Monday, April 13, 2015


If you want to know what Kiko really believes and teaches about what we "normal people" call the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, here it is, on full display:

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "DIVERGENCE FROM CATHOLIC DOCTRINE IN THE NEOCATECH...":

Dear RYaeger, I do not know about anyone who was "hurt" by liturgy. Liturgy is a business of the clergy and not the flock. Only a few select nerds think it is their duty to police others over liturgy, but normal people don't really care. This is a fact of life.

You have to be weak and very insecure in your faith if you overemphasize some formal features over spiritual content. Our Christian brothers in many other denominations do not have any trouble to follow their own liturgies which is pretty much distinct from the Catholic liturgy. Do you thing they are hurt and suffering? Honestly, I don't think so. The tent of God is spacious enough to give room for liturgical variations without compromising the faith in Christ.

So take courage the Lord is good.


Let's compare this KIKO-THINK to what the Church, the real one, actually teaches:

KIKO-THINK: "liturgy is the business of the clergy and not the flock."

Talk about starting off with ignorance! (No wonder they don't use their name!) The very word "liturgy" derives from the Greek work meaning "work of the people", in other words, it is the business of all, clergy and flock. And Vatican II (in Sacrosanctum Concilium) makes this clear (emphases mine):
2. For the liturgy, "through which the work of our redemption is accomplished," [1] most of all in the divine sacrifice of the Eucharist, is the outstanding means whereby the faithful may express in their lives, and manifest to others, the mystery of Christ and the real nature of the true Church.

7. Rightly, then, the liturgy is considered as an exercise of the priestly office of Jesus Christ. In the liturgy the sanctification of the man is signified by signs perceptible to the senses, and is effected in a way which corresponds with each of these signs; in the liturgy the whole public worship is performed by the Mystical Body of Jesus Christ, that is, by the Head and His members.

14. Mother Church earnestly desires that all the faithful should be led to that fully conscious, and active participation in liturgical celebrations which is demanded by the very nature of the liturgy. Such participation by the Christian people as "a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a redeemed people (1 Pet. 2:9; cf. 2:4-5), is their right and duty by reason of their baptism.

In the restoration and promotion of the sacred liturgy, this full and active participation by all the people is the aim to be considered before all else; for it is the primary and indispensable source from which the faithful are to derive the true Christian spirit; and therefore pastors of souls must zealously strive to achieve it, by means of the necessary instruction, in all their pastoral work.

(By the way, did you get that? The Church - the real one - refers to the Eucharist as "the divine sacrifice".)

KIKO-THINK: "I do not know about anyone who was 'hurt' by liturgy."
Well of course he/she doesn't. He's a Kiko. However, Pope Benedict thinks differently: 
" many places celebrations were not faithful to the prescriptions of the new Missal, but the latter actually was understood as authorizing or even requiring creativity, which frequently led to deformations of the liturgy which were hard to bear.  I am speaking from experience, since I too lived through that period with all its hopes and its confusion.  And I have seen how arbitrary deformations of the liturgy caused deep pain to individuals totally rooted in the faith of the Church. - Pope Benedict XVI, Summorum Pontifcum

KIKO-THINK: "You have to be weak and very insecure in your faith if you overemphasize some formal features over spiritual content. Our Christian brothers in many other denominations do not have any trouble to follow their own liturgies which is pretty much distinct from the Catholic liturgy. Do you thing they are hurt and suffering? Honestly, I don't think so."

So here you see what we already know about Kiko: there is nothing special about the Catholic Mass (which is why he won't call it that). Our liturgy is just one of many. And the idea that non-Catholics are not "hurt and suffering" is pure evidence that Kiko has no regard for the Real Presence. To him, Christ is just as present in other churches as he is in his. Nothing special about the Eucharistic Presence. This is why there is disregard for consecrated crumbs and drink the sacred blood from a punch bowl. To them it's not really and actually Jesus. Just a "happy meal". 

KIKO-THINK: "The tent of God is spacious enough to give room for liturgical variations without compromising the faith in Christ."

This is pretty funny (but then most of what Kiko teaches is). First we are told that the liturgy is completely the domain of the clergy and then he tells us we can vary it at will ("give room for liturgical variations"). Of course this is in absolute contrast to what our Church - the real one - teaches (in Sacrosanctum Concilium):

A) General norms

22. 1. Regulation of the sacred liturgy depends solely on the authority of the Church, that is, on the Apostolic See and, as laws may determine, on the bishop.

2. In virtue of power conceded by the law, the regulation of the liturgy within certain defined limits belongs also to various kinds of competent territorial bodies of bishops legitimately established.

3. Therefore no other person, even if he be a priest, may add, remove, or change anything in the liturgy on his own authority.
Oh, so much evidence that Kiko and his clan belong to a different Church. However, it would be nice if the non-neo "divine sacrifice" was not messed with either. 


  1. The Eucharistic Sacrafice is only the source and summit of our Christian Faith. It is the Eucharist that differentiates us from all other Christian Churches and Liturgies. Of the seven Sacraments The Holy Eucharist holds the most prominent because it is the Sacrament of Christ himself, Body, Blood Soul and Divinity. God entrusted these Holy gifts to the Church (Not the NCW and surely not Kiko) Because of the sacredness of this Sacrament, the Church has mandated certain practices to be followed in the administeration of these Holy Gifts. (No one but the church can change anything in the Liturgy. (Where did Kiko get his authority?)

    So this Kiko doesn't think that anyone is hurt from improper Liturgy? Pay attention to what saint Paul Says about the Holy Eucharist:

    "Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. A person should examine himself, and so eat the the bread and drink the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgement on himself. That is why many of among you are ill and infirmed, and a considerable number are dying. 1Corinth 11:27-30.

  2. Sho yo Right!
    As a Catholic, I have a right to attend a Mass that is Celebrated according to how Rome intended the Mass to be celebrated. Even the Bishop does not have the authority to change things that are not allowed to be changed in the liturgy. What the neophytes don't seem to understand, is that there can only be one Roman rite, just as there is only one Armenian rite as recently seen on EWTN. By demanding to have his own rite, kiko is declaring his sect equal to the five or so rites of the catholic church. To accept this, one must first know where those other rites came from. We cannot just make up our own as we please, if you feel that way, feel free to join with the protestants, because that is their theology. We, the people of God, have an obligation to correct errors, in charity of course and taking it to the highest level of the church if necessary. It is not "the business of the clergy" Adrian

  3. Tim.

    All the evidence points to the clear fact that the NCW is a different religion than the Catholic Church. There is only one reason that the kilos do not completely separate themselves from our true Church........

    They need our facilities and our money. Since Tony is the legal owner of the facilities and he is completely blinded by Kiko-lust, he will never act in our best interests but will continue to protect the assets for Kiko exclusive events.

    Therefore, the only leverage we the laity have to combat this Kiko disease invading our island, we must act on our own to stop the money they so desperately suck out of our coffers.

    Once we completely stop the flow of money true kilos will quickly put their tails between their legs and look for trash bags to pillage elsewhere.

    It is very telling that our plan is working. Not one work so far on how LITTLE the CCA has collected. Now we need to focus on parishes especially neo parishes.

    Give money to non neo priests directly or make direct payments for their bills. Do not give to neo collections.

    It is time they suck the sweet juice of the economy elsewhere....maybe try Brazil!

    Thank you Tim for your efforts.

    1. I must say that NCW must and I mean must go build their OWN CHURCH as all existing Parish Church in Guam and CNMI belongs to the People of "TRUE CATHOLIC".

    2. ANON 6:51....The Kiko mentality is "Why Build?", most especially when there are existing parish property readily available to be taken over. As Janet said, they need our facilities and most especially our money to keep themselves going.

      STOP THE MONEY......

  4. Many priests have been suspended or terminated for liturgical abuse. Examples: Cardinal Eijk suspends priest for replacing or skipping the Eucharistic prayer, Archbishop O’Brien has removed a priest who invited a female Episcopalian priest to join him in celebrating a funeral Mass, Bishop Edward Braxton fires priest for refusing to use new Catholic prayers (2012), Dutch priest suspended for orange themed Mass in support of national football team (failed to pay respect for sacred nature of the Eucharist), etc.

    In 2011, Cardinal Burke declared that liturgical abuses damage the faith of Catholics: “If we err by thinking we are the center of the liturgy, the Mass will lead to a loss of faith. Unfortunately, too many priests and bishops treat violations of liturgical norms as something that is unimportant, when, in fact, they are serious abuses.”

    “Any Catholic, whether Priest or Deacon or lay member of Christ’s faithful, has the right to lodge a complaint regarding a liturgical abuse to the diocesan Bishop or the competent Ordinary equivalent to him in law, or to the Apostolic See on account of the primacy of the Roman Pontiff.” - Redemptionis Sacramentum prepared by the Discipline of the Sacraments at the request of Pope John Paul II.

    Kiko Argüello and his cohorts have been smart in choosing to keep their “Mass” to small groups or communities, secret from the rest of the church. Thus, there is little exposure to his brand of Catholicism outside of the members of the NCW. I would imagine if a NCW priest came into most parishes and tried to run the Mass in the same fashion, as within the NCW communities, most bishops and laity would be in an uproar. Letters would be flying to Cardinal Sarah (Perfect of the Congregation for Divine Worship who deals with the administration of the sacraments and regulates the liturgy) – “He had us singing and kicking around a flower laden, menorah holding alter in the center of the church. Etc.” The NCW “Mass” does not conform to the Novus Ordo or the TLM.

    Perhaps, Cardinal Sarah can assist Archbishop Apuron in finding where Rome has given permission for changes in the NCW Communion? We are at 119 days now and Archbishop Apuron is still looking.

  5. Richatd NocheftancaApril 14, 2015 at 6:07 AM

    STOP THE MONEY.......Will ask all churches to pay those monthly Duies to the Chancery which we all know is controlled by the NCW......let the churches falll for as we know fro the number of KIKOBUTs being produced buvthis sham of seminary..... alll parishes are doomed to be controlled by the NCW....some NEO priests have rid themselves of the parish there is no local voice on Vientiane assets and funds are utilized....STOP the money before it is too late....Shame on AAA for letting this CULT into out Island....

  6. Sarah in an Ncw friend.

    1. Yep. Curia has been rife with them for years. Thus all the scandals and corruption and the so-called need to reform. I personally don't see it reforming. That's why we have to put on our own armor.

    2. How is this your business, Tim? Don't you have better faith based initiatives to get involved with? You see you got here visitors from Rome who could not find anything wrong with Guam Catholics. What else do you think to achieve? You burn the stick on both ends with no progress and people around you are getting exhausted. One has the feeling you are most familiar with white pages on boring books with unattended regulations but not with the vividly personal human dimensions of faith.

    3. How is it your business to care about my business? I must be winning. Typical Kiko.

    4. It is all of OUR BUSINESS to adhere to the teachings of the TRUE CHURCH. It is our business as baptized Catholics to know, practice, guard, and call out anything that is out of the norm (to correct) of what the church teaches. We here in the Jungle know better than to follow erroneous teaching blindly.

    5. @ 8:47

      Seems like you don't appreciate the true teachings of the Catholic Church. No one is forcing you to stay. You can always attend Lutheran, Protestant, Baptist or NCW services if you don't care to be Catholic.

    6. You are quite funny, Anon 8:47 am. You Kiko's ridicule talk about rules and rubrics, but YOU are the ones who have to obey your catechists! And what if you don't? They will judge that you are not ready to progress to the next stage...

  7. What escapes me is the fact, that Rome condones the NCW, in spite of the heretical believes that they preach and practice. Someone in the Roman hierarchy has to know of the deviant practices that are not a part of the teachings of the Church. I am myth why they continue to tolerate this Sect? Catholics of Guam we have become the forefront of the war against the Way . One way to contribute to their total destruction is to remove their bishop, take down their seminary, remove their presbyters from parishes that they have stealthy controlled. If they wish to continue their practice they can do it via the brown paper bag method, but completely away from hallowed Catholic Church Facilities and grounds. Stop these heretics totally. Thank you Tim for exposing these Heretics. The way for the WAY is out of Guam!!!!!!!!. Stand ye Catholics for the preservation of our One True Church.

    1. It is important to understand that "Rome" does NOT "condone" the NCW. It has only approved a Final Statute, a rule that they must follow if they are to be considered Catholic, and a rule that they violate with impunity especially at every eucharist.

      The local bishop is always expected to be the guardian of the church and to protect it from corruption, so, there you have the problem.

      Certain power bishops in the Vatican individually support the NCW, but bishops can be wrong, as history has often shown that they were. As mentioned in another post, at one time more bishops denied the divinity of Christ (the Arian heresy) than believed in it.

    2. Each and every time a NEO presbyter or any ordained catholic priest participates in the illicit NEO liturgy, they de facto excommunicate themselves from the One, Holy Catholic church founded by Christ and entrusted to St. Peter given that they are educated to a higher theological standard. Church law, i.e. Canon law allows for competent authority to respond to a delict as substantiated with irrefutable evidence such as video or audio recordings of the act.

    3. Tim, it is now obvious how Kiko and his cohorts have been able to evade the scrutiny of Rome. It now makes perfect sense of why the Way cover all the windows, and scrutinize the attendees during their worship. It is also the reason why their catechism is limited to the select few depending on the member status. Information is strictly controlled and shared only to the chosen elite.

      Does Rome have a “hot line” where people can request for an investigation of deviant practices of the Faith? I am sure that if Rome is aware of these heresies that efforts would be made address them. Your blog is replete with enough facts to encourage Rome to begin a probe.

      One of reason, the Junglewatch is getting thousands of daily hits that Catholics including myself are only now being educated of the destructive and heretic teachings of the Way. Our concern is that if this move is left unchecked and allowed to take over our parishes, the souls that are in play are the minds and souls of our children. To combat their efforts we must do the following. 1. Continue to expose their heretical practices on Junglewatch. 2. Close down their seminary. 3. Remove their presbyters from the parishes. (8), 4. Remove their Archbishop and replace him with a true Catholic Archbishop. 5. Force them to build their own churches like the other religious denominations on Guam.

      I am grateful for Mr. Rohr effort to expose Kiko and his minions, I would be willing to bet that if Kiko had a “do over”, he would not have ordered his archbishop to fire the two clergies, that subsequently created the firestorm that exposed their vulnerable underbelly; yet this move has been the catalyst to educated us in the destructive and controlling nature of the Way.

      The Holy Spirit indeed works in mysterious ways, Guam, has become “ground zero” in efforts to combat, expose and stop the heresies and misdeeds of Neocatechumenal Way. The amount of responses exposes the degree of opposition to the Way.

      This division is a source has divided friends, families of the Guam Catholics and sadly our Archbishop is part of the problem for he is an active member of the Way. He has been unable to take any action that can bring the two sides to discuss the issues, and to seek for ways to resolve the differences.

      He has never responded to letters addressed to him. It is painfully obvious that the Archbishop will continue to ignore the problem. The only solution left is for the direct intervention of Rome. This situation unlike fine wine will not improve with age.

      We hope and pray that Rome hears our cries.

    4. Hey AAA...repent and change your ways before you end up roommates with Hitler in the afterlife.

    5. Janet B - MangilaoApril 15, 2015 at 12:30 AM

      Tommy - one possible reaction is to have various people of Guam join the kiko celebrations to see for themselves the blasphemies that take place at these masses. If more people were to attend these liturgies and see for themselves the violations that take place the kikos would be hard pressed to deny the reality.

      I'm ready to go to a kiko mass. Who will join me? When and where? Just like people are encouraged to storm the gates, we should storm the kiko masses and drive them into submission.

      I'm willing to go if others will join me. Any takers?

    6. Not to join but attend to document their practices. And if they don't let you in, document that as well. We can see our Holy Mass on EWTN all the time and are unafraid to share it with all. Will the NEOs do the same?



  9. Just read fr. Wadeson reinstated. Not guilty? That's so messed up.feel like losing heart with all this but am still grateful for junglewatch. No matter what happens I have leared so much about Catholicism, and the need to remain faithful and strong.

  10. Clap, clap, clap, clap. Stay in San FranCisco, Wadeson.

  11. The definition of HERETIC: is one who rejects an established belief. AAA has turned himself into a spiritual criminal by following and dialogging with Kiko's teachings and practices instead of following those of Christ's, set forth in the Catholic Canon Laws. Our Blessed Lord commanded the apostles to teach not to dialogue. The theology of our catholic faith is handed down from Jesus Christ unto the apostles.

    AAA appealing and becoming a Kikocat has led the island to fall deep into sin. By being in the NCW, he has come to accept horrible principals, practices of the NCW. The only way back,
    Archbishop, to the ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC and APOSTOLIC Church and truly begin true HEALING with the faithful, rather than hurling into hell, is to offer yourself up into marthyrdom. Preach and teach the TRUTH and be martyred. You can pretty much bet you are not going to be liked for it but you can regain your respect and love as our leader and shepard. You will be rewarded in heaven, pretty much straight forward. If you don't do this...then you are responsible for letting these spiritual thieves and murderers onto our island who wants to control you and us who is Christ's own church.

    Archbishop Anthony, we are entrusted to your care. Instead of protecting the Canon Laws, church's teachings and practices, you have allowed yourself to be catechised in the Neo Catechuminal Way wherein lies this whole problem. Just know that you're included in my thought and prayer everytime I recite Blessed Diego's intercessdional prayer. BASTA, OBAH SKOBA.

  12. Anon 6:32 AM, Indeed you outlined the road back for AAA, it however, escapes me that the Apuron has not made an effort, to eject the teachings of NCW and publicly re-embrace the teaching of the True Church. If he does, we are a forgiving people and some of us may begin to extend forgiveness. I guess his loyalty of his Neo flock and Kiko is more important to him than the non Neos. Apuron, (sorry, but i can no longer respect you) Why why abandon us for a handful of the Neos????? Pray tell

  13. AAA you better act fast... before there a release from Rome indicating that you are stepping down because of health issues. Right ... Make good use of the little time you have.

  14. The Roman Catholic Church stands before the world because it possesses and professes the truth. It stands with its noble Pope who by the promises of Jesus to Peter, the first pope (Matthew 16:18-19) speaks infallibility when he speaks ex cathedra. It is the only true church whose teachings are truth and are infallible in this world. Although God is universal and not just Roman Catholic, the boundless sweep of his revelation is most present in Roman Catholicism.


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