So glad to be back, do you think that the NCW wants to make an entire change within the church thus requiring ALL faithful Catholics to follow this particular path with the approval of Rome of course?
To Anonymous June 19, 2014 at 6:59 PM who asks:"So glad to be back, do you think that the NCW wants to make an entire change within the church thus requiring ALL faithful Catholics to follow this particular path with the approval of Rome of course?"Consider the follow facts:1.) In 2003 every deacon candidate was mandated/forced to join the NCW. If they did not they would not be ordained. The NCW communities welcomed them with great joy, as we had been told they would be the basis for great expansion of the Way in Guam.2,) Chapels built with Archdiocesan funds, but money raised primarily by the non-NCW parishioners, are now being used primarily for NCW activities. As in Santa Bernadita the style was specifically made to accommodate the NCW liturgy, with the altar extended out into the congregation. In Santa Ana the group was told they could have Sunday mass one Sunday per month, but the NCW uses it two to three times per week, including their weekly Eucharist on Saturday.3.) While Guam has many seasoned priests, more and more parishes are being given to brand new priests from RMS who instantly become pastors. This is vastly unfair to the new priests who are completely unprepared for this responsibility straight out of the seminary, and also unjust to those priests of 10-20 years who remain as parochial vicars. And when a NCW priest goes into that parish things are often quickly changed to conform more to NCW teaching and practices. Wedding and funeral customs are dropped or changed, penance from confessions take on a very NCW flavor, mass times are changed, etc. Churches are not opened for rosaries as they once were. Even art work is removed or replaced, sometimes without regard to the donor who supplied the statute, etc.4.) In several NCW parishes, NCW members have totally taken over CCD, marriage prep, RCIA, and the new programs have a NCW slant to them.5.) In a recent mass for deacon candidates, the deacon candidates were given communion NCW style, even though they were not in the NCW.6.) Young men who want to become priests but who do not come through the NCW track are shunned and set apart. In the case of Junee Valencia he is required to live in isolation in Malojloj apart from the other seminarians. In the case of Aaron Quitugua, the Archbishop will not even sponsor his enrollment in a regular seminary so he can pursue his calling, but they will allow him to enter RMS Yona if he so chooses.7.) Fr Paul agreed to allow the NCW to establish in Dededo, but only if they conformed to all Liturgical requirements. This outraged Pat Cottman and others, and we see the ultimate response of the NCW and the Archbishop in removing him so the NCW can be established based on there rules, and not Church rules.(will be continued)
I see this creeping emphasis in bringing the NCW to more and more parishes. It is not done in the same manner as other movements. I joined the Cursillo movement two years ago. They also have a catechesis, but it was an island wide calling for men that wanted to join. After our "graduation" from our three day course, we were immediately reintegrated to the parish. We celebrate the sacrifice of the mass with the entire parish community every week. We are encouraged to become active members of the parish community. We are also encouraged to gather in small groups of 6-8 cursillistas to grow in our faith and share our experiences in this. But we do not have an extensive hierarchy in the Cursillo movement like the NCW does. The Church is our hierarchy. Couples for Christ does the same thing. All the funding for Cursillo comes from its members, and absolutely nothing comes from the Archdiocese. On the other hand, vast amounts of money are spent by the Archdiocese for the NCW. Fr Pius has been on the Archdiocese payroll for decades, and his sole purpose is to promote the NCW, yet not a penny goes to support all the other movements on Guam.The NCW growth is done on a measured and covert basis to slowly gain the appearance of acceptability and then they will do more to take over every parish on Guam. With three more RMS seminarians to be ordained later this year there will be an increased push for the NCW in the parishes, and the push is not always voluntary or accepted by the people. But as I have shown above, the NCW seems to have absolutely no hesitation about forcing it upon everyone on Guam. And when the NCW has most parishes controlled by the priests formed at RMS Yona, if you want to feel like a full member of a parish, eventually NCW membership will be the only way to feel this acceptance. Obviously, not everyone will join, but like Junee, Aaron, and countless others, they will be left to feel like mere guests in the NCW church, not really welcomed, but tolerated.So, anon at 6:59, do I think the NCW wants to completely take over the Archdiocese?ABSOLUTELY. But it is not just a gut feeling that I have from observing within the NCW and now from viewing on the outside. This belief is supported by the facts of what the NCW has done and continues to do. That is why I will do my part to try and see the Church remains a place for all people, not just those who follow one particular movement or another. And that is why I am ever so happy to be back in my parish and Holy Mother Church!
To glad to be, thank you for answering the question and for the insights.
Thank you for your letter/ message. I to know of some who wish to leave but are afraid of being "black balled." A couple of years back I know of a couple who left the NCW and when they met up with some of their former community members they were shrugged off and prejudged about their leaving to the point where the couple lost a family member and were told that it was God's punishment upon them for leaving the NCW. I thought to myself, "how can one say such a thing to another?" We are the instruments of God, we are to promote the Gospel message of love and compassion towards one another. After reading so many articles in JW, I pray that one day SOON, we all will be united within the Church and one another and be who we are suppose to be..... THE CHILDREN OF GOD! ................. we are ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC and APOSTOLIC .....
Prejudged =assumption? Kinda vague. People who left the way are not condemned. This is purely generalized and negatively pre-speculation.
I totally agree. I am also a former walker of the NCW.
4:49, thank you for sharing your experience.
If you leave the way,or do not follow yes you will get sick or face death in the family.when people leave the way within six months crisis evolves sickness or death. So just keep walking and be safe. Stop walking is like death.
9:34 AM. Thank you for your prophecy! I am sure we will take note of this. Is this what Kiko taught you or are you just trying to make trouble?
To Anonymous June 20, 2014 at 9:43 AM - is that you again Deacon Harold? At first when I read this I thought it must be a hoax, but then I remembered what a former neo (not kiko) told me about 9 months ago. They really do believe salvation is through the "Way". So it is entirely plausible to see how a mentally twisted kiko who has been feces for a long period of time could actually believe what 9:43 said. "Stop walking is like death".Bad english is a first clue of seminarian, and so when I saw this comment I immediately thought of Deacon Harold who will soon be Fr Harold. Imagine his homilies when he becomes a priest...we could see spontaneous human combustion in the pews!Deacon Harold, you certainly are a Summa Cum Laude graduate of the RMS funny farm in Yona. Use those smarts and go on mission somewhere else please. The moon would be a good choice.
Oh Mary Lou and your grammar is great? Oh my don't get dizzy up there and get off your high horse. You rant a whole page which sound like a quarter whore from Anigua. To go against the WAY is to oppose the Pope darling. Do yourself a favor, read creative writing for dummies .
Father Pablo is the one who answers the question if the candidate is prepared and ready for ordination during the Rite. Doesn't the handsome priest/rector from Bolivia have something to answer for?
And idiot at 2:37. Mary Lou did not make a comment on this post. But thanks for the page view. Come on back.
Poor English occasionally comes from one desk at chancery and the same darn errors are on Diana's blog. Well, I'll be!
Yep. I was about to say that Diana, given the horrible grammar and pathetically illogical sequence of thought, sounds like he's a member of the ESL club, but then I realized who Diana probably, er, most likely, is. Pretty easy to tell.
Oops got caught Father Alberto! Nowhere to hide now!
Those Pesky grammar errors.
Nope. Not Fr. Alberto. :)
Well, we could live with the "grammar errors" if the content was sound. Its a sad day for the Church when a deluded, fanatical, cross-dresser claims to be the spokesman.
NOPE NOT THE CANARY
Spokeswoman is exactly how she sees herself. And HE even gets to do it sometimes when the Archbishop his hiding under his desk.
Glad to be back states that Fr Pius has been paid by the Archdiocese for years, and I have heard this from others as well. Because no one at the Chancery sees fit to deny this then we can rightfully assume this is correct information. So what does this mean?We have a foreign priest, Fr Pius, who comes to Guam to establish the kikodom. And all the people of the Archdiocese support him. He does not have a parish assignment, he does not do activity other than kiko-work. But he is not on Guam all the time. Why?Well he owes no allegience to the Archbishop because he answers to a different bishop, and because "Tony" is just a brother. He travels frequently to other places outside of Guam. To Saipan, to Hawaii, to the Solomon Islands, and to a bunch of other places, in order to establish the kikodom there. And we pay form him while he is on these other assignments.So here's the real question...if we pay for him to establish the kikodom here, do other diocese also pay him to establish the kikodom there? Or is the brother Tony Apuron the only one stupid enough, or desperate enough to pay Fr Pius. Imagine if Pius were getting paid by Guam, Saipan, Hawaii, Tahiti, Solomons, Papua New Guinea, Samoa, etc. He could be earning $100,000 to $150,000 per year as a priest. With that kindo of money at least he should be able to buy some new clothes rather than those faded ones we always see him in.Then we have the money that the simple brother Tony gets from his extortion of scrutiny money. In a community of 20 members going through their 2nd scrutiny the combined giving would be between $200,000 and $400,000. There's another cool $100,000 to $200,000 for Tony Apuron.THEY SAY MONEY CAN'T BUY LOVE, BUT I GUESS IT WORKS PRETTY WELL IN BUYING KIKOS!Tim - follow the money trail...
Adding to the list of the Archbishop's top ten favorites although not complete1. Leaving on a jet plane2. I'm your puppet3. Together forever4. Let it be5. Can't buy me love5 out of 10 is good!
Fr. Pius sleeps in his clothes. But let that go. He does not answer to a bishop. He answers to his carmelite Provincial in Malta. He is completely under the spell of Kiko. In turn, Arch is under the spell of Pius and Pat. Capuchin and Carmelite following Kiko Carmen, Mario. Really messed up. They need to be DE-PROGRAMMED. Their respective orders will take care of them in the end. The WAY they are following is supporting them royally for now. The money comes from the trash bag, silly. And, Tony's pocket change. Pius' terrible accident cost Archdiocese PLENTY.
Fr. Pius is not active with his order anymore. He does not answer to them. He answers to Gusippe, the head honcho of the neo for the USA. I think I misspelled his name wrong.
Correct. He's under Giuseppe. Giuseppe is under Kiko. Kiko is under God.
He is still in his order. Active in their ministries? No. Under Giuseppeeeee, his choice. Business is business. This is a business empire! Pius is a prince. Pizza be with you!
Prince Pius is personal guest of honor at the Archbishops residence. Always. Pizza be with you.
@2:48 u could add Beat It, Just beat it. Heard him sing it to Tim.
Sorry 6:27 PM. That was someone's song dedicated to the NCW!
Song 6) Caliyona Dreaminf
Mary Lou Pure Judgement don't you think. How did you come up with that ummmm... Do you have pay stub that actually you snatch from the chancery or should I rephrase illegally obtain? I would cease from your Happy Trigger comment if I were you and consider confession if u consider yourself Catholic. Should I call you Tim's mole.
Ummm, idiot at 2:26. Mary Lou has not made a comment on this post. But thanks for the page view. Come on back.
To 10:43 a.m. Your remarks are not called for. I am happy for "Glad To Be Back to the Mother Church". Pls. take back your unkind comment about her. God Bless
9:43 You are so negative in your judgment. Stand proud "Glad to be Back". . The Holy Spirit is guiding you back. Don't let others tell you otherwise.
@2:48. Another one bites the dust