Wednesday, April 27, 2016

JOSHUA AGLUBAT'S CHANCE TO BE A HERO


Joshua Aglubat has given us quite a "testimony" of what the NCW has done for himself and his family. Of course, he prefaced said testimony with a wonderful greeting. While from a Neo like himself we might expect the usual Peace, Joy, He is Risen or something along that line followed by a double smack on both cheeks, instead Joshua chooses to greet us a bit differently:

Joshua AglubatApril 27, 2016 at 10:42 AMWhat the hell is the problem with you people? 

Given the wonderful greeting, I am sure you will be warmed up to wanting to read the rest of Joshua's testimony which you can do here.

Meanwhile, I have a little offer for Joshua. He seems so distraught over this "division," so here's his chance to end it. 

Joshua, are you listening?

Okay, here you go:

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Dear Joshua, let's make this easy. The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that the Eucharist is a SACRIFICE:

1366 The Eucharist is thus a sacrifice because it re-presents (makes present) the sacrifice of the cross.

Bishop Schneider says that Kiko and his NCW "reject  the idea and the teaching of the Eucharist as a true sacrifice." 

Our rejection of the NCW has nothing to do with all the goody-goody things that happened to you. Our rejection of the NCW has only to do with the NCW rejection of the central truth of our Faith: that the Celebration of the Eucharist is "a sacrifice because it re-presents (makes present) the sacrifice of the cross.”

This rejection of the central truth of our faith places you outside the Catholic Church and validates Bishop’s Schneider’s claim that you are a member of “Protestant-Jewish heresy with a Catholic decoration.” 

You only have to show us that Bishop Schneider is wrong and that Kiko teaches exactly what the Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches. Here, let me copy it again direct from the Catechism:

1366 The Eucharist is thus a sacrifice because it re-presents (makes present) the sacrifice of the cross.

Now, this should be easy for you, Joshua. 

Kiko has his own Catechetical Directory which is a SUMMA of his teachings. You have only to provide here a copy of a direct quote from Kiko's Catechetical Directory which states that Kiko believes and teaches that "The Eucharist is thus a sacrifice because it re-presents (makes present) the sacrifice of the cross."

If that is what Kiko teaches then Bishop Schneider is wrong, we are wrong, and you are right. And we will withdraw all our criticisms and go home. 

You can end this, Joshua. You can do it. You can be the Neo-hero. Ready? Okay. One, two, three, GO!

Oh, one more thing. Please don't take as long as the Archbishop to find the document permitting your different reception of the Eucharist, which is now at One Year and 133 Days, or Diana's finding the corporate documents showing that RMS is a corporation sole, which is now at 196 days. And you don't want us to put a counter on you too, would you. I mean, really, I'm running out of room in my sidebar! Hurry now. 

44 comments:

  1. I applaud Joshua... he is right and we all need to remember this; it is God who saves... not the NCW... although the Lord uses these means to help sinners find their way back to Him. It isn't airing out dirty laundry at all... this a conversion story much like we hear about the lives of the saints and their point of conversion toward holiness.

    I have already lost track of this whole issue... so the defenders of the faith want the archbishop to return the land back to.. himself? the archbishop? you have already made stated your ways of remedies: to stop the funding of the charities appeal... I'm lost... and now we're judging priests to be unfit for ministry? they're all priests who were ordained by Archbishop Apuron... if you doubt power to ordain then you have doubted the ordinations of all priests during his episcopate.
    Nonetheless, Joshua... thank you for allowing all of us to see what defending the faith truly is... to stand up for the whole church; to witness to God's saving power and mercy.
    Peace to all.

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    1. Nice try. My challenge is clear. But of course it assumes you can read...and think. Obviously, that's not you. Oh, and did you mean to include the name Archbishop Apuron in the same sentence as "unfit for ministry?" LOL.

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  2. No, Mr. Rohr. I did not read your challenge to Joshua and furthermore, no I didn't mean to include His Excellency in the same sentence. Si Yuus Maase.

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    1. Okay, then, here you go. Maybe you can help him:

      Dear Joshua, let's make this easy. The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that the Eucharist is a SACRIFICE:

      1366 The Eucharist is thus a sacrifice because it re-presents (makes present) the sacrifice of the cross.

      Bishop Schneider says that Kiko and his NCW "reject the idea and the teaching of the Eucharist as a true sacrifice."

      Our rejection of the NCW has nothing to do with all the goody-goody things that happened to you. Our rejection of the NCW has only to do with the NCW rejection of the central truth of our Faith: that the Celebration of the Eucharist is "a sacrifice because it re-presents (makes present) the sacrifice of the cross.”

      This rejection of the central truth of our faith places you outside the Catholic Church and validates Bishop’s Schneider’s claim that you are a member of “Protestant-Jewish heresy with a Catholic decoration.”

      You only have to show us that Bishop Schneider is wrong and that Kiko teaches exactly what the Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches. Here, let me copy it again direct from the Catechism:

      1366 The Eucharist is thus a sacrifice because it re-presents (makes present) the sacrifice of the cross.

      Now, this should be easy for you, Joshua.

      Kiko has his own Catechetical Directory which is a SUMMA of his teachings. You have only to provide here a copy of a direct quote from Kiko's Catechetical Directory which states that Kiko believes and teaches that "The Eucharist is thus a sacrifice because it re-presents (makes present) the sacrifice of the cross."

      If that is what Kiko teaches then Bishop Schneider is wrong, we are wrong, and you are right. And we will withdraw all our criticisms and go home.

      You can end this, Joshua. You can do it. You can be the Neo-hero. Ready? Okay. One, two, three, GO!

      Oh, one more thing. Please don't take as long as the Archbishop to find the document permitting your different reception of the Eucharist, which is now at One Year and 133 Days, or Diana's finding the corporate documents showing that RMS is a corporation sole, which is now at 196 days. And you don't want us to put a counter on you too, would you. I mean, really, I'm running out of room in my sidebar! Hurry now.

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    2. Janet B - MangilaoApril 27, 2016 at 7:21 PM

      Joshua - your uncle is Monsignor David IA Quitugua, a true servant of the Church. And he boldly pointed out 2 years ago the the Archbishop is the problem. However, 2 years have passed, and we have learned much in those 2 years.
      1. Tony is a habitual liar, as well as all his chief advisors-fact
      2. Tony is a criminal-canon law violated in giving away RMS-fact
      3. Tony is mean spirited, and we will fight fire with fire-fun fact
      4. Monsignor David IA was only partially right about tony being the problem:
      to explain-we have seen that even the "good" kikos are also the problem...a big part of the problem. Because you enable the treacherous actions of tony and his ilk by your unwavering, nay mindless support of this evil regime. By not speaking out against the problems, Joshua, you are now complicit.

      Joshua Aglubat - YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!

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    3. okay lol say what you want. Monsignor would get my back anyway. ohhh and I want to ask you do you have conversations with him daily about the church? MOST LIKELY NOT. I am very close to my uncle. he probably said those things but I guarantee you if asked about me he will NOT say I am the problem. best laugh of the day

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    4. No, Joshua. You are not the problem. You're not smart enough to be the problem.

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    5. Joshua, let's get back to the challenge of Tim before we forget it. You can end it for all of us. Are you going to ask if they found the permission to do what you do in your mass. Mr. Tom Tanaka asked and the answer was "It is somewhere. Just have to look for it." That's been more than a year now. End it for all of us. Tim posed to you the challenge. Winner takes all. Just one. And as Tim said, we will all go away once you've done that.

      I hope you are not one of those who have identified themselves but never followed thru in finding the truth. God bless.

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    6. not smart enough to be the problem? lol I am a lot more educated than MOST people my age. Read what I wrote earlier. The main point of my testimony was how God, NOT the NCW has saved my family. God has used the NCW as ONE of MANY ways to help my family. it is very similar to how Knights of Columbus has helped some of my friends grow closer to God. It is ONE of MANY charisms. It has helped many children as well. It is NOT poison for people.

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    7. LOL. "Educated" and "Smart" are two different things - as you just demonstrated. Look, Joshua, out of whatever respect I have left for you family name I am no longer going to publish your comments. Feel free to destroy your family name elsewhere. Peace.

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    8. they are two different things. I have both. and yeah don't publish my comments because you got nothing on me. All of you guys backed off so quickly. Peace!

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    9. On second thought, since you don't have any respect for your family name, then why should I. Continue to comment away. Show us the real fruit of the Neocatechumenal Way. And speaking of backing off. LOL. Look who backed off. I simply asked you to show us in your Catechetical Director where Kiko teaching about the sacrificial nature of the Eucharist and you disappeared. Looks like I'll have to add another count up on you. Anyway, keep on coming back. You do more to discredit the NCW than I ever could.

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    10. On second thought, since you don't have any respect for your family name, then why should I. Continue to comment away. Show us the real fruit of the Neocatechumenal Way. And speaking of backing off. LOL. Look who backed off. I simply asked you to show us in your Catechetical Director where Kiko teaching about the sacrificial nature of the Eucharist and you disappeared. Looks like I'll have to add another count up on you. Anyway, keep on coming back. You do more to discredit the NCW than I ever could.

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  3. Thank you for your clarification on the subject-at-hand. I admit, I deviated from the main points you present.

    I am not sure what the preface for Monsignor Schneider's remarks about what Kiko believes or teaches, but I assure you this, when I did walk in the Way, I was never taught anything contrary to what I learned in Catechism and Theology classes growing up. The prescribed orations are prayed and the consecration is done at the hands of a valid Priest. During the distribution of the Sacred Species, it is always formally adressed as "the Body of Christ" and "the Blood of Christ."

    The Eucharist that is consecrated at the Celebrations of the Eucharist are, I believe, truly my Lord and my God. The intent to consecrate the species is evident and is oftentimes concelebrated by several ordained priests and assisted by deacons, when possible.

    To say that members of the NCW are followers of Kiko is widely spread and truly false. The question posed at the beginning is "Do you want to receive the spirit of Jesus Christ." Kiko, albeit, is the founder of the Way but when I walked, I would tell people, just as i tell them now, that I am a follower of Jesus Christ assisted by the NeoCatechumenal Way. Just like how a Franciscan wouldn't be a follower of Francis, no, Franciscans are followers of Jesus Christ through a life by example of Saint Francis. Likewise with the Charisms of the School Sisters of Notre Dame- they are followers of Jesus Christ living a life by example of their foundress.

    If anyone tells me that the Eucharist isn't the Body of Christ because I am a Catholic, why should I give it a second thought? Faith tells me that it truly is. Simply because his excellency says and purportedly kiko says it may not be a sacrifice- doesn't mean that it is not... the NCW members pray the same since we are the same: May the Lord accept the Sacrifice at your hands...

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    1. At the top right side bar is a link to Bishop Schneiders full remarks including his credentials to speak authoritatively about the teachings of Kiko Arguello. Educate yourself. Arguello teaches heresy and you enable it. How sad that you poor people do not investigate but merely follow. You are quick to quote this bishop or that bishop who praises you, but quicker to put down a bishop who does not.

      And your little essay here is once again evidence of all that is wrong with your Kiko way. Everything is about I, I, I. What I believe. What I feel, What I experience. I, I, I. This is the foundation of protestantism. Catholicism is glaringly different in that it hold truth to be OBJECTIVE. My challenge is simply to copy what the Neocatechumenal Way teaches (via the Catechetical Directory of Kiko Arguello) relative to the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist and its fundamental Sacrificial nature.

      We don't care what you personally believe or are taught. That is NOT what Bishop Schneider is addressing. He is addressing the teachings of Kiko Arguello which you enable and uphold by the mere fact that you are in his Way.

      So don't waste my time with your I, I, I, I, I. Show me where the Neocatechumenal Way teaches what you say. You have a Catechetical Directory approved by the Vatican. Your leaders have made a big deal of it. Use it. Show me. Show us. Show all of us.

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    2. Right anonymous, a blacked out room and a single candle is brought in and then you are asked to choose Christ or Barrabus, the implication being that if you don't choose the neo you are choosing Barrabus. SIMPLY LUDICROUS!!!
      Especially since the ncw does not use the Catechism of the Catholic Church to Catechize.
      Is it not good enough? 2000 years of study, reflection, prayer, and teaching?...
      Truth be told is that kiko thinks he is the great white saving knight. How many families and individuals have been scarred for life by this organization?
      Follow the money... 'nuf said.

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    3. You forgot the part where they tell you to concentrate on the flame of the candle. For the flame of the candle represents Christ being the light of the world. Then they say "do you believe". All in all they tell you that the reason why you are in the NCW is because you realize you are a SINNER.

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  4. Well, Joshua Aglubat, any rebuttal after you've thrown the gauntlet? Or the neocat got your tongue too? Or as a disciple of Luis Camacho, your tongue is somewhere on a secluded beach? Finish what you start, otherwise you are no better than the rest of your ncw people: COWARDS!

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    1. Joshua can't respond right now because he got in trouble for airing his family's laundry in the jungle.

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    2. You know, 10:12, I was worried about that. I know Joshua's parents and always had such high regard for them. So sad to know that they raised such rotten children - if we are to take Joshua's account on its face.

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    3. I know them too, Tim. I think they're good people irrespective of their involvement with the NCW. Hope to welcome back into the fold once we get rid of the foreign interlopers and brother Tony.

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    4. dang Mr. Rohr. people listen you? they should read your comment to me. who are you to insult my family? oh and all of your minions are commenting as anonymous. I respect you for that Mr. Rohr. you say your name in the comments but your followers cant even do that themselves. ENCOURAGE them!

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    5. No need for me to trash your family. You did that well yourself. Quite sad.

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    6. Joshua Aglubat, the day you told your story made you a public person. Why do you think Diana uses a pen name? She doesn't want her try identity known. To me Diana will simply be THE anonymous writer.

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  5. Anon 8:06PM,

    There is a big difference between joining the Franciscian communities and the NCW sect, It is not obligatory that anyone join the franciscian religious community, Apuron on the other hand is forcing the NCW down our throats. Look at the parishes of Agat, Merizo and Unmatc, Chalan Pago, Tamuning. Did we have a choice? I no longer attend my Church in Agat since it was taken over by the NEO Cult, Their heretical teaching is reason for me to seek the truth where I know without a doubt that the Priest is in full union with the Pope and Catholic Church Teaching. I will not trust my eternal life on half truths found in the NCW teaching, especially since its founder is a human person, whose members hail him a prophet and a Saint.

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    1. By that logic, you would say that the parishioners of Mangilao, Talofofo, Sinajana and Agana Heights didn't have a choice that their parishes are staffed by Franciscans. I've attended masses at other diocesan parishes even with priests who were formed at the Redemptoris Mater seminary and I have not heard anything preached that was contrary to Catholic teachings. No one is being forced to join the way... it is simply and invitation. Just my thoughts.

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    2. It's quite simple. Because I know that the Kiko's believe that the Eucharist is NOT a participation in the One Sacrifice of Jesus Christ, and until they can demonstrate otherwise, I am forced to find another parish if I care about the salvation of myself and my family. They don't have to preach it. They only have to believe it. This invalidates the Eucharist.

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    3. Whoa, Lady Di, did you just say that RMS priests still PERFORM the 'regular' Mass??? I hope His Eminence the honored visitor doesn't read THAT! But, probably won't make a difference. Hmmm. Too bad.

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    4. Ha, Edi's friends from Boston seminary checking out JW. Betcha

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    5. Yes, the Neo presbyters perform the regular mass for us as part of the charade to make them appear legit. Oh, but you should see them during Saturday Night Fever! You will see Joy, Rita,Kim, Elzabeth, and all the other divorcees. And don't forget the widows the presbyters flirt with to solicit donations from. It is really quite a show on Saturday nights. Oh,and there are beautiful beautiful flowers on the altar, oops, I mean table, and the bread tastes better.

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  6. Why does Diana call them RMS priests? Thought they were Diocesan Priests. See??

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    1. The Neos prefer the term presbyter but they use the word priest when addressing us to make us believe they're not different.

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  7. This is to Anonymous @ April 28, 2016 at 10:48 AM: I don't know where you've been but I attend the 7:30AM mass on Sundays at the Hagatna Cathedral Basilica and when Fr. Tom has to go off-island for medical or a retreat, I go to Mangilao church because when Mike Jacuton says the mass at the Cathedral and does his homily, he does not make any sense of what the first and second reading is all about and the Gospel for that matter. When you give your homily, you are supposed to connect the first and second readings and tie it in with the Gospel because that is how you prepare for mass/homily. I had to attend his Thanksgiving mass 2 years in a row at the Hagatna Cathedral and his homily was why we celebrate Thanksgiving. His homily said that "we" are supposed to thank the Pilgrims because if they had not joined with the Native American Indians to celebrate Thanksgiving, "we" would not be here today. Also, his homily doesn't reflect the readings and gospel for the day and he just mumble/jumble his way through mass. So, anonymous at Apr 28, 2016 at 10:48AM, unless you say that you have been to other non-neo masses and you say that the other churches, did not have a choice in having a priest in their parish, like Fr. Joe English from the Mangilao parish or Fr. Gus Gumataotao from the Sinajana parish, at least these priests do know how to connect the readings and gospel when delivering their homilies to their parishioners. As for Mike Jucaton, when he is the supposed presbyter for the 7:30AM mass at the Hagatna Cathedral, I go to my village of Mangilao for my Sunday mass until Fr. Tom McGrath comes back.

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    1. Aside from being malformed at the RMS, Jucutan believes (like other Neo presbyters) that the Holy Spirit will inspire him while he delivers his homilies. It is obvious he still is a work in progress.

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    2. I really try to absorb the homilies of the priests from RMS, but somehow it just flows out of my rear end.

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    3. I actually once heard Jucutan say that his homily was bad because the Holy Spirit failed to inspire him. Another RMS product, instead of "The Mass is ended, let us go in peace." said, "Okay, that's it. Let's go home." But, that's okay because the Neo's believe that God loves you just the way you are. They are non-repentant for their sins (and those I know have many), and therefore will never find peace.

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  8. There is a saying that God takes care of the birds and the bees, however he doesn't pour a cup of honey in the comb, nor a cup of worms in the birds nest. Even if Jucatan prepared his homilies, this guy just does not possess the substance to give a spiritual lesson. He's all over the place. He needs to be called by God, not by pius or genirini.

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    1. There you have it, 6:00 pm. And the communities selecting the candidates and controlling their formation all over the world. This to include NJ convent. Another vulnerable entity seized and controlled by Neos.

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  9. Jucatan is the Sgt. Schultz of the Hogan's Heroes.

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    1. At least Jucatan is not aggressive, arrogant and dismissive like so many of the NCW presbyters are. He is actually gentle, sweet and sensitive. Too bad he's on the wrong side.

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    2. That bring up a good question. What IF a RMS presbyter decides he doesn't want to WALK anymore?? Can he just Walk Away, Rene'??? Why don't one of you guys answer the question. I know ur here on the page. Ask yourself the question. What would AAA say? What would P
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      US say? It is not a religious order. Just walk away.

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    3. 455 am. Good question. Of course, no answer from the cult victims.

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  10. Tim, you are nearly always extremely witty and a great inspiration in focussing the efforts of your friends on defending the Church. I hope that rather than getting heavy with nuanced people as individual personalities, you and your friends can concentrate on highlighting the teachings of the good Schneider and unmasking the evils and incompetence of your church leadership that existed before and extend beyond things NCW related. The history both of AAA and the atmosphere in the surrounding countryside is remarkably similar in Guam's case and the patch and career of one R Mulkearns a little to your south. I have prayed for the spiritual liberation of your island. A lot has to be answered for, by previous generations of prelates' mentors.

    I knew of the NCW on another continent and our bunch, back then, didn't happen to vary from the Church on re-presenting the Sacrifice, and that was just there, and just then. Try not to play into AAA's hands because an incompetently run NCW - and it is largely incompetently run, mainly because incompetent bishops will it so - is a perfect "moral" cloak for his many schemes.

    Was it on your site or Chuck's, someone commented that lazy bishops can't be bothered to do evangelising and catechising themselves. The pre-community propaganda is ostensibly about attracting outsiders into the church but the rare ones that stray in don't find themselves all that well catered for. The real target population is the ones who already fancy themselves as insiders and want to become insiders of a more special sort. If an above average bishop has got a real grip (like in some parts of the world), he will ensure such considerations get placed second to real efforts to integrate outsiders into the Church. This is best done in nearer four years than the regulation 28 to 32 of the "Way". Some bishops insist on community "eucharists" being held once a month except perhaps around stages, and on a more fluid membership of the "communities".

    The standard bishop who neglects evangelisation and catechesis of the many in need is sending the message that we should all go and join cults anyway. But the "standard pro-NCW bishop" is doing the same thing as long as he is playing along with an increasingly appallingly incompetently run NCW.

    I am extremely appalled at the thugs described, in your country and other countries I've heard of, both NCW associated and otherwise. I am grateful I've come across you inspiring people.

    The NCW should have been that of each bishop all along, with folks like Gennarini just there as a resource centre.

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  11. Another thing that was inherent all along - the Girardism which is simply NLP and Hegelism combined - that's evil, and at the core of why the NCW is both ineffective, and difficult to shake off.

    The ways God has worked in our lives are because of God. Folks like Joshua and his uncle, like me should pause for breath and ask God to ensure that individual blessings come in ways better for the Church.

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