Tuesday, December 6, 2016

FORGIVENESS? - PART 1

Posted by Tim

I am continually amused by those who believe that our campaign against the injustices perpetrated by the powerful of this diocese is somehow motivated by a vendetta, or a response to a personal wound, or just "hate." It shows how far we have sunk from an ability to recognize Evil, put on the armor of God, and go out to do battle with it.

Our inability to do this isn't just an oversight, it is an age-old tactic of Satan: apathy, except that in the present case, the apathy is made even more sinister by dressing it up in the Christian garb of "forgiveness," and then "forgiveness shaming" anyone who doesn't measure up to the "can't we all just get along" mantra of the "forgiveness police." (credit to Austin OE

By chance (?) as I sat down to write this post, I checked my Facebook first and came across an article in the National Catholic Register entitled: "Come Out of the Cold This Advent," and subtitled: "Praying for someone does not mean you agree with the bad things they do." Here is the money quote:

"Anger in the face of evil is both just and necessary. It is the human response that Jesus Himself evinced when he was confronted with the leaven of the Pharisees. Anger that does not fester, that does not hate, but propels us into good, positive action to right wrongs, is not a sin. It is a force."
This is  precisely the "anger" which has motivated me and others over these three years of doing "battle" with the enemy. In our case, wrong after wrong is being righted. First there was the elimination of Apuron's episcopal authority. Then there was the clearing of Fr. Paul's name, then Msgr. James, then the exposition of the truth about RMS (that it is NOT a seminary for Guam), then the return of the property, the abolishing of the RMS Board of Guarantors, the legal disconnection between the seminary corporation and the Neocatechumenal Way, and then the appointment of  a successor to Apuron who is NOT Adrian or David as had been planned. 

All of this is a result of an unfailing, persistent "positive action to right wrongs." And, ultimately it was and remains a SPIRITUAL effort. We knew what we were dealing with. We were not dealing with mere men - however corrupted they might have become, but with "the spirits of wickedness in the high places."

A mere sinful man does not spend his priesthood molesting and raping young boys and then, without compunction and without regard to what may become of his diocese, go on to accept a bishopric in the same diocese and in the face of the "little ones" he destroyed. (Do you really think John Paul II would have approved of his appointment if he knew of Apuron's past?) We are dealing with something far more serious and sinister than mere human failing. 

What did he think was going to happen? 

Actually, in Apuron's case: NOTHING. He was so convinced of his power and so fortified by the siren promises of the Kiko's that his episcopal motto became "no one can get me," a phrase he repeated many times to those he thought were in his confidence. 

In fact, he was so sure that those he molested and abused would remain silent that upon meeting one of his victims, Roland Sondia, in the early 80's, only a few years after molesting him, Apuron pretended as if nothing had happened and casually showed him around the new Agana rectory, making sure to point out "John's room," which was a slap to Roland which said "See! If you didn't run away, you could have this too!" (Read Roland's statement here.)

To be continued






49 comments:

  1. If our outrage results in restoring people into loving, healing relationships with Jesus, it's righteous anger.
    onward with the crusade against NCW on the island of Guahan and beyond.

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  2. O' what a web it weaves when this KAKA fill NEO Cult Dungbat continually practices to deceive. So many; yes many lies it tells tells to propagate the poop coming from this NEO cult.

    From the KAKA filled NEO Cult Dungbats latest blog.

    DianaDecember 6, 2016 at 9:21 AM
    Dear Anonymous at 9:07 am,

    Let us be honest here. The seminary was founded on Guam on December 8, 1999. The only time it became an issue was in 2011, which was 12 years later when the former Archdiocesan Council wanted to sell it. With the deed restriction gone, CCOG and LFM will now move forward into trying to convince Archbishop Byrnes to shut down the seminary and sell it. And they will use the ad hoc committee's report as reason for shutting it down. So, who is really being greedy?

    If Archbishop Apuron is found guilty, he will be removed and Archbishop Byrnes will automatically become the Archbishop of Agana. The NCW can live with that because we know that Byrnes was once part of the Charismatic Renewal and supported the Alpha program. Although he does not know the NCW well, he at least heard of its charism.

    The question is....what if Archbishop Apuron is found not guilty? Would you accept that verdict?

    Archbishop Apuron have spoken. He has told you so many times that The RMS property belongs to the Archdiocese of Agana and that he is in control How many more times did you want to hear the same story told over and over????? The fact that Archbishop Byrnes was able to remove the two boards of RMS and lift the deed restriction was proof that ONLY the Archbishop of Agana and his successor is in control. If RMS or the NCW REALLY owned and controlled that property, common sense should have told you that there would have been no way Archbishop Byrnes would have done what he did. A former owner cannot simply take property back from the new owner once it is given away......it only takes common sense to understand that.

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    1. Oh yawn. etc etc etc. same ol same ol. so what happened to the "RMS is a corporation sole" Diana? LOL.

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    2. Thanks for the vigilance of Tim Rohr for pointing out that November deadline to take it back.

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    3. BTW, if the Archbishop of Agana controlled RMS he would not have had to file for quiet title in the Superior Court of Guam. He did this to discourage legal action by the RMS Board of Guarantors.

      The issue from the beginning was the power of the Board of Guarantors. In abolishing this Board, Byrnes risked being sued by the Gennarini's. The bet was that they wouldn't but they could. This is why it was not only necessary to convey title to the property (yes the title was alienated) back to the Archdiocese of Agana by the filings at Rev and Tax, but also the legal filing in the Superior Court which blocks the Gennarini's.

      This is why Attorney Ed Terlaje, in 2011, objected to Apuron's desire to transfer title to RMS without amending the articles. He wanted Apuron to retain control of RMS and knew that without amending the articles, the Board of Guarantors would have control.

      As I laid out previously, getting the property back required multiple legal measures and a calculated risk. If the archbishop was really in control NONE of these things would have been required. Even now the Gennarini's could still sue Byrnes.

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    4. Hey Diana, is there anyone in your NCW group who checks your facts? You and your other mouthpieces--Eusebio, Edivaldo, Jackie "the Trained Lawyer" Terlaje; the Zoltan; Adrian; David C. Quitugua; etc. have screwed the future of the NCW on Guam, with all your lies and arrogant statements that you guys continue to make about all the great things the NCW has done for us. NADA! Go fly a kite!

      You guys can't even give a good press conference! I'd never pick Eusebio, Edivaldo or any of you guys to face the news media and their questions. You read something, then you can't answer questions related to what you just read! Check out Eusebio's press conference and subsequent appearance on K57 Radio! He kept dodging the questions on the radio!

      You can't give us a straight answer! As a result, you and your NCW organization: Your catechists; your responsibles; your presbyters; your seminarians, all have lost your credibility with the Catholic Faithful here in Guam.

      You don't even know how to handle a group of seniors who wanted to visit the RMS in Yona: You call the cops in the first go around; next, you go crying to Filoni your protector in the Vatican to stop the old ladies from visiting the RMS building in Yona--even after Fr. Jeff, the big boss of the Archdiocese at the time, said it was okay to visit; then on the 3rd go around you close the door on the old ladies wanting to see the facilities!! SMH! LOL!

      So what have you guys got to hide down there at that building you still call a "seminary"? Are you guys running some illegal activities down there?

      So, in the end. . .you guys don't know how to handle your affairs at all. Because all that you are is based on lies, deceit; arrogance; and Kiko Kaka.

      So Diana, whoever you are, why don't you tighten your bootstraps, pack up and leave.

      A message to the presbyters in the parishes. . . I think it is time for all of you to officially resign and return to your home countries and have Kiko take care of you.

      To the Seminarians at the RMS: Get Pius Sammut to buy you plane tickets and head back to your home countries and properly go to your bishops and ask them to fund your formation into the priesthood, if you truly are willing to serve, otherwise, quit and go back to living your regular lives. Don't follow this heretical cult that calls itself Catholic when it is not following its own approved statutes and directives from the Pope.

      And finally for the followers of the NCW on Guam--and Saipan--time to face the music. . . eat some humble pie and return to your normal lives. You have been wounded and deceived long enough. Merry Christmas!

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    5. Talk about fact-checks and "Let's be honest, here", Diana!

      How about this fact, a friend of mine held a wedding reception at the old Accion Hotel in May 2000. So, how could it have been founded as a seminary on December 8, 1999. . . It was still a hotel on that date. More lies. . .trying to use as a cover for that fake seminary, a very important date for us Catholics on Guam, the day we honor the pure and without the stain of the original sin of Adam and Eve, the Immaculate Conception of the Holy Mother of God, our Patroness, the Blessed Virgin Mary!

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    6. Just to clarify, the "seminary" was canonically erected in 1999 and was moved to the Yona location in 2002. It is the equivalent of getting a business license at Rev & Tax and then finding a place for your business later.

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    7. Diana 9.21, there you go trying to hang the grapes back on the tree. Were they just a trifle sour for your taste after all?

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  3. Thanks for this article. Yes, it helps in putting our "anger" in proper perspective. I remember reading about Saint John Paul II visiting his assassin in prison. He told him he has forgiven him but it didn't mean he can be set free after that or Saint JP II ordered his release.

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  4. We cannot forgive Evil or let our guard down against it. It's intent is to destroy us. Even our Lord's providence does not allow for evil ever to be reconciled with him? St. Peter himself reminds us that the Devil is prowling around looking for a soul to devour. Wake up Church...

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    1. No, those in Hell - and only the Lord knows who they are, and not our judgement, but his - are there for ever, etrnally.
      Lets take Hitler, Stalin and Apuron, my self, and you, as examples:
      What do we know about the sins and customs of our ancestors, that influenced and waekend our personality, to follow Jésus?
      So let us close our mouth, in english:"Shut up!", fight against evil, but never fall in the trap to judge definitively any one.
      This is Gods business.
      But we must fight, as Tim Rohr does, and also you and myself should do, with all our intelligence, with all our strengts and with all our heard, against evil, inside and outside the Catholic church!
      Lets take the last unforgiveble speach of Cardinal Mueller - who sould be the guardian of the faith of our Catholic Church, and became here traitor - in occasion of his public presentation of Kiko Arguellos, heretic and redicolous book: "Anotationes 1988-2014".
      I fighted against those "Ano - tationes", writing a little book of 150 pages: "Kiko I want to talk with you" (in italian, "Kiko, ti voglio parlare" ed: Segno, 2016). But weanwhile i writed this pamflet, I prayed, us I pray everyday for my ex catechist Kiko, as a person, not
      as the founder of a satanic sect, deguised by him and "saint" Carmen Hernandez, as catholic, and what is the maximum of evil, protected by all the popes from Paul VI, John Paul II, until Francis I, and a multitude of Cardinals, Bishops and Priests.
      For whome do I fight? For my Catholic Apostolic Church, into whome I was baptized in Christ, at the age of 29. Born us a Jew and baptized us a catholic Jew, finally open to every person, Jewish, German, fom Guam (Guamish ?) Muslim, Buddist ecc.

      Greetings in the Name of Mary and Jesus (two other "catholic Jews", but Mary became the mother of Jesus, and through him of every person, and Jesus, the son of God and of Mary,

      Daniel Lifschitz,

      looking for a translator of my 2 Books against Kiko Arguello.

      danielalexanderlifschitz@gmail.com

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    2. could you correct, before publishing, my english ortografy. I suppose to speak quite well, but never studied English in a school.

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    3. I do not think that anyone in JW is judging the person of Apuron as to his sins or the severity of it, or to pronounce that he is destined to Hell, or to say that he is the Devil. The point we are trying to get across is the devilish acts that is happening in the deceit and lies, abuse, and the cover up are in fact the works of the Devil, perhaps manifested in the works of men including bishops who are not holy and living according to the precepts of Christ. We hold to the Teaching of the Church that Man is created in the image and likeness of God, and according to Scripture if he turns from his sinful ways and returns to God will be saved. (Ezek 18) But make no mistake about it, the Devil is behind all these evil acts, and we are called to defend against it, weather perpetuated by a bishop or lay person.

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  6. The problem with the Dungbats latest blogs of deseption is that ArchNEO Cult Presbyter "brother Tony" Apuron after being confronted by his victims, never sought forgiveness. He flaunted his title and further threatened then that "no one would beleive them if the told anyone". From the latest headline blog of this KAKA filled NEO Cult Dungbat:


    Anger against evil is fine. We abhor the sin, but NOT the sinner. However, the jungle does not hate the sin. They hated and attacked the sinner. You even see it in their picket signs. They say "defrock APURON" (who is a person). Their signs NEVER said "Stop Sex abuse" which is the evil.

    Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners. Christ died for us..

    Christ came to save us sinners because He loved SINNERS. He never hated them. It was our SINS that He hated. There is a huge difference between the man and the sin. Man was created in the image and likeness of God. Sin was not. Christ loved the sinners that He died for them.

    Archbishop Apuron is undergoing a canonical trial to determine whether he is guilty of sexual molestation. Because we live in a society where a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, this rule of law should be respected. Because we are Christians, it is right to be patient for the result of the canonical trial rather than to judge and condemn a person.
    Diana at 1:05 PM



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    1. If we hated Tony, we would have signs that say GO TO HELL, APURON. Apuron is a public person by virtue of his office. He abused that office to amuse and satisfy himself. "Defrock" is short hand for "Remove him from office," the office of the priesthood which he has soiled and stained.

      BTW, Apuron is NOT undergoing a canonical trial for sex abuse. That's they myth they want us to believe. His "trial" is more about the 30 year thick file in the Vatican on him that existed long before the sex abuse stuff showed up.

      Apuron's trial for sex abuse will be played out in Guam courts.

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  7. I was just reminded about the pastoral visit to Guam by Archbishop Hon, Archbishop Martin Krebs and the Rev. Tadeusz Nowak. AAApuron caught on camera several times makes his get away by exiting the back door. Unbelievable and embarrassing for the pastoral visitors of an Archbishop, supposedly in the light, to do such a thing.

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    1. I remember the 2015 Visit also. I remember Mother Dawn very nicely hosting all the neo visitors at her monastery. She sure got thrown under the neo bus.

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  8. Apuron can receive forgiveness, however he has to come to his senses, admit he screwed up and ask for forgiveness, he must then face the consequences for the choices he made and last of all relinquish the shepherd duties as he has compromised the authority entrusted him, and he has betrayed and hurt so many people, most especially the innocent victims of his selfish passions.

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    1. Apuron must confess to his crimes first and then receive forgiveness.

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    2. Yes, the monster needs to admit his involvement in the sexual abuse of the former altar servers, then can ask for forgiveness......Of course, he won't. Arrogant SOB.

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  9. Agree 3:19. Arch. STOP with the innocence of Arch. Apuron. He needs to stay still and face the people.

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    1. How will the sex abuse cases be tried if Guam's judges keep recusing themselves? They all use the excuse of being too closely related to one side or the other.
      Agnes

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    2. It just goes to show how high the NCW reaches are in the government.

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  10. We may forgive, but no burial in the Cathedral Basilica!

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    1. Rose de los Reyes (Seattle, WA)December 8, 2016 at 9:04 AM

      "Amen" to that!

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  11. Well it puzzles me why your side had said so much except the other side. Cristobal, Msgnr David and Archbishop Apuron have not said anything ill towards you? Why is that. You attack but they did not fight back or any of NCW? HMMMMMMM.

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    1. Well remain puzzled no longer. Adrian publicly accused me starting a conspiracy in his press release of May 13, 2016 and so did Eduvaldo. In fact, they both said enough using my name that I could sue the pants off them (pardon the visual), and I still may. As for Apuron, he accused me of conspiring against him as well. In fact he went to Rome to try to get me ousted from the Knights of the Holy Sepulcher. David's publication of the false certificate of title was criminal, and I'm not done with him yet. All three of them were behind the decree accusing the CCOG of "plotting against the Church." Given their power, what they said and did was exponentially greater than the anonymous comments on this blog. Oh, and fight back? What do you think you are doing here? What do you think the Diana does daily? LOL

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    2. Tim,there was even rumors / accusations that YOU had paid the victims to lie and Doris Concepcion had the biggest Pay Check from you...lol..

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    3. there was a story in the news recently about a dmv employee getting arrested for "tampering with public records," where the employee was accused of registering a car without the necessary supporting documents. it seems to me that messing with records regarding a large piece of real estate would be far more serious than a car registration. better get ready, ye guilty parties.

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    4. Rose de los Reyes (Seattle, WA)December 8, 2016 at 9:04 AM

      I agree with Tim. Presbyters Adrian and David-the-Lurch are not quiet. They are likely contributors behind the mis-information and spins/lies in the Diana Blog. They are also not lending their voices and faces publicly because they likely don't want to draw attention to themselves at the risk of reminding folks of their involvement in the Yona property deceitful deed transaction. They want to keep a low profile for that reason. Presbyters Adrian and Evivaldo's refusal to conform (even until now!) to the priest re-assignments issued this past summer are likely why they are keeping a low profile, too, except Presbyter Evivaldo did make it to the JungleWatch news this week in relation to a parish vehicle gone missing. Abp Apuron is currently silent because he his holed up in a canonical trial which is in progress. I bet his canon lawyer is making him shut up for the sake of not making his case any worse than what it already is (oh, what a challenge that must be for his lawyer!) As to Jackie-the-Trained-Lawyer, she stopped publicly bashing the Faithful since her firing as the head of the Cemetery Board (along with that entire NCW Board) in early-October. That event seemed to have muzzled her public statements on behalf of the NCW and/or Abp. Apuron. Thank God!

      The NCW has not been quiet. The most recent and embarrassing appearance made on their behalf was only about two-and-a-half weeks ago when Mr. Eusabio called a press conference to publicly slam Mother Dawn Marie and the Carmelites.

      Anon 6:32 is pointing out the silence of the key people of the local NCW in the context of their piousness, kindness, forgiveness --- they are being bashed yet they don't say anything against folks like me who have bashed them. Three things: Anon 6:32 (1) came late to the party and has no background of the long thread of ill acts the NCW leadership has done prior to this present time; (2) has amnesia and forgot the terrible things the NCW leadership has done; and (3) thinks that "our side" is simply going to take her statement at face value that Presbyters Adrian and David-the-Lurch and Abp. Apuron and the rest of the NCW leadership gang have never had anything ill to say about our side despite the bashing they receive from "our side." No, there is too many evidence to take her statement at face value. It is a bit naive of a commentary.

      Regardless, I think their current silence maybe that, hopefully, they realize that their public statements and appearances lend to worsening the situations they want to refute or explain away. Also, they are quiet (at least for now) perhaps because they don't want to publicly say anything stupid with a new archbishop in town. It's going to highlight their idiocity. Frankly, Anon 6:32, I welcome the silence from "you side."

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  12. Apuron = Fruitcake

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  13. I found the following books useful:

    - Cults, a practical guide, by Ian Haworth, pubd by the Cult Information Centre, London. 1-873166-84-2 See p. 25 and 33 especially.

    - Cults. who is vulnerable? [her answer is, everybody of course] by Audrey Chaytor, pubd Quoin Pubg Ltd, Middlesbrough. 978-1-907257-37-7. See p. 22 especially.

    - Healing Traumatised Churches by Ronald H Wean, pubd Xulon Press. 978-1-62230-394-6.

    Trauma and Recovery by Judith Herman MD, revised ed 2015, pubd Basic Books, New York. The good news for our lives that Judith brings is that our lives from now on can be a journey of and towards recovery, if we are determined.

    Note everybody (on all sides of the trouble) needs their own debriefing space and time in their own chosen company, which no-one else must hijack, and which could take place any number of times, any number of years into the future. No-one should be told what to think by someone who hasn't got a clean conscience.

    These four put new heart (corraggio) into me. One day, the panic-filled nights will evolve!

    This is not something that overbearing I'm-all-right-jacks will do for us. They should sling their hooks!

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  14. thankyou Tim for this important reflection.
    over the years Apuron made me very angery to the point of making me go to extradionary lengths to get revenge. I am not saying I am right. But Apurons disgusting evil left me with no option. honestly i hate him even now more than anyone knows. very deep hate for him.
    But now he is gone i'm just praying now to forgive him. Thats all I can do. He robany years from me but i one day i pray i can forgive the bastard.
    I just want to see David Lujan make the Archdiocese pay for everything Apuron did. if it bankrupts the better. True Justice for all evil he did.

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    1. Anon 11:15 PM..I know exactly how you feel and what you mean..We are ALL in this together,But,as hard as it may be,Inner peace begins the moment we choose NOT to allow another person or event to destroy or control our emotions....Forgiveness does NOT come easy and does NOT excuse Apuron's behavior nor should we allow His behavior from destroying our Hearts and inner Peace either..... Apuron has destroyed so many lives whether he is willing to admit it or not..We ALL want justice for ALL the Evil he has done.... I know Dave Lujan is fighting for the Victims and I know They esp Apuron will pay the price both here on earth and come Judgement day..

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    2. 11.15 and 12.45, their laying waste our time, our trust and our framework of anchor-beliefs, and the fact that many of those around us remain fooled, was not something small. Forgiveness is daily work.

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  15. Where lies a pattern of veiled answers and secrecy; lies and deceptiveness and especially, the performance of sanctimonious tasks for appearance sake, there evil lives and thrives.

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  16. The only two groups Jesus didn't forgive were child abusers and bankers (money changers in the temple). As always, He was right. Pedophiles, including Apuron, should be thrown to the sharks.

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    1. Very strong assertion 3:26am.

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  17. Pedophiles are pathological liars. That's how they protect themselves. Don't believe a word Apuron says.

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  18. Walter Denton's agonizing video about being raped by Apuron when he was a child of 8 should be posted here permanently. Just below stories of Apuron's rape victims dead from suicide. It took every ounce of courage that suffering, US Army veteran had at age 52 to release horrific details he will never forget.

    As a bishop, Apuron's sick attempt to make amends later in Denton's life amplifies what an unrepentant psychopath he is. He should be defrocked and laicized!!

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  19. Anger in the face of evil may be just and remain just if not allowed to fester. Anger is NOT necessary. Jesus used anger once against those abusing His Father's house. He did not let His anger fester for three years, either. If anger were necessary in the face of evil, then Jesus would have to have been angry much--maybe even most--of His three-year ministry. Instead of anger, Jesus responded in other ways to evil: being resolute, loving, forgiving, or merciful. Thank God that anger is not necessary as a response or resistance to evil.

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    1. Holy Indignation, anyone?

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    2. Parent: "I'm boiling! I just found out my son the Altar boy has been molested and raped for three years."
      Forgiveness Cop: "You know it's not God like to be angry nor necessary."

      ... and scene.

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    3. Guile. you cannot be loving, forgiving or merciful to evil.

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    4. ""O-o-oh, sometimes,
      It causes me to tremble, tremble, tremble"

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  20. Timothy Guile, both St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas disagree with your spineless views on anger. You sound like a pedophile sympathizer...or worse.

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