imprisonment and forced labor at the hands of the Communist regime has died at the age of 89.

    Born in 1925, Bishop John Chrysostom Lan Shi was ordained to the priesthood in 1954 and arrested in 1965. With the mandate of the Holy See, he was ordained coadjutor bishop of Sanyuan in central China in 2000.

    The prelate died on September 21, and the Fides news agency and Vatican website reported on his death on October 8.
    HERE IS EVANGELIZATION IN CHINA! TRUE AND TESTED.

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    1. The Chinese mission of the NeoCat is apparently fake. We read at Diana that their seminary is in Hong Kong, a safe city where they can get all benefits of the Western culture they want. However, they do not dare to to to mainland cities where people would ridicule them. They talk about 5 seminaries established in China but these are more like home schooling facilities without significant number of students. Arguello is a master of disguise and eager to sell appearances rather than real facts. Hopefully, Rome will figure out their mischievous tricks and won't support their fake mission on the expense of true Catholic projects in the traditional main line of the Church.

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  9. Tim, the visit of the Rector the same at the visit of Apostolic Delegate...not long enough to accomplish much. The Rector was whirled and twirled around the island. Very little time for assessment. Big photo op. HOWEVER, the Arch was a wreck.

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  10. Agnes, I misread your comment and at first thought you said the Bishop from Rome came to EVACUATE our NCW Seminary....THAT would have been better. ha

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    1. I think nearly every non-NCW person who reads this blog would rejoice if the bishop from Rome would evacuate "our" NCW seminary and remove the NCW contagion from Guam.

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  11. DI_NA sure does get a lot done during the day....she goes to bed at 9:00pm No night life. : (

    AnonymousOctober 9, 2014 at 6:23 PM
    Diana REVEAL yourself or keep quiet. Does KIKO approve of your masked missionary work? Diana the Dishonest. Your gig is up. Don't you feel just a little bit guilty? A teeny weenie bit? Diana, did the Apostles do thier work in secret using a false name? NO. Soon I am going to ask the Archbishop personally if you are approved by him. He is coming to our parish. Very Soon. Alot of people will be interested in his answer. His face will turn RED. Just wait. That's what happens when you lie.


    DianaOctober 9, 2014 at 9:01 PM
    Dear Anonymous at 6:23 pm,

    Do I feel a little guilty? Nope! I am going to sleep now. Good night.

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    1. Hey, Diana, Anything else to say 15 minutes till sleepy time. Nite

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  12. -The family of the deceased do not have time to argue the details with Presbyter Luis Camacho.
    -The family of the deceased are definitely NOT LIARS!

    -They were told that there were too many days dedicated to their loved one's memory, too many nights of Rosaries and Masses!
    -Two REAL priests were then ready to step up and "cover" for Presbyter Luis, then Luis took a huge back step and agreed to "do some nights." "Wait, wait, no need to ask those other priests, I can do it..."
    -Presbyter Luis claims to be over extended and overworked. Perhaps he is feeling REAL pressure of the hardship he's facing in establishing the NeoCancers down south, because people are not giving in!
    -Presbyter Luis WILL chalk it up to a "misunderstanding' by the family of the deceased. How troubling is it that an English speaking, so-called "son of Guam" cannot be rightfully understood by his Parishioners?
    Is it because Luis Camacho speaks Neo? As if to say, even indirectly, but surely, "I can't memorialize your dead family because it is too much work for me. I have to show everyone in the Neo Leadership that I can establish the Neo here, I have to show face, being the rising star, and succeed or else, I'll suffer the consequences from Fr. Pius and my beloved Archbishop. Let the dead bury the dead, if you were Neo, you would know that already! Joy!"

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    1. Exercise caution over presbyter Luis camacho at this point in time. Some gray areas concerning this young man.

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    2. Uh, oh....Presbyter Luis one of Archbishops boy wonders. Don't get cranky, Luis. Next thing you know you will be a missionary to Outer Mongolia. It doesn't make any difference who it is, 27 year old man can't possibly be ready for all this Pastor responsibility. There is such a thing as the wisdom of your years. Amen.

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    3. Luis not well adjusted. Always talking about his parents marriage...a little obsession. Pray he gets it together. Archie says he's a good boy. AND now boy priest.

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    4. Honestly, it is impossible to have too many Masses and rosaries for our beloved dead. our deceased loved ones must constantly be remembered at Holy Mass if not daily than certainly weekly. At the time of death of a loved one Holy Mass should be celebrated daily for forty days on a designated altar for the departed soul. This may be a difficult devotion to arrange but certainly nine masses for the deceased from the time of death should be prayed. Holy Mass can never be prayed enough times for the deceased. Perpetual Masses to be encouraged and often best arranged with monastic communities.

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  13. AnonymousOctober 10, 2014 at 1:47 AM, UMATICAN?

    Stop fooling everyone, Umatican? Ha!

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  14. Poor Father Luis, isn't in the in group! Just think that AAA would rather spend his time with Harold and OJ tha with a local Neo or non-neo priest!

    Is he feeling abandoned? Now is he not smart enough to have become the vice rector of Agana! My,my, a local boy thrown to the side until needed. Hurry up and make the necessary communities down south for you to qualify to be invited into the circle! FOREIGNERS OVER LOCALS!

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    1. As a "foreigner" on Guam for decades I do worry that Guam's Chamorros and Filipinos will detest us outsiders more than ever due to the terrible damage done to Guam by these NCW invaders from foreign countries. Know that some of us outsiders hate the NCW as much as indigenous Guamanians and are just as miserable and shaken up by these heresies imposed on our local Church.

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    2. Well, 5.53pm presbyter Luis lacks certain qualifications that apuron likes. Harold is his savior for now but it will not last.

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    3. If you can't say "yes, Arch A Bishop" wth foreign flair, let's just say, that's A too Bad, eh?

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    4. If Presbyter Luis is the village idiot, why is he mentoring Deacon Julius? So helpful. Anyone seen Julius or the other guy who will be ordained in less than a MONTH?? Disappointed. Been hearing for years about the advent of Luis first local ordained. Splat.

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  15. Ouch! But probably true. Harold was at his master's side last night at San Isidro. Poor Luis. Harold is da man.

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    1. Is archbishop on island?

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    2. AAto in Saipan...Ordaining local boy to the Deaconate stage...Ordination is in December with the word going around that Nuncio Krebs will ordain him. What an honor for this young man and what a blow to the ego of AAA.

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    3. Archbishop IS on island doing his Pastoral Visits to all his flock on island! Beginning, of course, at Edivaldo's place. Coming to a parish near you. See how he loves his people?

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    4. Saipan, but will return right away. Hey, stop saying NUNCIO didn't you hear Arch correct every time he is only Apostolic Delegate. Tony is really hung up on this stuff claryifying to everyone that Rector of the Lateran is ONLY a BISHOP NOT an ARCHBISHOP. Forget it. Don't see how he can tolerate being called Brother Ton

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    5. Any news of ordination in Saipan today?

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  16. 5.53pm oh boy how right you are. Luis has a lot to learn. Suspect that he will not last in the neo cult and perhaps not even as a priest. Best thing for Luis is to find a good spiritual director to guide him through some difficult times to come. ultimately do not see him remaining a priest in neo or a diocese. Sorry but reality.

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  17. Local clergy no longer required in archdiocese. Tony has a list of all those he wants out of Guam. Yes the list includes Monsignor James who after his fall tony wanted off island on sabbatical. Yes, he was praying Luis Cardinal tagle would offer a shelter in his archdiocese. But it seems Monsignor James remained as did Fr. Paul. Unfortunately Luis you made the list for removal. So prepare the bag soon you be leaving for Africa, and watch out for Ebola, Though I'm told it can be cured by the use of trash bags. So take some with you for the journey and don't expect much help from tony.

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  18. I'm unsure he's on the list yet. Notice the defenses: the NEO saved my parents marriage; or, the NEO saved my marriage; or, if it weren't for the NEO I wouldn't have had my son; etc. It's that spiritual shackle the NEO obtained from their scrutinies. Nothing is secret in those scrutinies. Eventually, the whole island will know those spiritual shackles. Leave NOW, before it's too late.

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    1. Is the traditional Catholic church insufficient? Does the traditional Catholic church fail to provide the spiritual guidance for a person to grow in faith? My belief is that the traditional Catholic church has everything we need for our spiritual journey. But we need to do our part and make an effort: pray, study scripture, learn about the traditions of the church, study the lives of the saints, etc. If we feel like we aren't getting anything out of it, are we putting anything into it?

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    2. Seems the Faith was so deep that it survived Japanese occupation with no sacraments...not all people pass that test. This is the Faith of Guam. After a terrible trial like that our faith should be stronger because we are in a place of true Martyrs!

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  19. Archdiocese has heard the sick stories of Luis and how NEO saved the marriage of Mr and Mrs Camacho. Frankly, if this is the foundation on which Luis has built his spiritual foundation and his priesthood it is a foundation built on sand. Luis is the village idiot and hard to take seriously.

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    1. Was a poignant moment at first blessing of his parents. There was something really going on there. I said at that moment, uh, oh. BTW, not some, but all of the Neo marriage miracles I have heard are bogus. The marriages are still a wreck. Most are not even marriages anymore. This is a true testimony. ALL the stories. Forces people to stay together...the "numbers" thing. How many communities, how many members, how many fall off your horse conversions, how many vocations to the presbyterate, how many vocations to the Kiko Karmel in NJ, how many large families with 18 kids, how many missionaries, how many seminaries, how many guitars, how many parishes and, don't forget how many Arch A Bishop MEMBERS of Agana community! The numbers make me dizzy. Must be my blood pressure. God help us. Pray for all those men and women brainwashed that they are 'married". (and in many cases don't even LIVE together. ) Father Pius, where are you? Hiding, while Arch A Bishop shows all the parishes he is the Boss man, not you? Shall we expect you back soon? PIZZA

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    2. Poor parents, having thier life story repeated over and over. I would cringe. Feel sorry for them. I would certainly ask my presbyter boy to stop it.

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    3. Nothing is secret, Copy That.

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    4. Seriously, imagine how it must be for the parents when Luis goes around talking about the dysfunction of his mama and papa.

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    5. Is Luis' brother still at RMS?

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    6. Sure he is! As a matter of fact he was one who spoke on the short video about being charitable to The appeal!

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  20. Pius is in the US mainland now probably planning with Giuseppe the next move....

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    1. Yes. Their next move was in today's PDN. Wait till they see ours. :)

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    2. Timing of the PDN opinion letter is suspicious. After almost two years that this is public...this person is writing to PDN

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    3. What is in PDN today?

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    4. Plotting, planning and letting Apuron let everyone know he's the Real Arch. Pius sickly but all forward for the invasion.

      Also, strange that the PDN article comes out and D-Ana is all over it immediately...that timing also suspicious. And, may I ask, who is the author??? Someone who knew someone serving here??? Ok ...

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    5. Who would know the nitty gritty news and background of this person? Rumors have it that Lastimoza is Bernie Santo Tomas's brother.

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    6. Bernie Santo Tomas' maiden name IS Lastimoza. I don't know, though, whether she's a sibling to the man in the news.

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    7. I read today's opinion letter published in the PDN making additional accusations against Lastimoza. But the author did not offer any proof. There's no point to making accusations without evidence. Maybe Mr. Lastimoza should sue the author of the opinion column.

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    8. It is "curious" that the PDN featured what is nothing more than a letter by some off-island guy in the section it normally reserves for its regular local or nationally syndicated columnists. In doing so the PDN gave the letter credence it should not have had. Hmmmm.

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  21. Apuron no longer accepted in this community. Archdiocese is vacant and it requires a new bishop to lead. Yes, he can de,aim in office, but with no respect, so he becomes a lame duck in Guam.

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  22. Yes, where is Pius hiding these days? Not much hope for Pius , yes, expect Pius back soon, after all he will need our money to live.

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