Wednesday, July 20, 2016

CARMEN HERNANDEZ, CO-FOUNDER OF THE NEOCATECHUMENAL WAY, HAS DIED

Posted by Chuck White
Carmen Hernandez

Neocatechumenal Way co-founder Carmen Hernandez dies at 85

http://www.ewtnnews.com/catholic-news/World.php?id=13953



Carmen Hernandez, co-founder of the Neocatechumenal Way, died today at home in Madrid, Spain. She was 85 years old.

Hernandez, along with Kiko Arguello and Fr. Mario Pezzi, made up the international team responsible for the ecclesial movement, which focuses on post-baptismal adult formation. It is estimated that the movement contains about 1 million members, in some 40,000 parish-based communities around the world.

Over the last year and a half, Hernandez had suffered deteriorating health, although she was never diagnosed with a specific disease.

She was last seen publically March 18 at an audience that Pope Francis granted missionary families of the Neocatechumenal Way.

The Holy Father also spoke to her by phone on July 1, during an audience with Kiko Argüello and Fr. Mario Pezzi.




Of course, we will pray for her soul, because of our concern about the grave damage she has done.

For his part, Kiko believes that she is already in heaven, as you can read in this letter.  No purgatory for her!

It gets better...Kiko says that she waited for his kiss before she died...it's all about him, after all.


Translation:
Beloved Brothers,

I give great news: today, at 4:45pm, our sister Carmen has departed for heaven. It is certain that our Lord Jesus has come to take her soul and take her with him. While we suffer for her loss, especially me, we are happy to know that our Lord Jesus has taken her with him.

Carmen, what an enormous help for the Way! She never flattered me, always thinking about the good of the Church. What a strong woman! I’ve never met anyone like her. In the announcements, with the youth, and the Pope, as now in Krakow, she would always tell them; “The woman is the most important of the Church, because she carries within her the factory of life. So on the first page of Genesis to the end of Revelations the devil is always persecuting the woman.” And she would end it saying. “I leave you Kiko as a gift.”

I hope to die soon and join her. Carmen has been for me a wonderful occurrence; the woman, her great (temper or genius –it means both), her charisma, her love for the Pope and especially her love for the Church.

Well brothers, my soul is aching, because she is no longer with us. But faith helps me and says that she is with Christ. Pray for her. You can celebrate Mass together in commemoration/memory of Carmen.

The Archbishop of Madrid has accepted that the funeral of Carmen be done, with the body present in the Cathedral, perhaps Cardinal Rouco can preside. The Itinerants of Europe are invited to the funeral, if you can come. We will tell you of the exact day.

Courage, that Christ is risen and has conquered death for us!

It has been touching for me that she waited until I arrived, I gave her a kiss and told her; “Courage” and after giving her a small kiss, she passed away.

Kiko Arguello


54 comments:

  1. She will now answer to God for the ill gotten wealth she gained as a co-conspirator of this NEO Cult.

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    1. Carmen has plenty of her family wealth. She didn't take it with her.

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  2. I would pray for her but according to the a Neo presbyter, praying for the dead is a waste of time and money.

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    1. Don't waste your time praying for her. She died with what she believed and taught, that praying for the dead is a waste of time.

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    2. Anon@ 8:35. I will "waste my time." I will waste my time because my faith teaches me to pray for the dead, especially those who are in most need of prayers.

      So, if you want to think that it's ok to adhere to someone else's assertion to not pray for the dead, especially one that is contrary to the teaching of our faith through the works of mercy, then you might as well become that which you think you are against.

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    3. Be care Anon@ 8:35...
      He had no thought of being loyal, but hounded the poor and the needy and the broken-hearted to their death.

      17 He had a taste for cursing; let it recoil on him! No taste for blessing; let it never come his way!

      18 Cursing has been the uniform he wore; let it soak into him like water, like oil right into his bones.
      psalm 109

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    4. Well put, Jose M. May each one of us rise above the fray when it comes to the eternal salvation even of a single soul whether he or she might not necessarily have done or have not done what is good. May we leave judgment to God who alone reads the hearts of all. Pray if we must, but only to petition God for the salvation of a soul - His daughter or son for eternity.

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  3. Maybe all the money she left behind will be used to start the process for her sainthood.

    "Eternal rest grant upon her..."

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  4. May she rest in peace.

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    1. i pray not....her movement has hurt too many souls. I pray that the elderly that were scammed by her movement are giving her eternal justice.

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  5. May she rest in peace. Amen. May our hearts never get so lost in anger that we lose sight of praying for all souls to be saved.

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    1. Okay, then. Mass or celebration?

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  6. Marilu D. MartinezJuly 20, 2016 at 9:34 AM

    Amen, Sharon. Mercy is now in the hands of God. May our prayers for all the souls departed include Carmen's and may she rest in peace.

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    1. The KAKA filled Zombies at the Dungbats blog are more concerned about the photo published in her memorial than praying for her soul...
      They definetly are not Catholic.

      AnonymousJuly 20, 2016 at 11:56 AM
      Out of all the photos you could choose, you use this one!?

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  7. RIP! Your in the hands of our Merciful Lord.

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  8. Breaking News: Chalan Pago visitation today

    Fr. Waldo announced the visit from the pulpit but did not mention a time. Maybe so he could pack it with Neo. I've been told it's at two o'clock.

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    1. What does it say about Hon and the Archdiocese of Agana when he decides to make a "visitation" to a parish but will not publicize an important detail such as the time he will visit? Just so he can report to the Vatican that he made his parish visits (never mind the attendance report)?

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    2. Kinda sounds like real dialog, huh?! Kinda sounds like the secrecy of all the surveys in the village parishes, huh?! Kinda sounds like the silence around the victims?! Kinda sounds like how our donations have been misspent on RMS in the past and how we are being "invited" to give even more?!

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  9. Carmen's death will mutate this NCW movement into a more deformed object.

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  10. No need to pray for her soul. Her own theology teaches that membership in the NCW is an automatic ticket to heaven.

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    1. Well, just in case...

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  11. Praying for Ms Carmen Hernandez.
    However, kiko's " kiss of Death" is
    Something to reflect upon.

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  12. We need to pray for her eternal rest. We need to pray for the NCW members, including the founders and leaders, living and dead.
    People don't generally choose to be in error - they usually think they are right.

    Presumably Carmen now knows what a mess the NCW created and how deep the problems are - where in deed the NCW departs from the Catholic Church. Pray that she might become an heavenly advocate for the reform of the movement.

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  13. It was mentioned some place that Jesus came to take her..., maybe Jesus wants to ensure that she walks inn
    the right direction and not make a detour to heaven..., gotta remember that in the Apostle Creed "...was crucified and was buried, He descended into hell", so maybe that is why H came to take Carmen to show her the "WAY"...I am still praying for her soul.

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  14. I'm amazed how humans can be so cruel, heartless, evil not only be in their minds but also to be in your heart. To all I say one thing: be sure, rest assured, this is something that few know, but something that I can tell you is: do good and want good, it's the right thing, and safe to do. Prayers for the warrior Carmen Hernandes, a woman I thank you, for everything you did for the church and for me.

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    1. We can still pray for a person while still acknowledging that she hurt the Church through the introduction and perpetuation of heresy. She needs these prayers the most.

      Evil and heartless? Drama and hyperbole make for a quick dismissal.

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  15. Stupid ch fuck white

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  16. Yes, I pray for her soul. At the same time, I hope she's not buried in her adidas tee. God help you, Kiko. You wish to die? And what kind of a mess will be left then? God help our Church.

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  17. “If you don't behave as you believe, you will end by believing as you behave.”
    ― Fulton J. Sheen

    May God have mercy on her soul!

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  18. For all the hoarding by this woman and her sidekick, Kiko, it goes to show that you can't take it with you. Give it up Tony.

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  19. Nothing lasts forever. People remember us for the good that we do, not for the money we accumulated and left for others to quarrel over. Such simple equation that we just cannot drill into our medulla oblongata. Thus the wisdom of nightly Examination of Conscience.

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  20. bad enough that neocat beliefs do harm to souls on earth. but it's even worse when they don't see the need to pray for the dead. not surprising, though, since they don't seem to believe in purgatory.

    may God have mercy on her soul and on the souls of all the faithful departed.

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    1. The NCW aren't interested in their dead because they can't get anymore money or property out of them.

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    2. This is very true; they also want to stand far away especially when the heirs find out that the property they were to inherit was givin away to these greedy NEO Cult Presbters or Catechists. The silver lining is the fact that these donated properties are never publicly announced to the group...

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  21. Kiko only called for a Mass to commemorate her.

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  22. With no malice intended, what would happen to the NCW when Kiko dies? Does the NCW have a "deep bench" that Kiko's way will continue after his passing?

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    1. NEOs will say "IF Kiko dies" but the rest of the normal world says "WHEN kiko dies." One can logically guess that NCW will hatch a fresh batch of deranged leaders when Arguelles departs to his next destination near the judgment seat of God. Churchmen who bribed him for upward mobility in the hierarchy will renew their efforts at pleasing new dictators, and another batch of ambitious clerics will make a dash to impress their neo backers. More crooked theology will arise from the fissures of the forked tongues of half-baked presbyters. More venomous rhetoric from self-appointed "intelligentsia" like the diana, and more neo wannabes will come to its defense to comedic effect. That is the legacy of Kiko Arguello whose haphazard application of warped theology, morality and history will live on through gullible, impressionable, guilt-ridden, misdirected individuals. For a while at least, then will fizzle before it dies down to a shameful end.

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  23. Interesting statement from Carmen as posted in "Rome Reports". Here Carmen makes this statement at the 40th anniversary of the NCW, " The NCW is not a movement or an organization. IT IS THE CHURCH."

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    1. She may not then need a room in the house of our Lord. At least, she'll have space at hotel Accion.

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  24. Going through your website, I think you are Catholic or at least Christian...but going by your comments and the comments on this site, you're not much better than the criticisms you make.


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    1. To anon at 12.09:
      We get a lot of so called "outsiders" like yourself, who post blanket comments like yours, which bring absolutely nothing to the fray. Instead of attempting (crudely) to judge thy neighbor, you should start educating yourself first. Which is something you apparently think you are above to even consider.
      God bless.

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    2. Another "holier than thou" just entered the jungle. May I please escort you to Diana's blog where you can scratch each other's back as much as you want!

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  25. Thank God for the discernment of Pope Francis and the Church. Lets all pray that the NCW and Kiko will listen and be obedient!
    Read what he said to them just before Carmen withdrew from public appearance in March http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2015/03/06/pope_francis_addresses_members_of_the_neocatechumenal_way_/1127462
    She must have died broken hearted hearing how the NCW has failed to impress the Pope.
    May God have mercy on her. Only he can judge-not us and not Kiko!!

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  26. YOU GUS ARE IDIOTS THOSE WHO ARE AGIANST THE WAY!! THANK TO THE NEOCATECHUMENAL WAY I AM ALIVE AND MY PARENTS ARE STILL TOGETHER!
    so STOP FUCKING BLASFEMING AGIANST THE WAY! you clearly have not understood the catechesis of the way correctly!
    You are too prodeful to admit they are true and go to hell!
    Carmen is going to be a saint and she is praying for you idiots so you can convert!
    IF IT WASNT FOR THE WAY I WOULD OF COMMITTED SUICIDE BY NOW!
    YOU DONT UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH THE WAY HELPS PEOPLE! STOP BEING BLIND!
    I HOPE YOU STUB YOUR PINKY TOE AND YOU STEP ON A LEGO!

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    1. The most charitable response to this, I think, is to assume you are a troll. Begone!

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    2. Wow, dude. Thanks for sharing with us some of that "fruit."

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    3. It's very hard to understand you with all of your yelling (CAPS) and the multiple misspelled words. Also, did you realize you said people in The Way are true and go to hell? Regarding your last sentence, "in that order"?

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    4. Three years ago I would have dismissed 1:54 PM as a parody, but, although it just may be, after three years of witnessing their brand of testimonial, it's not that hard to believe this is genuine.

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    5. Hey, Anonymous October 5, 2016 at 1:54 PM...
      YOU ARE AN IDIOT IN THE WAY, AND THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE AGIANST THE JUNGLEWATCH!! THANKS TO THE JUNGLEWATCH, CCOG, an the LFM, I AM ALIVE AND MY CATHOLIC BROTHERS AND SISTERS HAS STRENGTHEN THAT FAITH WHICH IS WHY WE ARE STILL TOGETHER!

      so STOP FUCKING BLASFEMING AGAINST THE JUNGLEWATCH! you clearly have not understood the one holy catholic and apostolic church correctly!
      You are too prideful to admit we are true and go to hell!
      Mr. Rohr, is being a saint and allowed your rant, he has been praying for you idiots so you can convert back to the one true church!
      IF IT WASNT FOR THE JUNGLEWATCH HIGHLITING THE ERRORS OF THE WAY, YOU WOULD HAVE OF COMMITTED HERESEY SUICIDE BY NOW!
      YOU DONT UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH THE JUNGLEWATCH HELPS PEOPLE IN THE NEO WAY! STOP BEING BLIND!
      I HOPE YOU STUB YOUR PINKY NEO TOE AND YOU STEP ON A LEGO AS YOU WALK A WAY!

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  27. the neocatechumenal way has saved my life so stop trash talking

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  28. It is not about being right or wrong.... The catechesis of the way go hand in hand with the catechesis of the catholic church.. have you ever read the catechesis of the catholic church?
    You really need to get the whole stack of catechesis of the way and then lokc oyurself in a room like martin luther did then talk to me what is diffenrent that the way says from the catholic church
    It goes back to the time of paul when he and peter evangelized and did little commnunites as we do.

    If you say the way is wrong in every possible way... Then why hasnt any pope demanded to close the way or argue against it?
    You realize that the vatican had to read all of Kiko's catecheisis in order to allow the neocatechumenal way to be formed?
    The pope has not found anything to argue against the catechesis.

    I dont know what the way has done to you but it may be that you have allowed pride to take over you when god was telling you that he loved you.

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    1. "You really need to get the whole stack of catechesis of the way and then lokc oyurself in a room like martin luther did then talk to me what is diffenrent that the way says from the catholic church"

      1. Yes, just like Martin Luther did. Ummm, that's the point. But never mind.
      2. Please tell us where to acquire "the whole stack of catechesis of the way." Ummm, that's the point. But never mind.

      And yes, God loves me and told me to do what I am doing. Maybe "you have allowed pride to take over you" and you believe yourself authorized to condemn what God is telling me to do.

      LOL. Bye.

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