Tuesday, March 24, 2015

NOTE TO SARC

I have in my possession the far more damning follow up letter from Deacon Martinez to Archbishop Apuron which was cc'd to you. The Archbishop knows the truth of what really happened and what's more, so do you. In fact as a Deacon you were required yourself to do exactly as Deacon Martinez did. 

Out of respect for Fr. Luis and a hope that someone will tell us the truth on their own I have withheld the letter. But since you shipped him off to Saipan as soon as you could in order to hide him, he is not able to come forward even if he wanted to.

So let the Archbishop know that if he won't tell us the truth I will publish what almost everybody already knows, except as you know, this letter fingers the real evil, and it's not Fr. Luis.

I'll wait till Friday. 

85 comments:

  1. Bittersweet. Inquiring minds want to know now, but we all know the real punishment is in giving them 3 days to agonize over what to do.

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    1. Won't be time to agonize...there will be another scandal by then. Par for the course.

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    2. Won't be time to agonize...there will be another scandal by then. Par for the course.

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  2. Our immediate responsibility in this matter is not to forgive Fr. Luis. No, our first responsibility is to tend to the victim and to determine if there are more victims. After that, we stand up like Christian adults, vigorously resist the evil that is being foisted upon us, and protect our own daughters from it.

    Oh, you might tell me that there is no victim. She consented, you might say. And even signed a document to that effect. Bullshit. The man she "serviced" in that car was her pastor and the "presbyter" of her Neocatechumenal community. In those capacities, he exercised considerable authority over her and any consent she expressed after the fact must be investigated thoroughly by a neutral and professional third-party. If this was not sexual abuse, it certainly was sexual exploitation.

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    1. Actually the servicing was the other way around.

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    2. In his position as a catholic priest Fr. Camacho knew he had considerable power over a 17 year old student. He should not even have been in the car alone with a student at that location.

      Archbishop Apuron needs to immediately make an announcement asking if there are any other students who have had similar experience with Fr.Camacho. The victim needs pastoral/psychological help after a traumatic ordeal. Archdiocese needs to determine if there are more victims. No action has been taken to ask victims to. Ome forward.

      Parents of young daughters need to talk to children regarding this matter. Important to ask your daughters if Fr. Luis ever took them out in the car. It is about protection of children and if there are victims helping victims manage trauma.

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    3. If you knew what I knew you wouldn't bother to make this case. But I can't tell you. Just trust me. Never mind the girl or her family. That's up to them. Stay on Apuron for bilking us into a multi-million dollar production line of psychologically disabled presbyters.

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  3. Mary Lou Garcia-PeredaMarch 24, 2015 at 6:24 PM

    We are in the 21st Century. It seems to me that, even though he was shipped off to Saipan, Presbyter Luis Camacho should be able to come forward IF he wanted to — via Skype and/or FaceTime.

    In the meantime, I will do my Count Down until Friday …

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    1. IF he needs someone to go and bring him back, I'll do it.

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    2. He won't do it. He is a foundation kikokuku member. Further, as a priest dealing with subordinates, he should have had training in exposure to youth. Things like NEVER put yourself in a compromising situation, e.g. alone with a young woman. In this day and age it would expand to alone with anyone period, save for the confessional. So like Tim said, we need to call for the seminary to be shut down.

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  4. The impression I got from KUAM news (www.kuam.com) is that there will be a canonical investigation. If so, that only means Fr. Luis is ready to be thrown under the bus. He has no value to the Neos any more.

    Fr. Luis, decide now: protect Apuron and his Neos OR protect yourself! You'll know what to do next.

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    1. I was puzzled while watching KUAM's news report regarding the case of Fr. Luis Camacho because Deacon Steve's voice was heard but he was not shown. Was he being interviewed by phone? I would think KUAM would inform us if it was a phone interview.

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    2. Mary Lou Garcia-PeredaMarch 24, 2015 at 8:48 PM

      Anonymous (March 24, 2015 at 7:21 AM), there is absolutely no need to fret. Did you not see http://www.junglewatch.info/2015/03/here-are-advisors-for-canonical.html and learn who the "Canonical Investigators" are?

      There is no way that Presbyter Luis has been thrown "under the bus" since he will be "investigated" by fellow members of the NCW psuedo-clergy Presbyters Edivaldo, Pius, Alberto the VC and Msgr. David the VG. He has nothing at all to worry about from those four. Layman Tony Diaz, respected journalist as well as Editor of the U Matuna Si Yu'os, was added to the panel in an effort to impart an aura of impartiality.

      Presbyter Luis can rest easy and enjoy his brief hiatus. Even if Tony Diaz takes exception and/or objects to any part of the process, his lone voice will not be heard over the voices of the presbyters who will exonerate Presbyter Luis, lift the "restriction" on his faculties and restore him to full ministry.

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    3. So who will have the distinction of being first Chamorro RMS graduate? Fornicator Gabe or Drunken Ashton? Hmmmm decisions, decisions.

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    4. He declined to be interviewed on screen

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    5. Tony Diaz advised yesterday that he is not involved.

      Also Luis was the first Chamorro grad.

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    6. The others should recuse themselves for conflict of interest ... the very fact that they're all neos. Investigation should be done from outside the island to ensure there are no further conflicts of interests (i.e. relatives).

      On another note, I hope that there is no money being passed under the table to silence people, most especially the parents. It would be VERY sad!!!!

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  5. If indeed Fr. Luis Camacho has been shipped to Saipan and under the care of former Bishop Camacho, might the latter be implicated as harboring a fugitive from justice, and the Archdiocese of Agana leadership as accessory to crime? Whether sexual abuse or sexual exploitation, Fr. Luis is an adult man who needs to face the consequences of his action. It seems that the neo community coddles those who commit these offenses, and by doing so condemns their members to a state of dependency, and into a trance-like condition that individuals lose any vestige of self-worth and dignity, as well as any objective degree of sanity. What a dangerous dilemma Apuron inflicted on the Archdiocese! What have the people of Guam done to merit such travesty???

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    1. As mentioned elsewhere there is no charge and no crime on the civil side.

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  6. Does the Vatican have a designated SARC that we can appeal to? Archdiocese may have to be bypassed for the truth to come out on this incident.

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  7. REEL'EM IN TIM I HOPE YOU ALSO CATCH THE LOT INVOLVED IN THIS COVER UP OF THIS PLAN...... ONCE AGAIN HIGH RANKING GOVERMENT OFFICIALS INVOLVED WITH RELIGIOUS RACKETEERS..... THIS MOVIE ONLY GETS BETTER NO REWIND....

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    1. No govt. officials that I know of.

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    2. Well not yet.lol

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    3. If you know of government officials who are involved, please let me know.

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  8. A warning for Tim from 1 Cor 3:17: "If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred..."

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    1. Warning to idiot: Apuron already did.

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    2. ){;- > The real Tim = 666

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    3. Idiot huh? Wow you're a great Catholic. Way to fulfill the Sermon on the Mount...you know, that little speech that is at the heart of Christianity. Anyways, St. Paul says it, not me. Just be careful Tim, "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." (MT 7:2)

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    4. Wow. 2:36. Both a coward and a judge.

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    5. 10:40 and 2:36, I second it....you are both IDIOTS! Get real...stop using religion to hide your stupidity.

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    6. P.S. I don't judge anyone here, not even Tim, because I recognize that we are all weak and sinful people. However, if my admonishing you with the very words of Jesus Christ our Savior and St. Paul makes me sound stupid to you, then I will gladly be called an imbecile!

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    7. Giving "warnings" to others under the guise of an Anonymous title, is as funny as see you pissing into the wind. Pah-Leessssss...

      I won't call you an idiot, nor stupid. You want to make a valid point, identify yourself and own your statement. Is it really that hard or are you just afraid?


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    8. Anon at 10:40 PM you are barking up the wrong tree, you FOOL!! Don't let that bible smack you on the head.

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    9. to anon 10:40 warning upset catholics going to expose ncw and take back church, and going to restore faith, and put you all in jail. neos need to take cover we are in condition of readiness 4 better start securing...

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    10. At 7:54. LOL. Yah right. Christ told us to admonish one another anonymously. LOL. This is a real evidence of the effects of drinking KAKA. Let me admonish you in return: stop drinking KAKA.

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    11. Apuron has been destroying people for 30 years just got worse older he went.
      Strange observation is most people who were dictators in younger life transform as years pass and can become good honest people by 70. Apuron is an example of someone who got worse older he went with bullying and lies Of priests. This is not normal psychological growth. It also makes me think and support Tim's theory that Apuron is controlled by other younger men who are dictators using Apuron.

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    12. I'm not afraid of any of you. As I said before, what happens on the island of Guam really doesn't affect me at all as I am literally on the other side of the world and don't care THAT much. That being said (Raymond), I am smart enough to know that it's never a good idea to leave an audit trail on the Internet b/c the words you write will always be there. Anyways, the Church has much bigger problems than your petty squabbles in Agana (radical atheism, Islam, relativism, etc) so why don't we Christians stop our infighting so that we can confront the real problems and present them with a united front?

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    13. Because Jesus told us that we would see the abomination in the temple. It's not the enemies from without which threaten the real church, it's the enemies within in, and the "smoke of Satan has invaded the church at the highest levels." (Paul VI). And speaking of smoke, that's about all you are. If our issues are so small then stay on your side of the world and let us take care of what we have to live and fight with daily. Wow. What a coward. Admonishing anomymously forom the other side of the world. Truly a Christian witness. Pure "fruit".

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    14. I pity you Tim. You are a poor bitter man who only cares about his own power and influence and defending the little kingdom he has built on earth. So full of rancor and miserable. The sad thing is you probably won't win or achieve anything significant. I'd be shocked to see a Pope go against one of his own Archbishops when it comes to issues in that bishops own diocese.

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    15. 12:05 PM your condescending admonition amounts to diddly squat. Why are you sticking your nose into our business? Could it be that you're trying to put out the fire here for fear that it might spread to your part of the world and burn you in the process? Whatever reason you may have for commenting here, you opinions are a nonfactor so move along and bother another part of the world you pathetic and pitiful creature. FYI no one is afraid of you.

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    16. Anon 11:11, I don't wish to get into a match with you. Just understand that I don't mind your free speech here on the blog but to throw rocks from afar and to state you are literally on the other side of the world, begs me to think and question why you would have an interest in the going ons with the Catholic Church of Guam. Added, you do it behind the cloak of anonymity. Should you be from here, great to know. If you are not from here, why interject your thoughts, unless its to further a hidden agenda? I do agree with you in that we need to present a united front as Christians. This CANCER has been festering on our home island for way too long and it needs immediate attention so that the whole body can return back to some semblance of normalcy. God bless you.

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  9. exploitation of its members ... members accepting their own exploitation ... to the point where even parents allow their children to be exploited ... why does this sound a little like one of those strange fundamentalist cults we see on the news from the u.s. mainland from time to time? (remember this guy? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Jeffs)

    so far, the actions and inactions stemming from this "incident" are the most damning evidence of just how deeply cultlike the ncw is

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    1. I believe that is why deacon Martinez file with the chancery and cps

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  10. Not sure how this is going to play out in the court system, but Fr Luis will have to return to the island to answer to his charges, if he fails to answer to the charges when summoned, he will become a fugitive of the law. I wonder who bought his ticket to go to Saipan? I wonder if that individual(s) will be arrested as well for harboring a fugitive?

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    1. But there was a police report.and then chancery was working with authorities at first.

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    2. what about the teacher from st. thomas? has she been charged or is that still being investigated?

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    3. So here's what you do, and again, this is a great opportunity for a civics lesson. Send a Freedom of Information Act request to the police department and the AG's office requesting all public records relative to the case. If you don't know how to do this, contact the PDN, they will be glad to provide info on how to do it.

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  11. Wasn't he charged with something?

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    1. He was "booked" for custodial interference. A charge is something a prosecutor must bring. As far as we know, there has been no charge. Why? We don't know yet. Meanwhile, let's put the focus on Archbishop Apuron and his investigation.

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  12. So, if Fr. Luis is not guilty of anything, who is? The 17-year old girl? But, she's Neo! And, her parents are okay with what happened, because they're Neo, too! Okay, then let's blame the arresting office for false arrest!!

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    1. While there are no criminal charges to date, it has been established thst a PRIEST was sexually involved with a minor. This is still of major concern as the priest was involved in conduct of moral turpitude. The handling of this matter by church officials is shameful as the entire process was bungled from the get go. AAA and his minions are hoping this "incident" will blow over and things will be business as usual for them.

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    2. Police can make an arrest with sufficient cause. Charges is something different. He has not been charged. Sex between to consenting persons above the age of consent is not a crime. Consent was determined after the arrest. It may also have been determined that Fr. Luis was authorized by the parents to transport their daughter. It would be up to the parents to bring charges if they feel that said authorization was abused.

      Meanwhile, this is a good opportunity for a civics lesson. Here's info on the arrest procedure:

      http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-procedure/chronology-the-arrest-process.html

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    3. If Luis was authorized to take the girl from school then the school log out records should show it. If this was in the up and up she wouldn't have had to hide herself in the car when leaving the campus (as reported by a commenter).

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    4. Granted that in civil law, mutual consent does not constitute a crime. Are we as a Catholic community to condone what Fr. Luis did in violation of his priestly promises? Where is the Catholic integrity in all this? Are we to turn a blind eye on clergy who have consenting relationships in violation of their vows? This does not seem to be the intent of the Roman Catholic Church. This, and another existing publicly known situation on Guam constitute public scandal. The church double-talk is appalling, at the least.q

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    5. You are correct. That's why I want to get off this focus on the civil side and keep the light shining on one Archbsihop Anthony S. Apuron.

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    6. You are correct. But if neither the girl nor the parents press charges then there won't be an investigation.

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    7. The question..why did he resign? Why did he resign? Why did he resign?

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    8. At 8:14. And as long as we want to keep the focus on a priest being with a minor, we are playing right into Apuron's hands. He would like nothing more that for everyone to think that this is just a priest gone bad. He can then throw him under the bus and keep on rolling.

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    9. @ 8:14AM, this is again par for AAA. It will take 2 years to determine if Fr. Luis is a danger to minors. Remember, it took him all of two years to remove Fr. Paul. (Of course, it doesn't matter if a few years back, he allowed the person he wanted Fr. Paul to fire and rid of to do community service for 3 years at Santa Barbara as part of his release agreement). Shouldn't we be proud. We have an archbishop who is slow to anger. LOL and SMH.

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    10. The real issue for me is, what the heck is the process in determining a RMS seminarian is ready to become a priest. Is there a psychological evaluation? How are they able to discern if becoming a priest is in their cards? And if these priest are for the Archdiocese of Agana, why is there not a board made up of local priest who can advise the Archbishop if these seminarians are ready for the task? If they are after all for here, these things should be squared away.

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    11. Probably resigned because he cannot handle it. We already knew that before he acted out . Luis, you got our attention.

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  13. If Tony Diaz is not involved, then why mention his name as part of the Canonical Investigation?

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    1. He called yesterday to say he wasn't one of the investigators. His name was on the original list that I saw, but perhaps he declined. Good for him if he did.

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  14. Apparently Luis, whether coerced or not, enjoys the buffet at the Rizal Beach resort.

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  15. Correct Tim; Pressure must be placed on the AG and her office and with CPS in conjunction with DOE to substantiate the charge of taking the minor out of DOE's care (off campus). By reading the current 9GCA, it is considered and should be charged as a 3rd degree felony. The parents consent will no longer matter as it is now; "The People in the Territory of Guam" bringing the charge.

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  16. so even with that, they may have dropped charges but in most cases that happens but the suspect would still have to answer the people of guam. idk still sounds fishy to me. so if that were the case i'll become a neo so I can maybe get away with crime... as you can see it is sending the wrong message. you can not justify what is wrong. I can not wait till Friday...lol hey tim since we know larry is not going to come out with an honest answer can we move the deadline to tomorrow? good work tim everyone seems to be more active on the issues I believe all the input can help.

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  17. Fr. Luis needs to remain on Guam in the residence of the Archbishop until this matter is resolved.

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    1. And move PIUS and nurses out???

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  18. Tim is correct. Do not be swayed into the Camacho incident and away from the REAL focus, which is the AAA. Remember....Deny and Deflecting are the basis of the NEO. Focus on the source rather than the tidbits falling from the table.

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  19. true let get the big fish and with that we'll also find the little fish

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  20. There are many more victims in this incident than we are thinking about. How about the classmates of the girl, the parishioners of malesso? There will continue to be victims until this cult is ousted from the church, and their bishop with them.

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  21. Tim, looks like we don't have to wait till Friday. PNC has he letter on their website.

    Deacon Steve was spot on!!!!

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    1. Archbishop Krebs: Please take Deacon Steves very APT letter of concern very seriously. The broadcast on television tonight was X-Rated at 7:00 pm. Serious to see the opening story reveal so many filthy realtities of our Island Clergy/seminarians. Please help us expeditiously!

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  22. If Apuron wants us to put our attention on Fr. Luis, he and Pius must be doing something that they don't want us to know about. Stay alert!

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  23. @6:58p - all I can say is, "oh my goodness!" I'm not sure which is worse. Either way, that child is going to need some serious counseling in her future.

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  24. To Anonymous @Mar. 25/10:23 p.m. What broadcast and of what station were you referring to? please reply here @ JW.

    If possible, forward that info also to Archbishop Krebs, and other Vatican officials. They won't move UNLESS CHURCH SCANDALS ARE MADE GLARINGLY PUBLIC! (not shouting, just emphasizing). Hoping this scandal will put a fire under their rear ends and make them investigate the Redemptorist Mater Seminary.

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    1. I'm not Anon but will answer for him/her - http://www.pacificnewscenter.com/public-safety/item/2827-more-disturbing-details-alleged-in-priest-sex-scandal

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    2. visit pacificnewscenter.com, you will find the letter that deacon steve had sent to apuron and cc'd archbishop krebs. good on deacon steve! and blessings to tim rohr for all his work to shed light on everything going on at the archdiocese.

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  25. Pacific News Center @ 7:00 pm. Deacon Steve Martinez letter also on site wth cc to Archbishop Krebs.

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  26. fr_luis_camacho_1.pdf It is open to the public. No need to wait until Friday

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  27. It only takes one bad apple to spoil a barrel of apples. Unless that barrel is the one where all bad apples are thrown. Then, they're all bad apples! time to investigate the RMS.

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  28. Put an end to this. Someone request for a copy of the police report via FOIA or the Sunshine Act.

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  29. Anonymous @7:04. Go for it!

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