My wife and I walked in the way twice. The second time my wife and I were forced to walk by the Archbishop or he would not ordain me. Both walks were very short. My favorite NCW expression came from Fr Neil during our convivence in 2003. As the trash bag was being passed around he proclaimed:"Money is the shit of the devil"I still question that bold proclamation of his. If money is the shit of the devil why are the catechisms and responsible a always insisting you give your money to them?Maybe Diana can answer that for us. Deacon Steve Martinez.
Here, I'll answer it: because they need to stay full of it.
Goes to show; this new religious infestation is ALL ABOUT THE MONEY... Kill the cancer by stopping money...
Folks, The fact that Apuron forced someone to join his heretical group is a red flag, Who gave him the authority to force people into joining a certain group or else face being denied receiving the Sacraments? Does the Sacrament come from him? Is it not a free gift from God, Why is Apuron using this as a tool to his desires? God himself never forces us into anything.
The archbishop has said to me several times that he doesn't force anyone to join the NCW. Clearly this is not the case because Deacon Steve has great credibility. I greatly miss Deacon Steve and his wife Emma because they no longer attend the cathedral parish. I miss their guidance, inspiration, honesty and encouragement.
Anon @5:17PM. Then the Archbishop lied to you. I was present in the Cathedral Basilica during a Sunday morning Mass when the Archbishop clearly said from the pulpit, "Any man wishing to be ordained in the Archdiocese of Agana must walk for a while in the Neocatechumenal Way."
Chuck, maybe he meant he doesn't force any lay person to join the NCW. He has never tried to make ME NCW. When he recently told me again that he doesn't force anyone to join the NCW, I pointed out, "When you impose a NCW priest on a parish, you are forcing the NCW on us." He did not respond.
5:17. They were smart enough to get out of there. That's a hint.
Maybe this person should read the letters from Apuron to some priest threatening them to find a Bishop that will accept them if they refuse to join the NCW. With all the evidence presented thus far, I find it surprising that there are still those who defend Apuron's actions. Except maybe those brainwashed members of the NCW.
NCW, is a beautiful gift from our Heavenly Father. Thank you Lord for this beautiful gift.
Actually, the only gift needed from our Heavenly Father is his Son and all that flows from his Sacrifice - precisely what the NCW REJECTS!
Precisely what God has revealed to us in Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition;Jesus is the Way the Truth and the Life. The NCW missed this whole point. To them Kiko their prophet is their Way, their Truth and their Life. How do we know? It is reflected in their blind obdeience to him, They Believe the doctrine Kiko teaches, they sing Kiko songs, display Kiko art, play Kiko music, follow Kiko liturgy in all that they do. Nothing matters other than what Kiko says. Now Anon @ 12:38 How is the NCW a gift from our Heavenly Father, when Kiko is the focus of this sect and the NCW teaches that the Son of God is a sinner?
That's the type of shirt, er gift that you want to avoid.
To Anon at 12:38pm (Nov 27) – If the NCW is God’s beautiful gift to us, then God must really hate us, because He would never have wished us or given us such an evil gift. It makes more sense to say that the NCW is the Devil’s terrible gift to us. “By their fruits you shall know them”. There is not enough baskets to fill all the rotten fruits the NCW has given us (Jesus is NOT God because He is a sinner; the Mass is not the same sacrifice as the Sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross; in fact, it is not a sacrifice at all – it is a mere celebration of the Last Supper; Judas is a necessary player in the plan of salvation – he had no choice but to betray Jesus – therefore he has no guilt; devotion to Mary, the Mother of Jesus, the Mother of God, is denigrated – the Rosary is not encouraged, despite Our Lady of Fatima’s instruction to the children of Fatima to pray the Rosary daily; etc. etc.) Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing but are hirelings instead. The NCW came to us through one such hireling – Kiko Arguello and his Neocat religion. The Neocats revere him as “a prophet”. How can any intelligent Neocat take the word of a false prophet, a man, over the words of Jesus Christ, the true Prophet of the New Testament – Jesus, who is not just true man, but true God as well! – jrsa (11/28/15)
This shit is the root of their existancel, this shit makes their world go around, all the RMS seminaries around the world are built from this shit, the propagation of all the heretical doctrines, all the globe trotting and mission trips are paid for by this shit. Tim you are correct, they are full of shit.
As a former member of the Way I can tell you the catechists are filled with these "beautiful" sayings. They tell you that God loves you in any way, but then proceed to berate you and yell at you for being "dirty, vile, ugly", but don't worry God loves you. Imagine what this does to members? It can have great psychological damage and one of the many reasons I left. I guess I started to smell all the "shit".
This is why we must warn others to stay aWay from that Kiko shit. Many of those who join the Way are spiritually damaged and are seeking a return back to the Church, only to be verbally abused and damaged psychologically as well. There is no way that the Way is a gift from heaven above.
The catechists prey on people's vulnerabilities. It's emotional manipulation of people who are seeking spiritual renewal but are being used instead. Such tactics are meant to destroy a person's self-esteem and to make the person feel only the NCW could help such a "disgusting" individual. Eileen Benavente-Blas
Nice Picture of you Tim !!! all you need is a cigar
5:27pm, this looks like the dessert you ate for Thanksgiving, turd pudding.
5;27 LOL RUDY
Rudy,You little old shit, dont you have anything else to do but harass folks in the jungle, Your master Kiko commanded you to stay away from the jungle. I know this shit is just sooooo good you cant stay away and you cant get enough.
Generally NCW plays on the emotional weakness of others to draw into the cult . Hence those suffering sickness, those who are lonely, those who are suffering bereavement all become potential targets for manipulation by the cult. For this reason I would advise children that if your aging mother or father is being visited by NCW certainly time to look closer. It is better to be cautious than allow old age abuse to take place. Remeber abuse is not only children in our church it is also the aged lonely in their homes abolished by the cult. I hope everybody finds my comments helpful since I believe in ending the abuse in the church in Guam. If you also want to end the abuse on Guam then please support CCOG Tim Rohr and bring an end to the evil operating in the region. Only a Revoloution can bring it to an end. When the people unite and rise against evil we can all stop it.
I still remember those deceptive "Invitation to Joy" signs. Talk about false advertisement! Although I have met some good-hearted, ethical NCW members, I've experienced many instances of verbal attacks and psychological pressures and manipulations. When I used to be very depressed and lonely on Guam one non-NCW priest suggested joining the NCW for a time to ease my suffering. But I was smart enough not to sacrifice my freedom and conscience. And now I'm fine emotionally without them.
The abuse is worldwide.
9:41 How sad that a priest advised you to turn to the ncw instead of Christ in whom our suffering has meaning.
Nov. 27 at 12:38PM, your posting is emblematic of the ncw cult’s style of indoctrination. The forceful brainwashing that ncw employs on the neos explains your inability to distinguish between shi_t and “gif_t”! Here are two major examples: the ncw’s inability to differentiate evil from goodness; kiko-brand liturgy from authentic Catholic Liturgy of The Holy Sacrifice of The Mass; the heresy of the ncw's irreverent "breadness of the bread” from authentic Catholicism’s acknowledgment and reverence for the “Real Presence” of Christ in the Consecrated Host! … etc, etc, etc
A few years ago, someone did an expose of some of Kiko's teachings showing that he was a successor to Luther. The title of this post is precisely Lutheran. Anyone know why?
Luther's concept of man is a pile of dung covered by the righteousness of God, like snow covering a pile of dung. However when you step on that pile of dung with snow on it, you still get shit on you shoes. Kiko's concept of man is identical to that of Luther man is 0+sin. They forget that man was created in holy innocence before the fall and in the special dignity given to him by God, to be created in God's image and Likeness, and this same God through the merits of Christ has the capability to wash away sin through the sacraments of Healing (Baptism and Penance) in the Catholic Church. It would seem that this validates the NCW's disbelief in what these Sacraments are capable of performing.
Martin Luther: (roughly).."you are a heap of manure covered in snow."
Arguello cannot even be compared to Martin Luther, far from it. The latter had such a scrupulous sense of sinfulness that he tried to overreach his capacity to overcome evil when the mercy and grace of God would have sufficed. His was theological and philosophical struggle vis-a-vis the institutional abuses of the day, like simony, the selling of church privileges and indulgences. The former is nothing but an egocentric maniac who fantasizes himself as a painter par excellence so he peddles his "magna opera" to built-in ncw outlets. His agendum is neither theological nor philosophical but financial, along with the Gennarinis. His end game is the destruction of traditional Church, and he strings along the baggage-laden and ambitious clergy to further his desires. His fight is not against the abuses of the institutional Church. He creates abuses to weaken the structure of established Catholic Church, and finds dysfunctional young men for his lackeys to brainwash in the mode of his thinking. These factory-made presbyters are put in place to enforce the sinister plan. They leave the parish and ministries at will in the guise of "mission" to leave traditional parish members hanging while ensuring the survival of small neo groups in their frequent absences. Very clever man, but vile to the core. Cave ne cadas! Beware lest you fall! We are determined to contribute to the global downfall of this neo scourge.
Motivations aside, the author's point was that many of Kiko's doctrines line up with what Luther eventually embraced, especially this one: that salvation amounts to nothing more than "piles of dung covered with snow."
It's important to identify exactly which Catholic principles are rejected by the Way. One basic, bedrock Catholic teaching spurned by Kiko and the Way is, "Grace builds on nature." Or in the words of St. Thomas Aquinas, a Doctor of the Church in his Summa Theologiae: “Grace does not destroy nature but perfects it.”We see this pessimistic rejection of nature not only in the "You are shit..." saying, but also in Kiko's antipathy toward natural religiosity. And purgatory, and anything else that is sacrificial or expiatory. You'll get a big dose of that in the 15 sessions of the Initial Catechesis. Be warned.
My studies in traditional Catechism have always told me that God takes us where we are and builds on it in order to achieve tge ideal. This is the same as when Chuck says, "grace builds on nature," hence the sacrament of Reconciliation through which absolution is granted to a penitent by the "Father of mercies." For the neo catechist or responsible to denigrate human nature and reduce it to excrement is a gross misrepresentation of God's words that affirmed everything He has made as "good." How dare these neos twist God's plan for humanity in this manner! They denigrate the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and make it into mere party with dancing and singing. Come on! So when a neo priest imposes Ash on Ash Wednesday, does he say, "you are shit and to shit you shall return?
Rejecting the principle that "grace perfects nature" removes the foundation for belief in the resurrection of the body. And while Kiko speaks loquaciously of "the resurrection", I have yet to hear or read any talk, speech or catechesis by Kiko that addresses the resurrection of the body. The Catechism of that Catholic Church states, "The "resurrection of the flesh" (the literal formulation of the Apostles' Creed) means not only that the immortal soul will live on after death, but that even our "mortal body" will come to life again." [CCC 990], but from Kiko's point of view, why bother resurrecting "shit"?