Monday, May 2, 2016

ANSWERING GUILE...AGAIN

It's hard for me to believe that someone who holds himself out as an "academic" asks a  question like this when only a modicum of research would have supplied the answer, so I'm left to believe that Mr. Guile here is just trying to corner me. However, for the sake of those who may really want to know the answer and are not playing games, I shall provide one. 


Cardinal Cordes is not a Neo-cardinal; instead, it is claimed he is a Kiko-cardinal.
But if the cardinal was appointed by the Vatican to guide the Way, then why not refer to the most recent popes as Kiko-popes? Why stop there, one of them is a saint, so I guess JPII must be a Kiko-saint if Cardinal Cordes is a Kiko-cardinal. Your thoughts, please.

First, Cardinal Cordes is RETIRED. R-E-T-I-R-E-D. That means he no longer holds any official Church position and is no longer the appointee to "accompany" the NCW. That means he is NOT here on Rome's business or Church business, but only KIKO's business. 

He was brought here for one reason. TONY IS GOING DOWN. And the Kiko's are desperate to salvage their situation. They are going mad trying to get a neo-successor to Tony and to do that they are desperately trying to present some semblance of legitimacy to the Day Care they call RMS. 

But it is not just the RMS on Guam that is in trouble, it is the whole Neocatechumenal Way. The nasty NCW lobby that has held sway in the Vatican for three decades is beginning to erode, and you can bet that what is happening in Guam is playing a large part in its collapse, for nowhere in the world is the evil program of Kiko Arguello and Giuseppe Gennarini more on display.

The amazing thing is that they thought they could get away with it. They must have mistook Guamanians to all be like Tony, David, and Adrian, three individuals who are not just a discredit to the Chamorro people, but a disgrace to the Catholic priesthood - as you will all soon learn. Well they "mistook" badly. Guamanians may take longer than others to respond because of their traditions and cultural respect of the Church, but when they respond - well let's just say that Magellan made the same mistake. 

Second, the papal appointing of someone to "accompany" a group, particularly a lay group, as is the NCW, does NOT imply approval. It could actually imply suspicion or disapproval which is why the group needs to be accompanied - to make sure they are kept in line. A recent example of this is when Pope Francis appointed an Apostolic Commissioner to "accompany" the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate last year after receiving complaints from some of its members. 

Even papal approval can be horribly wrong. It is well known that one of John Paul II's favorite groups was the Legionnaires of Christ, and due to JPII's personal protection of its founder, Marcel Maciel, the monstrous atrocities committed by Maciel could not be investigated until after JPII's death. 

Third, there is credible evidence that Cordes was part of the conspiracy in 2012 to sneak approval for the NCW liturgy past Pope Benedict. When Benedict discovered the plot, he turned the tables on the NCW and reportedly had a falling out with Cordes, who, a fellow German, he had been known to have been close to. 

Fourth, Cordes was given the duty of being "responsible" for the Charismatic Renewal and the NCW, two groups already known to be trouble, because at the time (1980-1995) he was Vice-President of the Pontifical Council of the Laity. This means that while he has continued to lobby for the NCW, he has NOT "accompanied" the NCW in any official capacity for over twenty years. 

Fifth, his presence here means nothing unless one is stupid enough not to see what is going on. The Gennarini's are taking advantage of the natural deference the Catholics of Guam have for men of the cloth, particularly those who wear red hats (Cardinals), and once again using us to shove the NCW in our faces. 

Most of this was already spelled out in THE STINKING MONK RAMPS IT UP and it is hard to believe that Guile does not know this. And even if he doesn't, his "academic" credentials (we are told) would seem to imply that he could have figured out for himself that the appointment of a prelate to guide a particular group does not cast the pope who made the appointment as one of that group or even an advocate. 

Lastly, I will say that it pains me to paint Cordes into the Kiko corner he has chosen for himself. In the main, he is a conservative and I support his efforts to keep the Church connected to the Sacred Tradition that is under attack - even at the highest levels. It is hard to believe that a man like Cordes can be a defender of the faith on one hand and contribute by his presence to a "Protestant-Jewish heresy with a Catholic decoration" on the other. But that is what we saw this past Saturday night. 

We have seen this happen over and over again. Kiko's billions (administered by Gennarini) speak loudly. To be sure, we will see Cordes, wined and dined, feted and frittered, all about the Neo world, propping up what's left of it. This is the retirement Tony had hoped for. If Cordes is smart, he'll get out of Guam and never come back. In a few weeks he will not want his name anywhere near Apuron's. 


13 comments:

  1. John Paul II often referred to the laity as a “sleeping giant,” and that sleeping giant is awakening on Guam and elsewhere.

    Cordes has been paraded around to many NCW events in the U.S. and I suspect elsewhere, as well as numerous appearances at Domus Galilaeae. He has also been known to preface books such as The Neocatechumenate: A Christian Initiation for Adults by Piergiovanni Devoto defending NCW practices and used Kiko’s paintings to grace the cover of his own book.

    http://occatholic.com/overflow-mass-for-neocatechumenal-way/
    http://www.cardinalseansblog.org/2011/02/04/visiting-the-holy-land/

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  2. Tim, "prophet" Kiko utterly under estimated the strength and determination of the Faithful to defend and protect their Faith, even against all odds. Guam is the "tip of the spear" is the fight against Kiko's heresy. If he had to do a "do over" he would have conducted his take over else where. Guam will go down in Church history and the beginning of the end for Kiko heresy. Kiko you have insulted our intelligence and badly underestimated the strength of our Faith in the One True Church. Because of your mis-calculation, the whole world is now made aware of your antics and plan to dominate the Church. History will record your attempt as just another false sect that "bit the dust".
    Thank you Tim for your brave work.

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  3. Just to put this out there, will all that has been going on do you think Archbishop Tony will finally meet with the Laity movement and all others besides the neo's to once and for all bring the Church back together?? Based on all that we have seen I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon and another press release will be sent out...smh common Archbishop do something if you care about your people!!

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    1. Now that the PDN survey revealed that more than half of the people do not have confidence in the Archbishop, maybe OJ will stop insulting the people of Guam by saying that those who are protesting represent only one percent of the population. Will the Archbishop now heed the writing on the wall and re-do his pastoral visit and mean it this time. I guess not. What can you expect from somebody who can tell the Pope that Guam has two seminaries knowing pretty well that the seminary in Malojloj is nary a seminary at all but a boarding house. If he can state half-truths to the Holy Father, do you think he will be truthful to us anytime soon.

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    2. People, stop hoping or expecting Tony to somehow have a change of heart and make things right. He is no longer running the show as he demoted himself from archbishop to brother by joining a community of the Way. In other words, he's just a useful Neo puppet controlled and answerable to Pius the Putrid.

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  4. Kiko is a profit, not a prophet, The Church has never given this title to any church leader after Peter has assumed the Vicar of Christ position in the Church. There can be none greater to deliver the message of Salvation than the Son of God himself. Don't understand how this NCW sect can refer to Kiko as a prophet or saint??

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  5. The stinking useless monk is hanging himself. Give him a long piece of rope for sure for sure it was going to happen. Enjoying watching his demise nearing.

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  6. In his response to my posting yesterday, Tim Rohr also mentioned Charismatic Renewal. He claimed that both the NCW and the (Catholic) Charismatic Renewal were at one point “in trouble.” Others have used the term “cautiously supported” (by the Vatican). Both organizations are instances of ecclesial movements. There are many more such organizations falling under the rubric “ecclesial movement,” such as Marriage Encounter and Cursillo.
    We live in the age of the Holy Spirit. Imagine you are the pope. On the one hand you want to be open to the moving presence of the Spirit, but on the other hand, you must be prudent and discerning to be convinced that the organization in question is moved by the Spirit. In ages past, other movements of the Spirit have undergone some kind of trial period or scrutiny: mendicant orders, monastic orders, confraternities, sodalities, etc.
    A very helpful article published in 2012 by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and authored by H. Richard McCord is “Ecclesial Movements as Agents of a New Evangelization.” Among other things, the article addresses the conflicts that arise when ecclesial movements emerge within the Church. It turns out that our experience on Guam with the advent of the NCW is not all that unusual. Traditional Catholics may feel alienated by the unfamiliar while the emerging new movement may make mistakes while still finding its feet. When conflicts arise between a movement and local parishes, all parties should be open to dialogue to reach some accommodation, some modicum of cooperation or even a kind of integration where the two human hands of the one Spirit meet.

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    1. I call this “the protestant switch.” Present an argument - usually a fake one or one designed as a trap (like the Pharisees)- and then switch to another topic when the argument is inarguably answered. Nevertheless Mr. Guile just made himself a bunch of neocat enemies. Kiko hates the word “movement” and made sure that the Church did not classify his neo as one. And, again for the benefit of others to see since Guile is not interested in answers, I will proceed to explain more.

      There is no other “movement” which has its own seminaries, its own priests, its own liturgy, and its own theology. There is no other “movement” which denies the Trinity and teaches that Jesus is a “sinner” who “experienced the forgiveness of the father.”

      The Neocatechumenal Way is not just a Jewish-Protestant heresy with a Catholic decoration as Bishop Athanasius Schneider labeled it. It is the same age-old Arian heresy that has never left. And when you combine that with the Gennarini-led money laundering, land grabbing, power usurping, human-trafficking, immigrant-scamming, multi-billion dollar, multi-national syndicate along with a horribly morally compromised bishop…then you have the current state of the Archdiocese of Agana.

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  7. In your recent posting you have mentioned Mr. Gennarini in connection with a series of crimes whose definitions appear below. (You do not mention others by name although I suspect you could have.) I take written, public words very seriously. If you do too, it seems you are under some obligation to act on what evidence you have for these crimes. I have indicated, for each crime, where you might submit your evidence.

    Money laundering is the transfer of money obtained from criminal activity into “legitimate” channels to disguise its illegal origins. If you have evidence of this, you should submit it to Federal Prosecutor Limtiaco.

    Land grabbing is the seizing of land, often unfairly, illegally, or deceptively, by a nation, state, or organization. It is the acquisition of valuable or strategic territory for much less than its actual worth. If you have evidence of illegal, unfair or deceptive acquisition of the RMS property, then this evidence should be submitted to Attorney General Barrett-Anderson.

    Usurping of power is the encroachment or assumption of the use power properly belonging to another; or the interruption or disturbance of an individual in his or her right or possession. If you have evidence of such usurpation, you should submit it to the proper authority, possibly Attorney General Barrett-Anderson.

    Human-trafficking is the recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, or obtaining of a person for labor or services through the use of force, fraud, or coercion for the purpose of subjection to involuntary servitude, peonage, debt bondage, or slavery. If you have evidence of this crime being of having been committed on Guam, you should submit it to Federal Prosecutor Limtiaco.
    Immigrant-scamming (or immigration fraud) is generally grouped into two types: immigration-related document fraud and immigration benefit fraud (i.e., benefit fraud involves misrepresentation of a material fact to qualify for a specific immigration status or benefit). Should you have evidence for either type of immigration fraud, you should report it and submit evidence thereof to the Consumer Protection Unit under Attorney General Barrett-Anderson.
    However, if you do not have evidence for Mr. Gennarini (or others in the NCW) having committed any of these crimes, then I understand all the accusations in another light. They are mischaracterizations of Mr. Gennarini’s (and/or others’) behavior, and they indicate the level of your anger and indignation. I know anger, indignation and frustration too. But if your accusations come not from evidence, but rather from raw emotion, you may be liable for libel, and it is not Mr. Gennarini who will need legal counsel, but rather you. Also since calumny is regarded as a sin (cf. Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2 ed., paragr. 2477: remarks contrary to the truth, harm[ing] the reputation of others and giv[ing] occasion for false judgments concerning them.), and if you have sinned against charity and justice, you will be in need of a priest as well.

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    1. Ummm, Bob Klitzkie did that. Meanwhile, please find somewhere else to promote yourself. At first I thought you were just trying to undermine me. Now I can see that you are using my blog to try to "matter" since apparently you do not matter elsewhere. Sorry. No free advertising on my blog. Good luck with the job search.

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    2. Well Mr Guile!
      Going out on a fishing expedition for your newly found masters?
      Mid-westerners are renowned fishermen, so your friends thought they could used you?
      To answer simply to your pontifications, how do you know these are not being investigated as we speak? How do you know the proper authorities have not been made aware of the issues highlighted?
      As Tim justly underlined, Mr Klitzkie actually did many of the things you pointed out? Did you fail to notice all the media hoopla it generated? Or do you wish to know if CCOG or a third party is going to sue? If that is your intent, why don't you ask them?

      Perhaps your lifelong work in Academia, and research has skewed your perception of the real world. You should may be, stick to the study of languages and its typology.

      When it comes to the complex issues of religion, it is more difficult to make sense of it by trying to categorize things, but I guess it is hard to resist a lifelong habit.

      You always appear to be a tormented soul Mr Guile, is this what drives your continual search in all the wrong places?

      What is it that makes Mr Guile tick? What is it that threw you so far away from Wauwasota and Milwaukee? Is it a desire for new challenges? Or is it fleeing a truth, not always easy to live with? I am puzzle to say the least.

      Your constant questioning of other people's motive, is revealing in itself.
      You have obviously taken side in this conflict. This is your privilege. That being said it clouds a lot of your interventions on this site. It puts a veil on your motivations to do so. You would be better off, continuing your frequent visits on Diana's blog. You appear to be quite loved there.

      Or maybe you are interested only as a researcher, studying aborigine cultures? How did that work out for you with the Naabeeho or the Anishiaabe? Was it all you expected? Or did the locals also rebelled like the Chamorros here?

      Are you still a member of the "One bread lay Apostolate"? Or have you abandoned that venture as well?

      So many questions, I wish (and I am sure many others), you could answer. Unfortunately the Jungle is not the proper venue for such discussion. I guess I shall have to wait on a chance meeting, to continue this conversation, as exciting it might be.

      I shall not try to understand what your accusations, or perhaps insinuations (might be a better word), might come from, as it is obvious you are more frustrated and self-loathing than angry, or hateful.

      As long as Mr Rohr, has had his blog, you should know by know, that all that he brings forth has been vetted and verified. It is most likely the reason he was never sued for libel.
      Of course any fool knows that when you sue, you open yourself to discovery, and that in this case the person or persons bringing such suit, would open themselves to more scrutiny they are willing to deal with. This is the problem with secretive organizations, is it not? Maybe it is the main reason the Archbishop has not sued this site or Mr Toves, for relaying and making the terrible accusations brought by Mr Toves?...Remember?

      I shall finish with your own quote Mr Guile, since it is very appropriate. "Calumny is regarded as a sin (cf. Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2nd ed, paragr. 2477: remarks contrary to the truth, harm(ing) the reputation of others and giv(ing)occasion for false judgments concerning them) and if you have sinned against charity and justice, you shall be in need of a priest as well."
      You, Mr Guile should ponder, your own words.
      When you live in a glass house you should not cast stones.
      Joy.

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    3. LOL. Don't mess with Frenchie. He even knows when the pope poops. LOL. Courage.

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