Friday, July 24, 2015

ZOLTAN: "BULLSHIT"

As usual, I do not just publish Zoltan's comments, I feature them as their own post. No one has been more helpful than Zoltan in helping us understand the real problem of the Neocatechumenal Way (which is why he even has his own tag-label). So here you go. Read the whole thing first and then I'll provide a version with comments. 


First of all, I thank Tim for giving green light to my comment below.

Dear Joseph, for the record, as a lay person speaking for myself I gave thanks to God that He allowed me to be there in Agat last night. I am not an NCW leader. FYI, I haven't even passed the scrutinies. What I called a superstition at the meeting, spread by radicals, was that Jesus was a "sinner". How could he have been one if He was born of a holy women and being holy himself? Jesus is the Son of God who died for the sinners! It is also a superstition that NCW has a teaching like that. If it would be an official teaching of the NCW, I would stop attending immediately.


The particular audiotape record that was played at the meeting reflects the opinion of someone with whom I disagree. He might be a radical who claims to follow NCW, but NCW does not follow him. The simple reason is that NCW does not follow radicals. It is just sad that CCOG, on the contrary, seems to follow the most radical elements among its ranks.

Because of the charges we heard at the CCOG meeting, I had to explain that people attending the NCW are your Catholic sisters and brothers, our presbyters are Catholic priests and our Eucharist celebrations are holy Catholic masses. Jesus teaches love and not war against your denomination. This caused a little consternation because some of the faithful at Agat were manipulated to believe the opposite. I appeal to your good will, dear Joseph, please do not believe those whose aim is to make war and not peace. If you have some specific issue with our bishop, please, try to resolve it with him without alienating your sisters and brothers in faith. Is this too much to ask for?

I personally would like to see some progress to be made towards reconciliation among Catholic faith groups. It definitely would help if CCOG could cut back the language of radical demands and replace it by requests of moderate intentions of good will. Talking war should be replaced by talking peace. It is just my personal opinion. Thanks for listening.

Now for the comment version:


First of all, I thank Tim for giving green light to my comment below.
You're welcome. Anytime!

Dear Joseph, for the record, as a lay person speaking for myself I gave thanks to God that He allowed me to be there in Agat last night. I am not an NCW leader. FYI, I haven't even passed the scrutinies. What I called a superstition at the meeting, spread by radicals, was that Jesus was a "sinner". How could he have been one if He was born of a holy women and being holy himself? Jesus is the Son of God who died for the sinners! It is also a superstition that NCW has a teaching like that. If it would be an official teaching of the NCW, I would stop attending immediately. 

Zoltan is referring to Joseph Santos. "Last night" refers to the CCOG meeting in Agat last night. The "superstition" is the audio recording of Fr. Angelo Veraldi instructing the candidates to the permanent diaconate that "Jesus was a sinner." The recording was played at the meeting last night. Zoltan says the NCW does not have a teaching like that, but then how would he know? He just admitted that he hasn't even "passed the scrutinies", so he, and others like him, do not have access to the private teachings of Kiko Arguello that are zealously guarded by the catechists. And where is this "official teaching of the NCW" anyway? Supposedly it is compiled in a catechetical directory that was approved by the Vatican in 2011, but said directory is not available for everyone to examine as is our own Catechism and all documents related to the instruction of the Catholic faithful. And even if it was, it is obvious from the teachings that we DO discover - like "Jesus is a sinner" - that they are not teachings from something that was approved by the Vatican. 

The particular audiotape record that was played at the meeting reflects the opinion of someone with whom I disagree. He might be a radical who claims to follow NCW, but NCW does not follow him. The simple reason is that NCW does not follow radicals. It is just sad that CCOG, on the contrary, seems to follow the most radical elements among its ranks. 

Actually, the priest who was teaching "Jesus is a sinner" was invited - and thus authorized by Apuron - to instruct both the diaconate candidates and the presbyter candidates at RMS. Even if he was a "radical" teaching his own opinion, he was authorized to teach said opinion by Apuron - who when confronted with it pretends not to know who said it and opts to throw Father Duenas High School under the bus instead. However, beyond that, Chuck White has clearly demonstrated by Kiko's own icons that Kiko - and thus the official teaching of the NCW - does not accept the Doctrine of the Trinity. There are many, many things that point to this from his insistent eschewing of the Church after Constantine to his heretical art to his refusal to celebrate the Eucharist in full conformity with the Liturgical Books as ordered by the Pope himself. 

Because of the charges we heard at the CCOG meeting, I had to explain that people attending the NCW are your Catholic sisters and brothers, our presbyters are Catholic priests and our Eucharist celebrations are holy Catholic masses. Jesus teaches love and not war against your denomination. This caused a little consternation because some of the faithful at Agat were manipulated to believe the opposite. I appeal to your good will, dear Joseph, please do not believe those whose aim is to make war and not peace. If you have some specific issue with our bishop, please, try to resolve it with him without alienating your sisters and brothers in faith. Is this too much to ask for?
First, the Catholic Church is NOT a "denomination". It is the first Christian religion. Every other religion which calls itself Christian is a "denomination". I would add "even the NCW", but since Kiko teaches against the Trinity, the NCW cannot even be called Christian. Second, people in the NCW, because they have been led into this heresy by their own Catholic shepherd, can be forgiven for not knowing they are following a heresy and can still be considered "Catholics", so there is no need to remind us. But what the general membership may or may not know has nothing to do with what the founders of the NCW actually believe and teach. And not believing in the Trinity automatically makes the NCW Mass invalid. 
Zoltan says that the "faithful at Agat were manipulated". Unfortunately he inferred this last night in his ten-plus minute harangue at the Agat meeting. This is a direct insult to the intelligence and integrity of the "faithful at Agat". The CCOG and myself presented the facts in actual audio recordings and documents. We did so with the invitation for those present to examine the facts and make up their own minds - as we do at every meeting. Zoltan offered nothing in the way of evidence, only accusations of spreading superstition and insults to the faithful. Zoltan claimed he was "attacked" when Agat parishioners stood up and began shouting him down, but they listened to him insult them for a full ten minutes before having enough. 
I personally would like to see some progress to be made towards reconciliation among Catholic faith groups. It definitely would help if CCOG could cut back the language of radical demands and replace it by requests of moderate intentions of good will. Talking war should be replaced by talking peace. It is just my personal opinion. Thanks for listening.
Poor Zoltan. He wants to see "reconciliation" after he spends ten minutes insulting the people he is talking to. Members of the CCOG have attempted to meet with the archbishop personally and he has refused. So they ended up meeting with the bishop's flunkies, namely Adrian, who in a recent meeting with David Sablan, treated Mr. Sablan as if he was as stupid as himself. 
What was really funny about Zoltan's talk last night was his criticism of the "disgusting language" I use on my blog. It's funny because here is who Zoltan really is:


I did a word search to see if I ever used the word "bullshit" and could only find one instance and it was where I was quoting a political candidate. I did another search to see if I could find if I ever used the word "shit" and found one instance where I was answering the imbecile "Joker's Wild" (aka Adrian) regarding the "shit" he was threatening to publish about his brother priests.

Yet we see here the man who just lectured us on the alleged disgusting language of this blog, referring to the opinion of three ladies as "bullshit".

The sad part, is that for those who know Zoltan, he is more to be pitied than criticized. But maybe that's the problem. He has always been pitied and not criticized - which explains why he feels he has the license to call the thoughts of others "bullshit".

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Here is a recent post by Zoltan on Diana's blog about the meeting last night. He once again reiterates his dim view of "regular Catholics" as "uninitiated" (which is how all the Kikos view us - and Apuron as well).  And note how he speaks of "consternation" with an "opposing view". LOL! Anyone who was there can testify that the crowd gave him a respectful ten minutes to insult their intelligence until they could take it no more. 



You know, Zoltan, I have an idea. Why don't you come to the next meeting and do the same. And then the next and the next. In fact, I can put my presentation away and let you have the whole hour. You would be far more effective in convincing the "regular Catholics" of the evils of the Neocatechumenal Way than we ever could. The next meeting is next Thursday in Barrigada. Please RSVP.

16 comments:

  1. this just measures the distance between issues and "reconciliation". please lets keep on collecting, on track with zoltan.

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  2. Zoltan, tell your neo archbishop that HE IS THE PROBLEM. We, the faithful Catholics, did not create the mess that Tony made. He is the one who acted in a radical and aggressive manner. Have you forgotten? Attend another CCOG meeting and record the meeting so you can prove your allegations. I dare you.

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  3. Reconciliation impossible because of relationships between bishop - priests.

    Apuron reconciles wit Fr. Paul Monsignor James healing will begin all over. They are simply symbols of the deep hurts bishops caused. Full restitution cannot be done for sins of the past. However, one reconciliation with Fr. Paul Monsignor James will show good will on Apurons part and will wipe out past sins.

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  4. The NCW teaches that the man is the head of household. This must be the reason that these SO-CALLED MEN can say anything about women and say things to the women face to face.

    They do nothing but degrade the intelligence of women. This kind of action was what booed Claros out of Toto.

    As Father Frances Walsh once said in his homily..Husbands, your greatest enemy is your wife. She does not love you, only God loves you. This says much about the Sacrament of Matrimony!

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  5. what an idiot.
    what kind of kool-aid are these brain dead neo's drinking? first we have to deal with this pitiful excuse of a human being in AAA and i wish we could determine exactly what the leeches are Adrian, David and the others at RMS are besides wastes of oxygen...

    Zoltan? you are by definition stupid. Shut up. nobody cares what you have to say - so meaningless. stay away from Vangie, you're not worthy of her caliber. why would you show your face at a ccog meeting knowing full well you had nothing positive to contribute?

    explain how there are thousands of catholics, loving their church and a mere percentage of those who abuse, disparage and malign their church by treating those who don't drink the kool-aid. i'd say go to hell, but pretty obvious you're all already there.

    i know i'm not alone saying this - Rome - get off your collective asses. quit waiting for us to be quiet! you've got an imbecile archbishop that LIES, slants the Bible and all catholic dogma. i could forget the manipulation but the LIES. You people in Rome know he lies and do nothing?
    what is going on?

    this is as the word says: BULLSHIT. (sorry Tim!)

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    1. I am so glad that my sister, who is in the Neo, and I did not attend Agat's CCOG meeting. I would hate to see my older sister being uncomfortable just from the discussions here about the meeting. I don't think you can honestly say that it is not about the ncw but about the problems of the Church. Thank God our mother & grandmother told us not to attend.

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    2. That's right. You be a good little boy and listen to your mama and nana. LOL.

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    3. to Anon at 4.26: I shall not be as harsh as Tim, while I feel his frustration with people like yourself, who fails to comprehend the issue at hand.
      While you are trying to be nice to your older sister, you are also practicing the politic of the ostrich..... the head in the sand. This position is most uncomfortable, and I will underline, that it puts the most tender part of your body in a precarious position.
      This is not by hiding from the facts, that things progress, on the contrary by not being part of the solution (as painful as it might be for any of us) you are part of the problem.
      By being scared of making your sister uncomfortable, you are facilitating the people that abuse her into joining a heretical sect.
      If I was you, knowing this, I would not be able to look at myself in the mirror.
      But then I am not you...
      Peace
      P.S: OOOps ,maybe I was harsher than Tim after all.....Mea Culpa.

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    4. @ 4:26, you and your sister, mother and grandmother have every right to remain ignorant, but best you keep your worthless comments to yourself if ignorance is what you choose. Doing nothing does nothing to help fix our church.

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    5. Anon 4:26 the meeting last night was calm, cool and collected until Mr. Zoltan stood up and starting pointing his finger at Tim and those around. That is what started my blood to boil. Then he says we have no evidence. There were nothing but facts being presented. Not even a voice recording could convince Mr. Zoltan that there is a problem with what is being taught at the RMS by Neo teachers. The NCW is part of the problem, but more so is the Archbishops continual deflection and in some cases outright untruths of actions he says he would do. For example, August 2014 he said that the chancery would publish annual financial reports. It is almost a year now, and we still have not seen a financial report. We don't want a spreadsheet because you can always manipulate numbers. Deloitte & Touche, LL seems like a reputable firm, let them produce the report and we want to see the RMS expenses too. The Archbishop says that they are a part of the Diocese. Yes, maybe it was best that you stayed home this time. Come with an open mind to our next meeting though. Be willing to truly listen and you may understand the frustration that is building in our hearts. Oh and BTW, in our meetings you are allowed to ask questions.

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  6. Fr. Matthew Blockley.July 24, 2015 at 5:11 PM


    Archdiocese of Agana and Diocese of Chalan Kanoa are suffering a spiritual vacuum caught up in its reckless callous ambitions and moral decay. These are the only words to describe the leadership of a church which lacks character and values. And to Diana my message is very clear, " get a life honey and go back to your embalming cadavers. You make them look good!

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  7. Guam was once a peaceful place until that cult arrived and caused division in our Faith. We will continue to fight the good fight of the faith and take hold of the eternal life to which we were called and about which we made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses (1 Timothy 6:12). Si vis pacem, para bellum!

    James T.

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  8. Thankyou James T. We must unite together to fight the evil cult existing on island. NCW sowed division hatred in our community. We must remove this foreign cult which has no meaning to life culture. It is a bad dream and we must eradicate this hate movement from our island. They will only destroy the children the future of our island. They are already attacking FD school we must fight their evil.

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  9. NCW Marxist cult operating in our church.

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  10. NEO CULT PRESBYTER ANTHONY APURON's Mass of Chrism (Mass for the Holy Priesthood where all the Priests re-professed their mission to continue Christs work and the Holy Oils are blessed) was focused on reconciling this divided church...... Tim, maybe we need another counter so that the NEO-CAT minions, to include Zoltan can see that it was NEO CULT Presbyter Apuron that promised to reconcile this divided church that day....He has talked the talk; unfortunately he continues to fail to walk the walk on this promise. JOY

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  11. Tony is one disconnected being. 30 years of human disconnect led to external issues in Archdiocese. There is little human spiritual intellectual development .
    Because of disconnected state of his being it allowed NCW to befriend him take over. Tony lonely old man he wanted love NCW gave him love marriage formed hell created.

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