Tuesday, March 17, 2015

NEVER LET A STUPID MOMENT GO TO WASTE

And "The Diana" provides an endless stream of  such "moments" - all opportunities for the rest of us:

  1. Another article by Diana....only a clip of it .


                The Neocatechumenate community celebrates Mass with slight variations conceded by the Congregation of the Divine Liturgy and Sacraments (Note of December 19, 1988). After the three Scripture readings and before the homily, members engage in commentary, comparing their readings with their personal experiences. The homily then takes account of the observations made, corrects deviations, and stimulates reflection. Next, as in the Ambrosian rite, is the Rite of Peace. The rite of the Eucharist follows early Christian practices, using unleavened bread and wine. 

My Notes:

Now notice how "The Diana" (which is Gennarini-Pius-Apuron, et. al.) ignore the 2008 Statute, which is the only thing that makes the NCW valid. It doesn't matter what was permitted prior to Statute of the Neocatechumenal Way which received final approval in 2008. It would be like someone today referring to some provision in a draft of the U.S. Constitution which no longer exists in the the version which was finally ratified. 

Now why does "The Diana" (et. al.) do this? Because they think you are stupid. They think they can snow you with bull_____. They think they can do that because it has worked for them. And it has worked for them because so many of us never took personal responsibility to learn our faith from authentic sources (e.g. the Catechism). So we are sitting ducks for self-styled diarrhea-of-the-mouth theological hipsters like Kiko and con-men like the Gennarini's.

But let's get on to what "The Diana" says in "her" little essay. 

First, don't get excited that "the Diana" uses the word "Mass" a word which is almost anathema to the kikos (since it is too closely associated with the word "sacrifice" - which is rejected by Kiko). It is not a Freudian slip and "the Diana" is not "slipping" towards actual Catholicism. "She" is just doing a copy and past job from this website

Going on.

As already noted, the 2008 Statute trumps everything that came before it including "the Diana's reference to the 1988 concession. Here is what the 2008 Statute permits:
§ 4. The celebration of the Eucharist in the small community is prepared under the guidance of the presbyter, by a group of the neocatechumenal community, in turn, which prepares brief monitions to the readings, chooses the songs, provides the bread, the wine, the flowers, and takes care of the decorum and dignity of the liturgical signs. 
Notice that all the the 2008 Statute permits is "brief monitions" (literally "warnings"). Compare that to what the so-called 1988 concession permitted:
After the three Scripture readings and before the homily, members engage in commentary, comparing their readings with their personal experiences. The homily then takes account of the observations made, corrects deviations, and stimulates reflection. 
As you can see there is quite a bit of jabbering going on here and the Church saw fit to eliminate it, toning it down to only "brief monitions". And here's something else. As many have experienced, neo-presbyters seem to be entirely incapable of giving a coherent sermon at a normal Mass. It's easy to see why. In the neo-communities in which they have been formed, their "homily" (as noted in "the Diana" comment) consists entirely in responding to the community-jabbering which takes place after the readings. And this jabbering, despite the elimination of  it in the 2008 Statute, still takes place. Like everything else the kikos do, they simply define what Rome says however they want. 
Next, as in the Ambrosian rite, is the Rite of Peace. The rite of the Eucharist follows early Christian practices, using unleavened bread and wine. 
The Diana is still doing a copy and paste job here, so these aren't "her" words. But let's clarify. The 2008 Statute permits the Rite of Peace as follows:
“Notification of the Congregation for Divine Worship on celebrations in groups of the Neocatechumenal Way,” L’Osservatore Romano, December 24, 1988: “The Congregation consents that among the adaptations foreseen by the instruction “Actio Pastoralis”, nn. 6-11, the groups of the above-mentioned “Way” may receive communion under two species, always with unleavened bread, and transfer “ad experimentum” the Rite of Peace to after the Prayer of the Faithful.” (Footnote 49)
You may want to note that the permission to transfer the Rite of Peace is given "ad experimentum", meaning it is not a permanent permission. The permission was given because, at the time, the question about the placement of the Rite of Peace was being studied as a question for the whole Church.

That period of "ad experimentum" or study, ended on August 1, 2014, with Pope Francis formally deciding that the Rite of Peace was to stay put:

In some Catholic liturgical traditions (such as the Ambrosian as referred to by "the Diana"), it said, the exchange of peace occurs before the offering in response to Jesus' exhortation in Matthew 5:23-24: "If you bring your gift to the altar, and there recall that your brother has anything against you, leave your gift there at the altar, go first and be reconciled with your brother, and then come and offer your gift." 
But in the Latin rite, the letter said, the exchange of peace comes after the consecration because it refers to "the 'paschal kiss' of the risen Christ present on the altar." It comes just before the breaking of the bread during which "the Lamb of God is implored to give us his peace." (See below for source.)

Because the Neocatechumenal Way is required to follow the "liturgical books"...
For the celebration of the Eucharist in the small communities the approved liturgical books of the Roman Rite are followed (Art. 13) 
...and because as of August 1, 2014 the period of "ad experimentum" is over, there is no need for Rome to amend the 2008 Statute. The permission was only given "ad experimentum". "Ad experimentum" is now over. The Rite of Peace belongs "after the consecration". The Neocats would be expected to "follow the liturgical books" and conform the placement of the Rite of Peace to that of the rest of the Church. 

Of course, they won't, and for the same reason they still will not celebrate the Communion Rite as required by the same liturgical books: because it is a different church with a different hierarchy. 

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Below is the text of the letter from the Congregation for Divine Worship on the Rite of Peace. Non-neo's may want to note the Congregation's concern with the abuses. You don't need to be a kiko to abuse the liturgy.


The text of the congregation's "circular letter" on "the ritual expression of the gift of peace at Mass," was approved by Pope Francis and posted in Spanish on the website of the Spanish bishops' conference. Jesuit Father Federico Lombardi, Vatican spokesman, confirmed its authenticity Aug. 1.

Catholic News Service obtained a copy of the letter in English.

In 2005, members of the Synod of Bishops on the Eucharist adopted a formal proposition questioning whether the sign of peace might be better placed elsewhere in the Mass, for example at the end of the prayer of the faithful and before the offering of the gifts.

Cardinal Antonio Canizares Llovera, current prefect of the congregation, and Archbishop Arthur Roche, the congregation's current secretary, said Pope Benedict XVI had asked the congregation to study the matter and, after doing so, in 2008 it asked bishops' conferences around the world whether to keep the sign of peace where it is or move it to another moment "with a view to improving the understanding and carrying out of this gesture."

"After further reflection," the letter said, "it was considered appropriate to retain the rite of peace in its traditional place in the Roman liturgy and not to introduce structural changes in the Roman Missal."

But that does not exclude the need for new or renewed efforts to explain the importance of the sign of peace so that the faithful understand it and participate in it correctly, the congregation's letter said.

It asked bishops to study whether it might be time to find "more appropriate gestures" to replace a sign of peace using "familiar and profane gestures of greeting."

And, it said, they should do everything possible to end "abuses" such as:

-- "The introduction of a 'song for peace,' which is nonexistent in the Roman rite."

-- "The movement of the faithful from their places to exchange the sign of peace amongst themselves."

-- "The departure of the priest from the altar in order to give the sign of peace to some of the faithful."

-- People using the sign of peace at Christmas, Easter, baptisms, weddings, ordinations and funerals to offer holiday greetings, congratulations or condolences.

"Christ is our peace, the divine peace, announced by the prophets and by the angels, and which he brought to the world by means of his paschal mystery," the letter said. "This peace of the risen Lord is invoked, preached and spread in the celebration (of Mass), even by means of a human gesture lifted up to the realm of the sacred."

In some Catholic liturgical traditions, it said, the exchange of peace occurs before the offering in response to Jesus' exhortation in Matthew 5:23-24: "If you bring your gift to the altar, and there recall that your brother has anything against you, leave your gift there at the altar, go first and be reconciled with your brother, and then come and offer your gift."

But in the Latin rite, the letter said, the exchange of peace comes after the consecration because it refers to "the 'paschal kiss' of the risen Christ present on the altar." It comes just before the breaking of the bread during which "the Lamb of God is implored to gives us his peace."






20 comments:

  1. In 1988 the neos were omitting many prayers from the mass including the credo. Even today they only say the Eucharistic prayer 2 and still don't explain why they don't use the other ones. Basically all those abuses describe the sign of peace in the neo mass.

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  2. It is a typical arrogant "pick and choose" what you like, from Carmen and her companion Francisco Arguello Wirth.
    It is called deconstruction. As a "former" Atheist/Marxist of Jewish origin Francisco Arguello is very well versed in the dialectic of double entendre and using the power of words in a way not intended in the original text.
    This type of erosion of every Catholic symbol and belief is deliberate and extremely dangerous.
    Just like their notion of sin and redemption which comes straight from the Talmud.
    No wonder they accept and encourage the likes of Pius, the Genarini brothers and many of their underlings (like Wadeson) to continue living in sin. They are so loose in their own lives and their personal ethics are so approximate, that they feel entitled to do as they please.
    St Michael defend us in battle.

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    1. Frenchie, I heard that during the Vietnam War crisis Giuseppe Genarrini also became a Maxist. Is this true? If so, seems Marxism is probably part of their catechetocal teachings.

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    2. Those guys with their trademark suave dirty scarves hanging around their necks! Btw Kiko gained a lot of weight. Stress from Guam, KIKO? MUCH?

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    3. Weight gain from stress? Nah..it's the fine wining and dining.."Drink and be merry, for the trash bags may soon be empty."

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  3. "The Diana is still doing a copy and paste job here,"

    I tried sending my comment--copy and paste taken from bible verses . At least with me, my sister in Christ reject posting them. But it's ok Diana! I know you micro manage you're blog. Just hope you don't speak up on behalf of AAA.

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    1. Diana (the) NEVER publishes any of my APT remarks. EVER. Guess I'm not in her league. OR, she's not in mine.

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  4. Archbishop this is your job description directly from the code of canon law:

    Can. 392 §1 Since the Bishop must defend the unity of the universal Church, he is bound to foster the discipline which is common to the whole Church, and so press for the observance of all ecclesiastical laws.

    §2 He is to ensure that abuses do not creep into ecclesiastical discipline, especially concerning the ministry of the word, the celebration of the sacraments and sacramentals, the worship of God and the cult of the saints, and the administration of goods.

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    1. Ergo, Guam has no de facto bishop. Just some guy running around with the title. No different than a surgeon who never performed a surgery or a lawyer whose never practiced law - credentialed but utterly useless.

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    2. Yet more proof that our Vicar General is a buffoon.

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  5. It's always funny to hear neocatechumenals citing the Ambrosian rite, only available in the diocese of Milan (Italy) and Lugano (Switzerland) and surroundings (for a grand total of some five million people). It has no substantial differences from the Roman rite.

    Well: why the Neo's should use something "inspired" (or even "borrowed") from the Ambrosian rite? They had a very bad time trying to encyst the dioecesis of Milan (card. Martini did not allow them to infect). The Neoliturgy only exists since 1967-1968, when Carmen Hernàndez commanded it. At least until late 90's, kikos did never have anything in common with the liturgy of st.Ambrose.

    Every time a Neocat lucubrates about "Ambrosian rite", he is actually saying that the Neos love to make arbitrary modifications to the liturgy - and then patch some ridicolous label sounding like: "OMG, like the Ambrosian Siro-Hyperbaric Aldaric-Diprotic-Tartaric rite! holy Kiko! yay!".

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  6. Another stupid statement and this one was reported via Rome Reports. http://www.romereports.com/pg160693-neocatechumenal-way-families-are-destroyed-causing-a-phenomenon-of-loneliness-en

    “Just a few weeks ago, the Pope sent 250 families from the Neocatechumenal Way on mission. They are going to places where there are no Christians. Argüello said that on that day, the Pope wanted to show them that the Church was with them”

    One of the mission groups is going to Italy. A place with no Christians? Another is going to Detroit, USA and 3 to France. Agreed both countries are experiencing an increase in Islam due to immigration, but I thought I was celebrating Mass in the Catholic Church in both countries – silly me.

    I guess the NCW came to Guam because there were no Christians. Enlightening. Or did they come to Guam originally because there were no Neocatechumenates?

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  7. Note that pope Francis, on Feb-01-2014, told to Neofamilies in Kikomission: «...where your Responsibles will send you...».

    That is, pope Francis -again!- confirmed that it wasn't him to send the Kikofamilies in Neomission!

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  8. So..Kiko had to show the Holy Father papers to be invited to the synod?

    As posted by Di...
    Initiator of the Neocatechumenal Way

    "We must make Christians. If people do not understand what Christianity is, they will never know God. Nobody offers a path to Christianity. We ask the brothers what sense is there in the suffering in your life? Illuminating the suffering is fundamental. Or how you understand your sexuality, or what is your relationship with money? This is educating them in faith. Well, there are parishes where they merely offer masses and social things but not catechism."

     

    Just a few weeks ago, the Pope sent 250 families from the Neocatechumenal Way on mission. They are going to places where there are no Christians. Argüello said that on that day, the Pope wanted to show them that the Church was with them.

     

    KIKO ARGÜELLO

    Initiator of the Neocatechumenal Way

    "I showed him the papers saying that we had a meeting in Madrid with two million people in favor of the family. Also the Family Day in Italy. And I said, 'How is it possible that after all we are doing for the family, you have not invited us to the synod? Everybody may think that you are against the Way.' And he told me, 'No. No.'   He wanted to show the whole Church that he is with us. "


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    1. Very typical Kiko behavior filled with pride and arrogance. Confronting and talking to the Holy Father as if he, Kiko, knows better and commands higher authority. The pope was probably caught off-guard and his reply was what came to mind at the time. If the pope took it a step further and told Kiko he's 100% behind the NCW then it changes everything. For now it's another Kiko spin.

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  9. I'm sure you're thinking long and hard about that next post. We know it's extremely sensitive so take the time you need to comppete your fact-finding. While this isn't the easiest story to share and expose, it's another one that adds to everything you've been arguing and make the case for these past years. For this particular story, we must pray. It saddens my heart and my soul. Truly does.

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  10. I echo the sentiments of anon @647am. So truly sad. One that is so sensitive, you wonder if it's better for everyone to keep the story to yourself and respect the privacy and what little dignity may be left for those involved as well as their families. But to do absolutely nothing and pretend it didn't happen would probably be the greater harm. I am so torn about this, not torn about the wrong-ness, but torn about whether to show my support for this kid who probably through no fault of his own (ie raised in the way) finds himself in this position, or not. We are all human, that's probably the one big lesson I got from this one. Yet, the rest of us are not fully entrusted to care for and nourish the souls of others. Lots of sorting to do on my part for sure. Praying a lot.

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  11. I pray too for the conversion of the NCW - Jesus will be merciful to those ignorant of the truth; but, in regards to those who the truth was revealed and still continue to perpetuate the lies of Satan..............
    Divine Mercy Sunday is fast approaching. How wonderful it would be to see the NCW repent of deception, pride, and the banalization of the Mass. The slate could be wiped clean.
    This is also a reminder to us to repent of any pride, improper language, etc. It is not a case of we are right, and they are wrong. It is a case where our brothers and sisters in the NCW have been misled. I would hope that if I was ever misled, that someone would patiently and charitably bring me back into the truth. Peace and love always.

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  12. Dear Tim:
    Today I re-submitted the following entry to Diana; it was rejected for print the first time. But perhaps you have some insight into the question posed. Thank you.

    Excerpt from Redemptionis Sacramentum:
    " [27.] As early as the year 1970, the Apostolic See announced the cessation of all experimentation as regards the celebration of Holy Mass [62} and reiterated the same in 1988. [63] Accordingly, individual Bishops and their Conferences do not have the faculty to permit experimentation with liturgical text or the other matters that are prescribed in the liturgical books. In order to carry out experimentation of this kind in the future, the permission of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments is required. I must be in writing, and it is to be requested by the Conference of Bishops. In fact, it will not be granted without serious reason. As regards projects of inculturation in liturgical matters, the particular norms that have been established are strictly and comprehensively to be observed. [64]
    {28.] All liturgical norms that a Conference of Bishops will have established for its territory in accordance with the law are to be submitted to the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments for the recognitio, without which they lack any binding force. [65]"

    It is sad to see that as early as 1970 the Apostolic See announced the cessation of all experimentation as regards the celebration of Holy Mass [62} and had to again reiterate the same in 1988.
    How did Kiko and the many priests, bishops and cardinals involved in the Way's Mass, with all its additions and deletions, ignore this directive? How was it possible that all prayers, and things that mentioned or denoted that the Mass was a Sacrifice (such as the crucifix and altar) were abandoned? How could so many be deceived?
    "The smoke of Satan has entered the sanctuary." It is a smokescreen against the Truth.
    Let us tell Satan where he can go.

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  13. Dear Tim:
    I should add, the main reason why I have posted this question on Jungle Watch is because I know Diana's followers read this blog too. So even though if she should choose to deny my post again, I hope the members of the NCW would be able to see that the "additions and deletions" in their Mass" were ill-conceived from the very beginning. Hopefully, that can trigger correction. Hopefully, the members of the NCW will demand the Recognitio that is needed for their "additions and deletions." This entry comes with no disrespect intended towards any of the members who do love the Lord.

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