Wednesday, January 25, 2017

WHY WE PICKET? --- TO DRAIN THE SWAMP.

Posted by Webster.

The swamp on San Ramon hill has been polluted and contaminated by Apuron and his Cronies (certain clergy, religious, and laity)) for over 30 years. The swamp was used by Apuron and his cronies for their personal gain and pleasure, a private playground to play out their perverted sexual fantasies and debauchery. The swamp has become toxic, putrid, and infested with foul matter.

The swamp has permeated all aspects of the Catholic Church in Guam, particularly the leadership and certain members of the clergy and religious. The swamp has stifled and battered the rest of the clergy and religious, at least those who had and still have integrity and a desire to maintain holiness in themselves. For many others, they were swept into the swamp of passiveness or denial. Finally, the swamp has mistreated and neglected the laity, who sacrificed and gave generously to build and feed the swamp.

The swamp has become a cesspool of filth.

NO MORE.

The laity (LFM, CCOG, Silent No More) rose in indignation, fighting for Justice and the Truth. They want, no Demand, and Rightfully so, that the swamp be drained and refilled with holy water. Only then will the Church in Guam be able to regain its credibility and rightful position as the moral compass for its faithful Catholics. Anything less is a white-wash, much of the same thing as in the past, where injustices are ignored, swept under the rug, and the perpetrators simply reassigned, expecting the laity to accept without question.

NO MORE.

This is why we picket, and shall do so until the swamp has been drained of all its filth, and the fragrance of decency, cleanliness, and holiness swamps our senses again.

PICKET, WE SHALL!








28 comments:

  1. Webster's baaaaaaaaack! As usual, Webster tells it like it is.

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  2. Unintended consequence of marching in the picket line: Improved cardiovascular health.

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    1. Most of the picketers have big hearts. That's why they're out there every Sunday.

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  3. If you think the laity are only those who are in the LFM, CCOG, and Silent No More, then your views and actions do not represent the majority of the laity.

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    1. Well, just reading Webster's post, it seemed that the "entire" laity is represented by those in the aforementioned post. Can your supporters fill an entire church like Barrigada? Or even the cathedral? Combined Neo communities on island can do so and have done it, and that's just only counting the members. So maybe you all could join us and the rest of the Catholic community of the Archdiocese in praying and worshiping as one. To protest is neither good nor evil, per se. It depends on what your intention is for protesting. Only God knows the intentions of our hearts.

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    2. I also forgot to add at the end of my response, I am ANON 9:09 AM. Though I'm not part of the "narrative" and "meeeelions" are reading your blog, at least I allow your visitors to think before accepting at face-value what is posted. But I don't think many would care what I think. Truth is, people are reading and fact-checking all the major players involved.

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    3. Anon 4:56. At least the LFM, CCOG and SNM are courageous enough to fight for truth and justice. They care enough thst they are wiling to sacrifice time and money to defend our faith. They are the vanguard, and typically right behind them are the silent majority who supports them.

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    4. The Real Anon of 9:09January 25, 2017 at 8:52 PM

      Dear Anon of 6:40. You do not speak for me. I am the real ANON 9:09 AM.

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    5. Barrigada is empty. Stop lying.

      And yes. We do fill the entire pews. You think CCOG LFM and all others are just at the picket? Who do you think has been keeping the baskets empty these past years but still attend Mass?

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    6. Though I am not a part of any of these group, I do join the picket line whenever I have the time. My interest now is the filing in District Court and Archbishop Byrnes filing against RMS.

      I wonder if Archbishop Byrnes will now put a moratorium on RMS? I wonder if he would ask for the records of each seminarian to examine? I wonder what he would find in each record?

      -just wondering

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    7. Dear Anonymous 6:28 PM,

      are numbers what really matter? Didn't Jesus say, "Where two or three are gathered in my name there am I in their midst."? For the sake of argument let's say the NCW on Guam has 80,000 members and non-neos have 20,000 members. The NCW wins, right? Is this how we see our faith? A competition for numbers?

      Something to ponder: Is there such a thing as a Jesuit Liturgy and Eucharist, a Capuchin Liturgy and Eucharist, a Diocesan Liturgy and Eucharist, etc.? Certainly not. But is there a Neocatechumenal Liturgy and Eucharist? Yes. It is quite distinct. No one would ever think one is the same as the other. Hence the division in our local Catholic Church.

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    8. apuron OUT... NO MONEY... apuron OUT... NO MONEY... apuron OUT...

      an invitation to joy, by Anonymous January 25, 2017 at 6:28 PM,
      "So maybe you all could join us and the rest of the Catholic community of the Archdiocese in praying and worshiping as one"

      Art. 24: Catechumens
      6th. “When they are present in the assembly of the faithful, they should be dismissed in a friendly manner before the Eucharistic celebration begins.”112

      So anon, who are the "they" and who are the "faithful", reads like two very different social class, or is it kinds/types of people...

      anyways so we get invited, only to be dismissed in a friendly manner, with statutes like that, how again does this Catholic community of the Archdiocese pray and worship as one...

      112 Ibid.
      Statute – Final Approved Text – June 2008 17

      apuron OUT... NO MONEY... apuron OUT... NO MONEY... apuron OUT...

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  4. For the NCW it is all about the numbers, and the money of course. But you bring out an important point Andrew, The NCW's mission is to emphasize a distinction between NEC Liturgy and Eucharist, apart from that Which Christ and the Church has founded. The distinctions go even deeper, NCW's are the elect, everyone else is lost, NCW's are the Way, everyone else outside the way is lost. The division is because Apuron, Quitugua, Adrian, Pius, Rudy, Claros, Alberto, all buy into this mentality and by their alliance to Kiko and the NCW set themselves apart from the Church that Christ established.

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  5. Someone seems to have taken my "name" ANON 9:09, but I'm the real one; I used the terms "narrative" and "alternative facts" in a separate post. Anyway, the above all have the same thing in common, they participate in the one and same Liturgy and Eucharist.

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    1. No, they don't. Otherwise Apuron would have not needed to "find it."

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    2. Your "name?" I am the real one. How can you possibly be the true ANON 9:09 when I am the one who started to say someone is lying.

      I don't understand how you can go on and claim you are ANON 9:09. Have some decency. I work hard to maintain that identity. Just ask ANON 4:32 PM.

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    3. Anon @1245 PM, How can you say we celebrate the same Liturgy and Eucharist, If Jesus is a sinner, as the NCW teaches then he cannot give us of himself in the Eucharist, Only God can perform something supernatural as changing bread and wine into his body and blood by his mere words. Remember if he is a sinner, therefore he is a creature, and has a beginning, and therefore is not God. (NCW 1:01)

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    4. It is not a valid mass or Eucharistic celebration.

      How could it be valid?

      1. The "priest" are not real priest especially if they are products of the RMS factory.
      2. The faith of the people gathered is tainted by heresy.

      This NCW Saturday evening celebration is a Protestant-Judeo gathering that tries to portray the characteristics of the Mass but is actually empty of any divine content and therefore they are not consuming the Body and Blood of Christ at this gathering.

      It is not a Mass.

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  6. For the many "Anonymous" writers may I suggest adopting a nom de plume?

    "A pen name (nom de plume, or literary double) is a pseudonym (or, in some cases, a variant form of a real name) adopted by an author and printed on the title page or by-line of his or her works in place of their "real" name. A pen name may be used to make the author's name more distinctive, to disguise his or her gender, to distance an author from some or all of his or her previous works, to protect the author from retribution for his or her writings, to combine more than one author into a single author, or for any of a number of reasons related to the marketing or aesthetic presentation of the work. The author's name may be known only to the publisher, or may come to be common knowledge." Wikipedia

    I understand the need for anonymity in certain situations. I'm sure Pope Francis would never admit to commenting on JungleWatch in spite of the fact that he contributes weekly, at a minimum.

    But there is no need to use the rather boring "Anonymous" label when one could easily pick a colorful nom de plume:

    PopeMan
    Red Hat
    Arch Villan
    Mr. Crotch
    OJ
    Loui Loui
    Lurch
    Joker
    NeoMan

    Be creative!

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  7. I am ANON 9:09 AM. I've used terms such as "narrative", "alternative facts", and have said "someone is lying to hide or lying to gain or both". I suppose we have multiple ANON 9:09 AMs. But then again, it feels like a game of cat and mouse.😺 Anyway, the division finds its root-cause in peoples lack of understanding of the Neo. So, dearly beloved, ask any member in the community, the catechists as well, and they'll tell you that the Way is not the ONLY way. FYI, Jesus is not being taught that He was a sinner. When one takes statements out of context, misunderstanding is a result. If the NCW were truly heretical, don't ya think that the Pope would have "shut them down" and stopped sending Families abroad on mission?

    Some reasons people oppose NCW:

    1. Lack of understanding
    2. Refuse to understand
    3. Not your cup of tea
    4. Views regarding ecclesiology
    5. Attitude toward Vatican II
    6. Methods of evangelization
    7. Envy
    8. Hatred
    9. Skepticism

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    1. Ya know if you would just publish what you teach then we wouldn't have the problem, would we? But you won't, will you. And no, many popes have been misled before.

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    2. dear Anonymous January 26, 2017 at 4:40 PM, can you give guarantees of a life of faith and of moral life, if I were to participate in the Neocatechumenal Way.

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    3. Rose de los Reyes (Seattle, WA)January 27, 2017 at 4:31 AM

      To Anon 9:09/4:40, JungleWatchers are specifically and directly affected by the NCW ON GUAM. Perhaps the NCW you of which you speak are in other parts of the world or you speak of the NCW "in general." The particular movement that exits on Guam incorporate heretical teachings and practices of our Catholic faith in their form of worship and teachings; they are exclusive and secretive; and the most substantial root cause are their proven and documented actions by which an archdiocese-wide take-over by the NCW was/is in progress led by Guam's own Abp. Apuron, Presbyter No-Balls Adrian, Fr. Pius-the-Putrid (all three of whom have run for cover and protection from off-island NCW sympathizers to hide from the legal consequences of their actions), Presbyter David-the-Lurch, and community leaders Eusabio and Jackie-the-Trained-Lawyer (now the President of the Guam Bar Association --- watch out GBA, her agenda will include an NCW take-over of the GBA). The root cause you cite --- lack of understanding --- may fly in other parts of the world where NCW exists, but the Faithful of Guam has seen and experienced enough of the local NCW to form the many conclusions it has formed about the local NCW. Actions speak louder than words, theories, and the perpetually-referenced-but-never-seen publication of NCW teachings.

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    4. First, nobody cares which anonymous person you are. Anybody can claim to be any of the other anonymous contributors. Makes no difference, you still lack the fortitude to put your name to your comment.

      You said: Some reasons people oppose NCW:

      Those aren't reasons, those are rationalizations.

      I know for many former "members" the reasons for leaving and exposing the NCW include:

      1. Intimidation
      2. Manipulation
      3. Harassment
      4. Fabrication
      5. Heresy.

      Some even become aware of the grooming the NCW engages on those who are most vulnerable: those in poverty; those who are experiencing loss; those whose spouse is with someone else; etc.

      I think the word "grooming" is too generous. The correct term is prey.

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    5. 8. Better love than the itinerants, responsibles and presbyters.

      1, 2, and 9. It makes less and less sense the more you look into it! (Try it – I did!)

      4, 5, and 6. A more constructive attitude to Vatican II, ecclesiology and evangelisation than the itinerants, responsibles or presbyters.

      10. The sleight of hand in and around the "way".

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  8. Webster great post, simple and to the point, "No more". Love Trump's "Drain the Swamp" analogy.

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