Posted by Tim
In the wake of the good vibes of the recent advent of Archbishop Michael Jude Byrnes, there is quite a bit of talk about healing and forgiveness, as well there should be. Archbishop Byrnes appears to be the type of man and religious leader who can inspire and bring about both, and I personally look forward to his spiritual and administrative leadership.
In the wake of the good vibes of the recent advent of Archbishop Michael Jude Byrnes, there is quite a bit of talk about healing and forgiveness, as well there should be. Archbishop Byrnes appears to be the type of man and religious leader who can inspire and bring about both, and I personally look forward to his spiritual and administrative leadership.
Meanwhile, down here in the trenches, we want to make clear that said "healing and forgiveness" does not devolve to simply a smoothing over of just some simple misunderstandings. I believe Archbishop Byrnes knows that. I am not so sure that others do.
What occurred in our diocese over the last three years was not just a reaction to hurt feelings over some "misunderstandings," but the vomiting out of a sickening Evil, an Evil which had been fermenting and foaming for decades just beneath the crust of our fiesta faces.
The public battering of first, Fr. Paul, then Msgr. James, followed by the discovery of the real nature of RMS, the flagrant flogging of local sensibilities by the RMS product, the hiding and absconding of Luis Camacho, John Wadeson, and now Apuron, and the in-your-face smiling lies to cover all this by the previous Vicar General and Chancellor...all of this and more combined to break the thinning crust of our happy-face local church and finally the rotten, stinking torrent of filth burst forth for the whole world to see with the stench wafting all the way to the Vatican.
Healing and forgiveness apply to fallen human beings on both sides, but NOT the Evil itself. We do not dialogue with Evil. We do not give it "equal time." We resist "It" and call on St. Michael (the new archbishop is aptly named) and all the angels of Heaven to defend us in battle, to be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. We humbly ask God to rebuke "It," and call on the Prince of the Heavenly Hosts, by the divine power of God, to thrust into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen
There are those who want us to just stop, to just go away, to "be quiet now." They've wanted that from the beginning. It's in God's hands, they say. Yes it is. But note: The prayer says "defend us in battle."
The front is ready.
ReplyDeleteAmen, Tim! We hope Archbishop Byrnes is a strong leader. He seems to be a man of humble beginnings, and that characteristic always gives one a stronger appreciation of hurt, pain, suffering. Like Christ who saw the Pharisees as corrupt leaders of the Jews, Archbishop Byrnes who seems to put his faith and strength in Jesus Christ, can be tough against false leaders of our Church in our Archdiocese. We must do what we can now to help him succeed in tearing out the evil and the filth that has been planted in our Archdiocese by Apuron, his goons, and his enablers in the NCW and, yes, in the Vatican.
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous@9:13PM,
DeleteBoth the devil and human beings do evil. Mr. Rohr is asking us to fight evil. The archbishop is asking for healing and forgiveness. One does NOT forgive the devil; one DOES forgive hurtful, evil-doing human beings. We do not show much willingness to work with the new archbishop by calling those who cooperated with Archbishop Apuron "goons." Rather follow Jesus' example: He forgave Peter.
In so far as they persist in continuing to perpetrate that Evil and lie for it, they remain consubstantial with that Evil which must be resisted.
DeleteYet Jesus asked His Father to forgive those even as they were killing Him.
DeleteFinish the sentence "for they know not what they do." HIs crucifiers were Roman slaves who probably didn't have a clue who he was. However, Jesus had something quite different to say to those who DID KNOW what they did:
DeleteWoe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites...you are witnesses against yourselves, that you are the sons of them that killed the prophets... upon you may come all the just blood that hath been shed upon the earth, from the blood of Abel the just, even unto the blood of Zacharias the son of Barachias, whom you killed between the temple and the altar." Mt. 23
No forgiveness offered.
You mean those Pharisees had no role in the killing of Jesus and, therefore, are excluded from Jesus' prayer of forgiveness? Hmmm. I hope you are not going to tell me next that Jesus died for everyone else's sins but NOT their hypocrisy.
DeleteThat's why John Paul II forced us to retranslate our English version of the words of consecration from "for all" to "for many," which was the original.
DeleteStill, forgiveness is paramount and is a distinguishing characteristic for Christians. Matthew (6:12 ff.) cannot be clearer: "...forgive us our trespasses as we forgive our trespassers...For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you forgive not men, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."
DeleteYour argument is with Jesus, not with me. Done with this string.
DeleteMr Guile, I think only a small minority of those who cooperated with Abp Apuron got called goons - those who were goons (a supposedly "inelegant" though factual enough term when applicable).
DeleteYou are not the forgiveness police. You are not an injured party. Please join me in praying for good charisms in these good people's Church. Thank you!
Dear Austin,
DeleteI only proclaim the Gospel. If that means I am a forgiveness policeman, so be it.
Repent and you will be forgiven. Simple as that.
DeleteThe gospel according to Guile.
DeleteActually, it is the gospel according to Matthew, not Guile. And as for those Pharisees (see above) who helped crucify Christ, He died for them too: "He is an offering for our sins, and not for our sins only, but for those of the whole world" (1John 2:2).
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Why don't you just do your own blog.
Delete8.51, you aren't one.
DeleteThank you, Tim. I agree with you very much. In fact, in the context of the years long (even decades long) events in the Archdiocese of Agana --- the highlights of which you noted --- the word “healing” used in the past weeks, to some degree, rubs me the wrong way because it is too fluffy and it has the tendency to gloss over the very serious events and activities that caused the local Church to lose its bearings and brought it down to near crumble. The damage to the archdiocese could not have gone this far without the work of evil. But, I understand, in an everyday practical context, the Faithful are concentrated on their everyday lives and it is hard to notice on a bit-by-bit, day-to-day context that evil was/is doing its work the local Church. Lend to that context a tyrannical archbishop who promoted, whether implicitly or explicitly, activities that facilitated the work of evil to permeate the archdiocese. St. Paul nicely describes evil in 2 Corinthians 11:14 “No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.” It is easier to see the work of evil in the diocese today as we view it from hindsight. . The Faithful and the church leaders must guard against its continued workings in the archdiocese now that a big lesson has been learned.
ReplyDeleteThe fix will not simply entail “making nice” to each other. The fix is going to be a tremendous repair job after decades of neglect in all fronts of the local Church. And the fixes will take time. Some of the repairs will require many fundamental and substantive changes in the administration of the archdiocese (the highlights outlined by Abp Hon in his recommendations to Abp Apuron in 2015; see PDN article 12/3/2016 below); a call for the clergy for cohesive conduct becoming of priests; support for the clergy from the Faithful and from the archbishop; the stomping out of liturgical practices that are not Catholic; the ceasing of the spreading of teachings and beliefs, under the guise of “Catholic,” that are not in keeping with the Catholic teachings. These are just a few of the hundreds of possible repair work I imagine lies ahead. To your point, these problems didn’t get there without the work of evil, facilitated through everyday ordinary looking people, and even some, as St. Paul describes as “angle of light.” St. Michael the Archangel, continue to guard the Archdiocese of Agana from evil.
Thank you, Rose. You have restated it nicely.
DeleteI am having a hard time partaking in the joyous arrival of Archbishop Byrnes. My concern from day one was that group of heretics in the NCW. They are still hanging around and have yet to be dealt with. They, not the RMS issue, are the cause of division in this Archdiocese. It was they who ran amuck lying, cheating, stealing, bullying and perverting everything they got their hands on. I want them gone from our shores. They have no business being here. Guam is not a mission Archdiocese and that status needs to be corrected ASAP.
ReplyDeleteApuron was correct when he said No one can touch him but only if he did what Archbishop Hon suggested. Archbishop Byrnes will hopefully soon be able to make that claim. If the NCW is at the service to the bishop, then he needs to give them the boot because the NCW here are used to having the bishop serve them. Moratorium should not be an option. Complete expulsion from the Archdiocese is what must be done. The only reason they would want to exist here is to continue sucking off resources from this Archdiocese. Archbishop Byrnes must rein in these rabid dogs, collar them and get these damned to hell heretics out of this Archdiocese.
I understand your concern. However, at this point I am willing to give Byrnes time to do what must be done. He's not permanently here really until January. Meanwhile, I would like us all to turn our attention to our liturgies and practices, especially what the Vatican requires for liturgical music. In some ways, the Kikos actually follow the Vatican norms for liturgical music whereas, as far as I can see, our "regular liturgies" completely ignore them. Let's see if we can clean up our house now that we have a new start.
DeleteYes! And let there be none of the usual "but no one told us we couldn't do it" type of excuses. A lack of prohibition or reprimand is not the same as permission to do something.
DeleteAnother lament is "so many young people are not going to church." This is not surprising if they feel nothing special in the mass. It's worth a try to get back to proper worship. If it doesn't work we could put Play Stations and X Boxes in every pew. How about big screen televisions so no one will miss the big game? Temperpedic Memory Foam cushions? Massage chairs? Coffee and doughnut stations? There are lots of things we can try. But first let's try having a mass that is both valid and licit.
Temperpedic cushions and massage chairs will work for me Andrew. On the other hand, it is nice to see that Mongmong is now bringing in kneelers for Holy Communion. About half the people are taking advantage of the opportunity to kneel, while the other half still wonder what the big deal is. The pulpit needs to emphasize the Body of Christ and the reverence that is due to what we Catholics profess to believe. Maybe then we can truly get our churches back.
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DeleteTim, would it be possible to make a post for people to comment parishes in which they have witnessed abuses in the liturgy? I believe it would help shed light on this matter and strong arm pastors into following the rubrics laid out by Rome.
DeleteWhile I don't believe in "strong arming" pastors, it is important that we begin to address these things. Perhaps the best way to report something would be to pose it as a question. I'll make a post soon.
DeleteHey there Jungle Watchers! Give Diana the gift of "spam"! this holiday season! All you need to do is copy and paste what you see below on her blog all over as many times as you like. Merry Christmas, Diana! Have fun deleting all of our spam!
ReplyDeleteFeel free to design your own "spam" for Diana!
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A Distributed Denial of Service (DDOS) attack against the NCW Cult propaganda website for Guam is not the solution.
DeleteWe must not fall to their level.
Instead we should pray for NCW Cult members, and help individuals and families escape the clutches of the Cult and return to the One, True, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
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DeleteAre you five years old?????? 9:19 PM
ReplyDeleteActually, the problem, the REAL problem is that Diana is NOT a "liar." She actually believes what she says...or more correctly, is told to say. The real liars are Pius, Adrian, David, and Apuron.
ReplyDeleteBlame the local bishops for allowing those diabolic Neocat Masses.
ReplyDeleteCharismatics here were even worse years ago. They held insane, holy roller-style "Masses" in a huge, Holiday Inn hotel banquet room with the celebrant performing like a raving lunatic on stage. No altar, just a bare table. Hundreds of people hollering in tongues and falling all over the floor for hours. The bishops allowed it.
Thankfully, Charismatics are rarely seen here now and they're few in number. Like the local Neocats, mainly Hispanic and Filipino. They were openly anti-Marian and they wouldn't tolerate priests other than their own twisted ones.
Worse yet, their blasphemous "Baptism in the Spirit" replaced Sacramental Baptism. They were a horrifying bunch. I hope Bp. Byrnes severed his ties to them.
Once Rome threw the Ancient Mass overboard and replaced it with a community centric Mass, the Catholic world exploded with movements of every kind looking for something more meaningful. They're still looking.
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