Tuesday, June 21, 2016

A KIKO COMPARES LUIS CAMACHO TO FR. PAUL

I don't know what we would do without the likes of The Diana and her ilk. Thanks to them, we are able to keep all these issues alive and re-present them over and over for the world to see. Thank you Diana. Thank you, Kiko's. It is you who have driven all these issues to where they are...and soon, even into the courts. Keep at it.  Here's the latest:



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Was he not already expelled from the catholic community on Guam? Should he not be forgiven his sins should he have asked for it? Should he continually be expelled until he is no longer a part of the catholic community? If Apuron's actions against the dededo parishioner and Father Paul was uncalled for, then why are you doing the same to this man? Should you not show him the mercy that you wanted shown to Father Paul and that man? 



My notes: 

First, this post was not directed at Luis Camacho, but to the claims of Bishop Camillo Ballin. The fact that you insert Luis into this permits us to once again draw all of this out for the whole world to see. Thank you for the opportunity. 

"Was he not already expelled from the catholic community on Guam?"

No. In fact, that's the problem. All we know is that he immediately disappeared. If he was expelled, then only your beloved Anthony S. Apuron could have done so. All we know at this point is that he disappeared and showed up in Qatar a year later, with Ballin claiming to be his bishop. In order for this to be true, Luis would have had to have first been excardinated from this diocese. If he was, there was no Aviso saying so. In fact, not only is there no Aviso saying so, our cancerous chancellor has recently informed us that the investigation into Luis is still ongoing! This would mean that Luis is still a priest of this diocese. So somebody is lying. Who do you think it is?

"Should he not be forgiven his sins should he have asked for it? Should he continually be expelled until he is no longer a part of the catholic community?"

Fr. Luis was arrested on March 17, 2015. Four days later I publicly called for mercy to be shown him. In fact, I was the only one to do so. Apuron only threw him under the bus. On March 21, I issued this post, suggesting the reasons Luis Camacho himself may have been an Apuron victim of another sort. I invited him to simply be honest with us and assured him of an outpouring of compassion if he did. Here is the last part of what I wrote:
Right now, because of your silence, you are a part of that rot. That's why there is such outrage on this blog. But if you come forward like a man. If you stand up and take personal responsibility for what you did. If you express your deep regret and ask for forgiveness. You will see an outpouring of compassion and support, not because you are a priest, but because you are a man, a human being, a fellow child of God.  But if you let the Archbishop hide you behind his "canonical investigation" and Deacon Claros' whitewashing of the incident "for sure, for sure", then you will go down with them - forever. You have a chance, Fr. Luis. It is not too late...yet.
How sad that Luis did not take my advice. Not only would he not be in Qatar and continually reviled, he would have been celebrated and welcomed. He would have become a true model of humility and an encouragement to all of us who have fallen, privately and publicly. Instead, to save face, Apuron hid him. In hindsight, now that we know of Apuron's dark past, we can see why Apuron immediately got rid of Wadeson, and then Luis. He had to appear intolerant of sexual abuse, particularly of minors. 

"If Apuron's actions against the dededo parishioner and Father Paul was uncalled for, then why are you doing the same to this man? Should you not show him the mercy that you wanted shown to Father Paul and that man?"

Father Paul was not caught by the police with his head in a place it shouldn't have been. Luis was. While civilly no action was taken against Luis because the minor was of the legal age of "consent," not only does the Church NOT recognize an "age of consent" for minors, Luis was an ordained priest of the Archdiocese of Agana, and his actions with the minor girl are of grave concern to our Church regardless of their civil nature. That Apuron scuttled Luis away, only telling us that the investigation is still ongoing and only after he shows up in social media in Qatar more than a year later, is itself a matter of grave concern. 

Fr. Paul, on the other hand, was accused of disobeying a "direct order" to terminate an employee. Fr. Paul produced documented evidence that he had obeyed the "direct order" two years previously, immediately after receiving it. Upon producing the evidence of his obedience, Apuron's charge was de facto annulled. However, Apuron changed the charge and still ousted Fr. Paul, showing that it was not the initial charge at all that was the issue, but simply a desire to get rid of Fr. Paul. 

As for the parishioner, and in contrast to Luis, he went to prison for 20 years, was released on parole, worked as a volunteer at Santa Barbara parish for three years as a condition of his parole with Apuron's consent and long before Fr. Paul became the pastor, and was reconciled to his faith by Father Paul after meeting him several years later. 

And you dare to compare the two? Thank you once again for permitting us to expose to the world the "kiko-think" of the Neocatechumenal Way. 

25 comments:

  1. WoW!!!!! Where are these Kikos coming from? Some uninhibited land hatched from eggs and provided no education? HOW DARE YOU COMPARE FATHER PAUL TO YOUR PRESP... (whatever you call your priests) LUIS! Father Paul was accused of DISOBEYING a "DIRECT ORDER" to terminate an employee. There was no proof that Father Paul was physically having sexual relations with a humble man who paid the price of 20 years, was released on parole, worked as a "VOLUNTEER - MEANS NOT GETTING PAID - at Santa Barbara parish for three years as a condition of his parole with Apuron's consent religiously, and then to be dishonored by Your Precious Brother Tony! Presp (whatever) Luis was caught by Guam Police in a car doing what he, as a Supposedly CATHOLIC Presp (whatever) is never supposed to be doing, ESPECIALLY WITH A YOUNG GIRL! Why is it that you cannot see the BIG DIFFERENCE? Stop listening to that Awful, Callous, and Extremely Sad Woman (well - we really do not know what she is) Diana who is leading you down the wrong path. I was going to add more but we are talking about the comparison between Father Paul and Presp (whatever) Luis. Presp (whatever) Luis should have gone through therapy to see if he is "REALLY FIT" for Life of Celibacy before he got shipped off! But NO, let us send him off somewhere so foreign that it would never be found out where. Unfortunately with today's social media, you can probably find the "needle in the haystack"! Ha - Ha - and Ha!

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  2. Diana, (Grand Spokesperson for NCW): Thank you over and over again for providing spotlight material. You are just not enough to get my blood pressure up anymore.

    And to the contributors of her entertaining blog: I hoped that you could clarify some of the chancery issues. But you have only re-affirmed that the chancery needs some very deep sanitizing.

    Archbishop Hon, bring on full-strength bleach. And FAST!

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  3. What an idiotic woman! She puts down the advances brought forth by sensible and powerful women who have effectively changed the landscape of respectability and credibility. This off-the-cuff reactionary woman pontificates solely to make herself relevant, but unable to keep up with the superior sense and intellect of those who contribute to our journey of thought sharing.

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  4. Void of Right Reason, conscience and common sense. Zombies! Amusing in a sick sort of Way!

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  5. Please don't ever compare that person to Father Paul. There is no comparison at all... I would like to meet up with you and give you some tips on comparisons. Notice I am using the word comparison frequently... It might trigger some sense and understanding in your mind!

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  6. Luis is in the Holy Land reflecting on his vocation. Direct Quote of His Ordinary. Where is Tony reflecting on his vocation??

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  7. Typical of cults, neo members protect each other without regard for the Truth. If their spin comes close to plausible, then they win. Yet by all accounts their attempts at damage control have been total failures. All these lying and deceitful maneuvers have been epic fails! Just admit the truth, then you neos would not have the burden of hiding and risk being inconsistent.

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  8. Wow, this entire blog makes me sad. And I am not even part of the NCW. I don't know who the heck Diana is, nor do I care because I only go to church for myself and no one else. But Tim, please be cautious in your words, you have alot of judgements and alot of grudges here. If you are a christian-catholic, idk if you still are, but if your are, you need to find God again. This blog looks like a catholic drudge report, and the people commenting...it just makes me sad. You guys are christians, yet, venom spews out of your mouths, disguised as facts, opinions and dark sarcasm, but theyre JUDGEMENTS. It is because of people like on this blog for why I left the church at 17 and came back when I was 19, only because of God's mercy and a miracle, that I am not in church for others, but for myself and for my own conversion. And to be the change I wish to see, because I will never be able to change the people, God will do that. But only if they listen, and that goes for me too. Not listening as in sounds, but listening to what God is trying to tell us. Crack open a bible and see what the Lord wants you to do and what he wants to tell you. Pray for those who you judge, pray for them. We are all humans, and we will all have flaws. Including you Tim, none of us here are saints, and none of us are perfect. We can be devout church goers and doers, but only to say we completed our duty with God, but did we really? Do we really follow Jesus's footsteps? Are we trying to be Christian, or deep down, do we feel it doesn't matter?

    Like how I once heard someone say, there are people not even christian, who are more christian than all of us here.

    Good day.

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    1. "I only go to Church for my self and no one else." What kind of moronic sense is this? You are not on an isolated island, 1:31 AM and you have a right to be sad. Being Christian requires, no, mandates care for others who are trodden underfoot for various circumstances. What we have on Guam is a beehive of injustices, a hornet's nest of deception and lies. You cannot put on blinders and pretend you do not see irregularities in the administration of this local Church. Church means community, and if church for you is "I, myself and me," then you have no business being in it. You might as well stay home and watch Mass on television, or better yet, hide under a rock. Judgment, my foot, what planet were you hatched? What other proofs do you need to open your eyes to reality? I replied to your post because it is so assinine. Tim's reply was succinct and to the point. He simply uncovered your mask and who you pretend to be. Good try, buddy, good try but you did not pass his scrutiny. "You wanna try me?"

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    2. Anonymous June 24, 2016 at 1:31 AM - Yes - I agree that "I only got to Church for my self and no one else" but when you go to the church that you are used to and there is this Huge Table in the middle of the Altar covered with flowers and not the usual Altar with only the crucifix and candles, ugly pictures all over the place, and not the usual statues of My God, Mother Mary, Saint Joseph, and the local Saints, would you not be shocked and say - What is going on here! The Catholic Church I go to here in the USofA have all the traditional statues that I am used to seeing in my Catholic Churches on Guam because of a Wonderful Priest, from India, who also believed in the old traditions. I know, people are going to say, Get Over it! This is today but I do not want TODAY! I Want my Traditional Church where, when I walk in, I can feel the reverence that I grew up with, knowing that I am in the House of My God. I am with Myself and My God. We pray the rosary every Sunday before Mass and Mass is such a wonderful experience that when I walk out, I feel that My God is with me! All this dancing around the tables and distributing the Body of Christ all over the church is not what I call attending God's Mass.

      On a Separate Topic but A Very Important One - Yes We are all humans and have flaws BUT when the Head of the Catholic Church abuses Young Men and call the Victims "Liars" and "Actors", the True Catholic Church Members have the absolute right to Fight Against This Evil!

      Reflect Carefully on what you are reading and provide opinions that are consistent with what the problems are.

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  9. Uhhh, "he's back"? Who is he? Im just a girl who was looking up something regarding the NCW bc I was bored and then stumbled upon this >_>. Idk about this whole guam or whatever thing. But whoever the other anonymous guy is, youre probably as old as my dad. In God's eyes, I am allowed there and I will go, so there. No man or woman can deny me that. And what mask? What is next, you guys will claim you need to wear tin foil hats bc the pope is a commie? Chill guys o__O the catholic church aint the only place drama and crap happens. And why does the drama happen? Why? Because of people. People like them and people like you and this blog that fuels and riles people up. Just drama x__x (but the content I know deep down was intended to be serious)

    "Being Christian requires, no, mandates care for others who are trodden underfoot for various circumstances." Being Christian also means love those who are doing the trodding and praying for them. That's good that you guys wanna help, but this, this blog is not the way. Christian churches are no better. All religions are flawed in a sense. Literally. When I say that I am there only for myself, it is because I am not in church to please or impress others. Church aint a social club. Of course, if someone needs help with something, I try my best to give some spiritual advice. And if not, I suggest talking to a priest. Like, I don't sense any positivity from neither your or their ends, and if it is that way, then NOTHING will get done. You will be complaining forever.

    And about the whole mass thing the other anomymous said, it just sounds like you have a problem dealing with things that are different. Because you want the church to always be the same. In life, things will never be the same forever. And you also don't have to be in the NCW if you don't want to and if you don't wanna look at it >_> just go to sunday mass and youll be fine. Simple. And God is everywhere. He is in the mass youre used to and in their mass as well. You would go nuts if you visited mass in another country "not europe or british owned" And theyre not NCW, and they dance for their masses too and do things differently. But God is there.
    But if those people truly are looking for god and converting, who are you to judge? It is a win for God no matter what, He doesn't care. If that is where they are happy, then screw off and let them be.

    You guys just sound paranoid and overdramatic. Honestly, you are no better then the ones you are calling out. Yes, what is happening is bad. But also remember, it is not just the catholic church. and fight against evil? Evil with evil? I dont wanna turn on the tv and see one day that church people have killed someone. Then I have atheists on my ass saying, "yeah some christians right? I bet jesus would like that" Just dont screw it up for those catholics who try to be christian bc then they will get a bad name. I don't care, I just say "well Im not doing that". If someone leaves the church bc of you, God will have that on you.

    But honestly, thats why I say this makes me sad. And why I am only there for myself. You may say that you fight for justice, and justice is something we all seek, but you want a malcom x kind of justice. And dont we all? Its in our human nature. And it's the worlds way. And remember, I even say this about people who get away with things like destroying other people's lives...in the end, God will be the one who will judge them. When they are face to face. God will judge me, bc I am definetely not going to heaven. And he will judge all of us one day.

    But seriously, chill the hell out guys. I know you have some bad stuff going on. But don't try to be the hero long enough to the point where you become the villian.

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    1. Balderdash, 2:07 PM, balderdash. Listen to your own lecture.

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    2. Im sorry, I got carried away -__- lol

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    3. I wanted to delete or edit it to like a paragraph but I can see I cant o__O so now it will be a 5 page essay forever lol.

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    4. Yes, other anonymous dude, i was speaking balderdash(even though it reminded me of the game). Its 12am and i had taken a zzquil. Tim please delete that long post of mine ;_; and this whole thing I wrote. If i handed this in I would have an F- and that doesnt even exist. I need to knock out asap, even though I can finally sleep in. But still. X__x

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    5. Don't delete! 2:07pm is a keeper!

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    6. So, let’s summarize then:

      You’re “just a girl” who knows nothing about “this whole guam or whatever” thing.

      But, God said you can go to the NCW – so no man or woman can deny you that. Presumably even those with authority in the Church?

      Its all just drama caused by people (wow, profound)

      God doesn’t care about the liturgy, cos everyone should just do what they like. Right.

      Anyone who objects to liturgical abuse is just afraid of “things” being “different”. Tell that to the Congregation for Divine Worship, or for that matter, anyone who knows what Catholic means.

      Its just drama, drama, drama… oh and paranoia

      By fighting “evil” you become “evil”. Justice is bad. God will judge you for it.

      I’m not going to heaven.

      But you’re the villain.
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      Thanks. Please take more drugs.

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    7. Yeah im 16. I took zzquil last night and wrote that. And zzquil is not "drugs," 4:42. Its just benadryl if you check the ingredients. But if you wish to be technical, it is a "pharmacutical drug"

      But anonymous at 4:42....just no. Just no.

      "But, God said you can go to the NCW – so no man or woman can deny you that. Presumably even those with authority in the Church?" I just said before I was not in the NCW. I meant that God has the doors open for me in church, bc the other person said that I shouldnt even be in church because I am only there for myself. BUT I elaborated in what I meant that I am only there to not please or impress anyone. But, I will still do my best to give spiritual advice when I can and if needed. Simple.

      "Anyone who objects to liturgical abuse is just afraid of “things” being “different”. Tell that to the Congregation for Divine Worship, or for that matter, anyone who knows what Catholic means." Uhh the catholic church has changed over the years, over the hundreds of years. But what I was getting to is that, if they are with God, converting and theyre happy, then why not just leave them alone. And it still sounds like an issue with different things and change. (remember, i wrote this off topic, because I didnt read the article. Which is why I issued an apology below. Juuuuust so ya know) Anyway...

      "By fighting “evil” you become “evil”. Justice is bad. God will judge you for it." Wait whuuu? By fighting evil you will become evil? I didnt say that. When I asked, fighting evil with evil with the question mark, I was referring to eye for eye, tooth by tooth. That was the malcom x way. Im starting to not regret posting my other post. But...you guys kinda almost sound blinded by your logic. Well not Tim, since he seems to be the only one who actually read my other comment. The guy at 4:42 is trying to twist my words around in like this crazy way o__O Not a good sign I am already getting from you guys. *shrugs* now that it is morning and I am well rested, I think.

      AND I said IIII was not going to heaven -___- and that God will judge us ALL, which is true. And i never said you're the villian, i said "But don't try to be the hero long enough to the point where you become the villian."

      No offense, but please learn how to comprehend reading and not write something so out of context. That was a terrible summary. Unless you took some zzquil too and couldnt sleep which blurred your sense of critical and comprehensional thinking. >_>

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    8. And Jose, :P but I am not from where you guys are from. I also wrote an apology. And if you need another one, Ill write it again. "I see where youre coming from, I read a bit. Youre not being paranoid and overdramatic. Sorry about that, hopefully that does all get cleared up. :/" aaaand "sorry if I came off as a bitch" That whole post was off topic, I honestly had no clue what you guys were talking about until I actually went and read. So ya :/

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  10. I see where youre coming from, I read a bit. Youre not being paranoid and overdramatic. Sorry about that, hopefully that does all get cleared up. :/ Just dont end up like Sinead O'Connor.

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  11. I should probably sleep, its 12am for me xc But good luck and god bless. Hopefully God will find a way to fix all of this :( its sad to see that happen. But just remember, "don't try to be the hero long enough to the point where you become the villian." Aaaand, dont become sinead oconner.....jk, or maybe not but you know what I mean. Sorry if I came off as a bitch.

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  12. Yes xD lol ok I really need to sleep. Zzquil isnt working. Time to youtube some lullaby music. Night peeps

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