Sunday, December 7, 2014

HALF BAKED PRIESTS

By Chuck White
Fr. Edwin “Pius” Sammut O.C.D.  recently explained Kiko Arguello’s brilliant idea of ordaining young men priests for missions in China after only five years of training and without the benefit of studying in a formal seminary:
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24 comments:

  1. They are already badly formed with a distorted theology. It's hard to imagine the NCW presbyters could possibly be even worse than they are now.

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  2. Good afternoon Chuck,

    Thank you for reconfirming what a lot of us feared is happening. I see an Ordained Priest as I see a Doctor, both study and help to cure illnesses of the soul or the physical body. Both help conflicts within the mind (like stress, mental awareness and state of being, etc.).

    I am VERY skeptic about those who go through a "drive thru Priesthood" formation. Just as I would a doctor going through a drive thru university to get a Medical degree and then come to the U.S. to practice medicine (if they are able to pass the board exam). The challenge I see is there are no real board exams for the Priests once they are "Ordained" (or prior to). Yes, they have their formation leader announce they are "worthy" but how do we know?

    Hence, the formal process of learning approved Theology instruction, an accredited college degree, and practicums (actual Church and Pastoral duties) in their final year or two prior to Ordination has always been the rubrics.

    I saw Fr. Richard Kidd go through this and you can already tell there is a big difference between how he carries himself . A lot of humility, he is not easily intimidated, and more so, he is confident in our Faith. He sees the rift that is going on but is ALWAYS strong in his homilies that we still need to "love one another". How can you get this pastorally mature without going through a formal program similar to Monsignor James, Monsignor David I.A. Quitugua, Fr. Kidds, Fr. Andre, Fr. Forbes, Fr. Jeff, Fr. Paul, Fr. Pat (yes, both of them!)? Simply, you can't.

    What they lack in years will take more years to make up, more years of misery and it will not be at the Neo Priest's expense, it will be at the expense of the congregation. Thank you for posting the link. It confirms many things that are happening in the NCW's way of thinking.

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  3. Well, I certainly hope that Kiko shared his plan during the warm fuzzy meeting they just had with Pope Francis. Surely he did. don't you think so Pius!!

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  4. This helpful bit of information from Fr. Sammut seems to confirm Tim's thesis earlier this year, which you can read in his post, The Presbyter Conspiracy.

    Back then, when Tim used the word "rush-job priest mills", I thought he was going over the top. But no longer.

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  5. They need to fix their current priests. Have you ever sat through fr. Edi? His homilies make no sense and have no relativity to the gospel or readings.

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    1. Edivaldo is much better when he wears a wig and lipstick and writes as Diana. Read it. It's wonderful.

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  6. where are the three wise men just ordained? Where are their assignments? Are they on vacation after their long and arduous formation at RMS?

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  7. All is well, Rector Corrine guarding CB periphery!

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  8. Most of Guam's clergy are poorly formed in academics, spiritual and pastoral formation. Once more they lack basic manners in how to speak in polite society, fail in table manners, poorly groomed, poorly dressed, and just plain unpleasant to be with. They all are born from RMS Guam.

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    1. Clarification: I assume you meant to say "Most of Guam's neo-clergy"...

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    2. Yes . NEO clergy from RMS seems to be lacking in areas of academic,spiritual, human formation. Clergy formed in the suician tradition of Jean Jaques Olier and the French school of Spirituality, in St.Patrick's seminary menlo park California are formed to a much higher standard of education and formation.

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  9. Hope this rush job includes learning Chinese language. HA

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  10. No U Matuna online, No streaming of Mass today either! Whassuppp?

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    1. Anyone seen Archbishop today?

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    2. Didn't visit my house. did you see him?

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  11. We can have priests for china but ordained into a diocese with an ordinary who is not NEO. The priests can then be released to work in china under a bishop in the official Catholic Church in China. The church does not need Kiko telling her what to do. NCW already caused enough damage in the international church without moving to china. Unless, Pius moves to china now and leaves Guam in peace.

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    1. Kiko may have bit off more than he can chew. The Cardinal of Hong Kong may be arrested. China. Why doesn't he concentrate on Espana soooosecular. Guess he wants to get a hold of some of the money of the newly minted top economy in the world. That clever old Kikobird. $$$$

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    2. That whole issue about missionaries for China is either wishful thinking or a total fraud.
      The communist party in China control every aspect of the religious and political life in that country. This is the main reason why the Vatican and China do not recognize each other.
      For Kiko to claim he is forming missionaries for China is ludicrous
      Any foreigner in China is shadowed most of the time even the tourists. If you think you will be able to make contact with locals to promote a religious agenda, you are fooling yourself. You will be arrested, questioned and condemned in a kangooroo court, and serve a long prison term before being deported.
      This so called Evangelisation of the heathens is nothing but a con.
      But we should be used to this with Kiko, Carmen, Pius and the Gennarini they are perfect and well trained con artists.

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    3. Thank you for saying this. Absolutely correct. The idea of sending priests to China as if this was somehow the 16th century is ridiculous. It's all a ruse. And truly pathetic. The fact is that neither Kiko NOR ANY BISHOP can send a priest anywhere without the invitation and permission of a local bishop. To do so is to violate church law and the integrity of the other diocese. But these people don't care. And they don't care because they are in a different church. Their real mission is to convert Catholics.

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    4. NCW sends them as "English teachers" or "business men" with families. They complete all the necessary paperwork with false narratives and lies. Once approved by the government (of Macau) they pack up their families and head out for their NCW mission. Then they start their underground network and communities. Didn't Fr. Santiago go to Japan on a "mission"? He said he was going to be doing his ministry out of a house and gave the impression it was all hush-hush from the Japan diocese.

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  12. I understand that after careful screening and acceptance into seminary, the entire formation period is a period of discernment between the candidate and the Church to determine if the young man is called by God to the ministry of Priesthood, as many are called but only a few are chosen. My observations with those candidates who go through the RMS appear to be following a different process altogether, the laws of "supply and demand" which appears to be in line with Prophet Kiko's and Master Pius's plan - Crank them out like an assembly plant. Never mind the quality of the priest, or even if they are indeed called, as long as the numbers are there. I noted in many instances where the NCW is being scrutinized, they seem to measure the positive fruits of their existance in the number of seminaries that they have built, and the number of priest that they produce, but at what cost ???

    And then to add insult to injury Pius has the nerve to suggest that their community be the forming ground for these preist? Where are you coming from? It is no wonder that those coming out of their seminaries are ill prepared as is very evident in our parishes. A parishoner who comes to church but unable to understand the homilies, is having difficulty understanding anything the priest is saying because of language differences or is all over the place because of lack of homolitic training, the end result is the people of God are not spiritually nourished with the word of God. There is no greater injustice than this...

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  13. Half-baked priests = half-baked, non-authentic Catholicism which AA negligently allows, exposes to and heretically imposes on the parish Faithful.

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  14. NEO = NEW EUCHARISTIC ORDER! Sounds like another religion to me.

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