Monday, December 22, 2014

LIKE H-LL YOU ARE


It appears that Jasmine Stole of the Marianas Variety did a little extra homework and was able to access a copy of the actual letter from Cardinal Filoni to Archbishop Apuron. Let's first look at what the Chancery is saying and then compare it to what Cardinal Filoni actually said:

The Chancery's announcement speaks only of a "pastoral visit". This is repeated by Fr. Adrian on KUAM (my comments in bold):

"We are very happy and we are very happy to welcome this pastoral visit.  A pastoral visit is exactly what it is like what Archbishop Apuron is actually doing right now.  He is going to the parishes, he's visiting the people, visiting the sick, celebrating masses, visiting the groups. This is a pastoral visit done by the congregation." [So you see folks, the Secretary for the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples,  a seminary specialist (Nowak), and the Apostolic Delegate (his second visit in 6 months), are just dropping by our tiny island to "visit the sick, celebrate Mass", and perhaps sample some Guam chocolates. Nothing to see here. Smile.]
"They'll be visiting members of the clergy and the religious and member of the different groups and we believe it is a very fruitful visit, we're looking forward to it, and we believe it will help build a communion between the church in Guam and the Holy Father." [So that's why the Secretary is bringing along a seminary specialist?]
After a clip is played with my saying that I believe this is an investigation, Fr. Adrian replies:
"No. In our communications with the Vatican they have specifically said it was a pastoral visit to the archdiocese." [Dear Archbishop Savio. Please note. Fr. Adrian says you are only here for a visit. He said "NO", there will not be an investigation. You might want to start with him.]
"The issues I think we have to look at the issue within a certain context we are a family the church is a family in any family there is going to be differences and as part of the pastoral visit of course I am sure they are aware of the differences that are taking place and they come with the attitude of a pastoral visit." [So you see folks, the public trashing of clergy, the illegal censures, the threats of lawsuits and deportations of non-neo priests, the uproar over lying to us for 15 years about RMS, all of this is just "family differences".]

In addition the KUAM reporter adds:
Father Adrian says that Archbishop Savio is concerned about the missionary efforts of various churches all throughout the world and because Guam plays a vital role in the evangelization of Micronesia and the pacific region they will want to know what efforts the archdiocese is making. He adds the recent controversies within the church are not the motive for the pastoral visit. [Check that last line. Archbishop Savio, did you get that? The "recent controversies...ARE NOT THE MOTIVE for (your) visit. You are only hear to enjoy our beautiful beaches and watch Adrian smile.]
Now, let's compare what Fr. Liar-in-Chief says to what Cardinal Filoni says. Even the title of the story tells us something very different is going on (highlights, emphases, and comments in bold are mine).

Vatican reps to visit Guam to ‘foster reconciliation’


AMID controversies surrounding the local Church and criticisms against Archbishop Anthony Apuron, Vatican officials are coming to Guam next month to mediate between the clergy, members of the laity and various groups with the hope of bridging their differences.

Archbishop Savio Hon Tai-Fai, the secretary of the Vatican Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples, will visit Guam along with Rev. Tadeusz Nowak and Archbishop Martin Krebs, apostolic delegate to the Pacific islands.

The Agana Archdiocese announced the visit in a statement two days ago. The three representatives will be on Guam from Jan. 4 to 10.

In a letter to Apuron dated Dec. 11, Cardinal Fernando Filoni said the pastoral visit would be done “with the hope of fostering reconciliation and mutual understanding in the archdiocese.”

[It's obvious that the letter from Cardinal Filoni says something very different than what the Archbishop and his buddies want us to hear...and what Cristobal openly lies about. The visitors are not coming to "build communion between Guam and the pope." They are coming to address the problems in our archdiocese...and specifically the SOURCE of those problems.]

Rev. Adrian Cristobal, spokesman for Apuron, said Filoni is the cardinal prefect with the Rome-based Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples.

Meeting

Although details of the visit have not been finalized, Cristobal said Tai-Fai, Nowak and Krebs plan on meeting with the clergy, members of the laity and various groups.

This is Tai-Fai and Nowak’s first visit to Guam in an official capacity and Krebs’ second visit to Guam this year.

Tai-Fai is secretary of the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples, which Cristobal said is part of the Roman Curia whose work is to “direct and coordinate throughout the world the actual work of spreading the Gospel as well as missionary cooperation.” Additionally, because the Agana Archdiocese is considered a mission diocese, it falls under the care of this congregation.

“We are indeed happy to welcome this as a gift from the Holy Father to the people of Guam,” Cristobal said. [Like h-ll you are. You are scared out of your shorts and everyone can see it.]

In November, Apuron met with Pope Francis and invited the Pope to visit Guam. Pope Francis will be making a pastoral visit to the Philippines in January. [Incredibly, some in the chancery are still trying to spin this as an advance mission to set up a papal visit to Guam. LAUGH. Of course we now can see why Apuron was anxious to get that photo-op with Francis last month.]

Considering the recent controversy surround local archdiocese, some Catholics were intrigued by the purpose of this visit.

Catholic blogger Tim Rohr said it is unclear exactly if this visit is part of an investigation into the archdiocese. “But this is a very high level official. Very unusual,” Rohr said. “Bishops of his rank do not do casual visits.” 

[By releasing an announcement to the media about the upcoming visit, Apuron and his people have created their own hole and are now stepping it. Rome does not like to announce investigatory visits. Out of concern for public scandal and the souls of all who may be affected, they normally prefer to keep these kinds of visits as quiet as possible. Thus there is no announcement from the Vatican about the visit, only from Apuron, who appears to have tried to get out in front of the story for reasons we are all too well aware of. So while our Roman visitors would have preferred to keep this visit quiet out of concern for souls, Apuron has shown us, ONCE AGAIN, his only concern is for himself.]

37 comments:

  1. For those of us with little to no understanding of workings of the Vatican, thank-you for this clarification. Between this post and your post yesterday in regards to the timing of the Deacon's dismissal, things are starting to make more sense. I was also thinking Nowak could be a seminary specialist but was unsure if such positions existed but he seemed to have enough qualifications for such a position.

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  2. The bullies of San Ramon should be afraid. The Vatican visit will be here to weed out the chaff and see the wolves in sheep's clothing that have been lying to the faithful including the Neocats and Kikobots for all these years, but it will be the truth that will set them all FREE! GOD bless this visit and God bless Guam!

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  3. Since the Archbishob is the Chief Teacher of our faith, perhaps he can give us a good lesson in humility as this is required for any reconciliation to take place. The apostolic delegate's recommendation in his last visit is to build bridges, however our esteemed shepherd has been intent in doing the exact opposite, rather than building and gathering, he is clearly dividing and destroying. If anything positive is to come from this effort, it has to start from the top of the heirchy. I suspect that the archbishop in his prideful spirit will continue to follow the cathechesis of his master Pius, which we can clearly see is procucing the fruits of all this division in the church. What I find hard to comprehend, is how so many in this church heirchy (David, Adrian, Clarios,) are seeing the fruits of division but are faithfully holding steadfast to the archbishop in his errors. But its not difficult to see that these same people are also indoctrinated in the way. If the fruits of this group is the Pride that prevents people from building bridges, and at the same time creating division where ever this NCW is present, I cant say that this is the work of the Holy Spirit, rather the fruits of the man proclaimed Prophet Kiko and all who follow his teachings.

    With the mind set of the heirchy set in stone to follow the NCW, what is there to mediate? We've seen already that this is a fruitless effort from those that we look to to set the example in our church heirchy. Will AAA humble himself and seek reconciliation with the church? I am doubtful, I have never seen humility demonstrated from this archbishop, he seems very concerned about his self image, and likes to appear in the media. However when there is a crisis in the church, he is no where to be found.

    The only option is to revamp the heirchy, and get rid of the NCW..

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    1. I second that motion! Can I get an AMEN!

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  4. Adrian what a fake.

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  5. There he goes again. The amazing Crystal Ball (Cristobal) is predicting what the future holds for the Archdiocese from the up and coming Apostolic visit. It's a "no brainier" why Tony's keeping him on the payroll. Poor fella doesn't even realize that it's going to be his head next on AAA's chopping block. Someone needs to be blamed. Remember, AAA can do no wrong! If you don't believe him, just ask him. lol

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  6. Yes, it seems more and more people at the Top of the Hill are in self-preservation and damage control mode. Good luck with that. It's almost as if those at the Top of the Hill had an unfettered and unlimited credit card with guiding our Faith, well, I think they overspent their limit of something that was supposed to be unlimited and used with prudence.

    Imagine that, how can you actually overspend on an unlimited credit card? Well...The Chancery did it!...Another magic trick they seem to pull off but are not getting away with it (at least not anymore).

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  7. Father Adrian, pathetic. How can you live with yourself??

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  8. filoni neo
    novak teacher of neo in toronto
    savio ex techer of neo in hong kong

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    1. Please, Lord, do not make them sympathetic to the Neos. Saipan2

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    2. Even though I am only little 'ol anonymous, I said couple of months ago....Neo supporters are crawling all over the Vatican....7:47 pm NOTE: Pius is hanging around!! HOWEVER, they are supposed to do their JOB.

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    3. 7:47 for real???

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    4. To Anon at 7.47 Nowak was teaching at the presbyterian seminary, which like other seminaries has Neo students:
      Pius was never there but at the carmelite house in Toronto, where he wore the local clergy's welcome really fast.

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    5. to Anon@ 747. you have to understand how the Vatican works. There are many people coming from all over the world, each with its own agenda.
      The best comparaison would be Washington DC, each person is trying to get their issue to somebody who can influence somebody.
      This is why I went to visit my contacts there and spent 24 hours networking in the vatican. You need people that can open doors, you need to make your point fast and make an impression.
      It is like in any other capital, except the vatican takes care of 1 billion + people.
      Don't get impressed by the neos, their network isjust one of many. We have our friends as well.

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    6. Frenchie, yes!

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  9. Why is PIUS hanging around??? Go home. You already made enough trouble. Don't stick your nose in our business anymore. Suppose he will have his own audience.ugh.

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    1. Pius cannot go home, they kick him out in a matter of hours 20 years ago. He pissed off the wrong people at the wrong time, if the archbishop had not intervened and facilitated his escape, he would be sleeping with the fishes.

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  10. Don't they need you in Malta? Go home.

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  11. I must say, you seem to have Diana's rapt attention. I know you could care less about what happens on her blog, and in all honesty, I rarely read what is there, but her last post on this very subject seems very distressed and disillusioned. I noticed that the only thing she could really say about what "she" knew was what "they" said... rather than providing a document of truth.

    If they really believed they were in the "right", why would they feel so threatened by this upcoming visit, or whatever is posted on jungle watch? And how the heck can they threaten excommunication?

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    1. Yes, the threats of excommunication are getting old. Is anyone here committing apostasy, heresy, or rejecting the authority of the Pope? Perhaps physically attacking the Pope? Violating the confessional seal or desecrating the sacred species? Or perhaps obtaining an abortion or illicitly ordaining bishops? Excommunication is rarely used and is reserved for grave offenses that cause one to be spiritually separated from the Church and the faithful. It seems most here are more committed to the Church and more faithful than ever. The Archbishop may be angry at "disobedient priests" and those against the NCW, but it is not like the priests are causing a schism and asking us to attend mass outside the Church. Part of the division is due to the NCW celebrating mass outside the unity of the Church.

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    2. Excommunication is just another word that these middle school presbyters just added to their vocabulary like "calumny". Remember, they're still learning the English language. It makes me wonder if they even know what "excommunication" means.

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    3. Sometimes Jungle Watch can be painful and frustrating to read, sometimes great inspirational scholarly information, sometimes funny. But always new and interesting. This morning it struck me how funny it is to observe at times. Some people are practical, extremely level headed, others well educated, scholars in fact. Some are passionate about their faith. Some not educated, some just react. Some are clearly learning English. Some are a mixture of two or three. The jungle has it all covered. Thanks Tim I know it can't be easy at times. You have made great strides forward in your accomplishments. May God bless you. Enjoy the holy days.

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  12. Diana should be on the list of people to meet with this visiting team of bishops, since she has a pulse on the NCW.

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    1. Diana will appear before the visitators with a big brown bag over her head.

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    2. anon 4:06 pm..I am disappointed in you. I thought she would appear with a few boxes of chocolates!

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  13. I guess we can say that much without going into the reasons (which have not been verified).
    What we can affirm is that Pius left his home island under a heavy cloud, and he did so in a hurry, because not doing so would have been detrimental to him.
    He left as the Superior of his Order in Malta and took refuge in Canada, Toronto, in a house attached to his order.
    The facts in Canada are still sketchy, but not long thereafter he landed on our shores; as the spearhead of the NCW. The rest is history.

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    1. Frenchie, You are saying that we have a shady character in our midst, all the way from Malta via Toronto that we have to be on the lookout for. Does he have a green card? Is it up for renewal? Customs? Imigration? Anyone? Pius you, you, you .........Sly, we've got our eyes on you..

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    2. Remember the what was found at the end of the yellow brick road? The WIZARD behind his heavy velvet curtain trying to control everything as it went wildly out of control. We have our own Wizard of OZ PIUS. Behind the curtain, running the show, folks. Pizza

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  14. Please note that neocardinal Filoni, here in Rome (Italy), is known to be "the best friend of the kikos".

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    1. An interesting article about Cardinal Filoni, NCW supporter. http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/papabile-day-men-who-could-be-pope-16

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    2. Yes, Archbishop Filoni is a good friend of "the Way", but it would be quite a mistake to be smug about this...

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    3. The abuses of the NCW are probably not high on the list of things the Romans will be looking into, rather it will be the abuses of Archbishop Apuron, and they are many.

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    4. Anon 9:14 Not smug about this. More like scared. Tripudio has been reporting on and fighting the NCW for years in Italy. I was just confirming what was stated appears to be true.

      The Cardinal was instrumental in this visit. He is a supporter of the NCW. He spent ten years in Hong Kong. The visiting Archbishop Savio is from Hong Kong. Is he a supporter of the NCW also? If so, can he be objective? I hope so!

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  15. You don't need Frenchie to confirm 3.30pm. just look at the history of Edwin Pius on Island. Enough data here to show you he is a shady character.

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    1. Correct Anon at 6.36 , you do not need my informations to know that Pius is a shady character, but if you knew what happended in Malta, it would send chills through your spine. The man is not only shady; he is totaly evil

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    2. Given what he has wrought here, there is no doubt. Kiko surrounds himself with those kinds of people.

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