Saturday, January 14, 2017

WITH THE PERMISSION OF THE BISHOP?

Posted by LaPaz, Jungle Watch Correspondant from Spain.

By the time, I am increasingly convinced that it is impossible for Rome to stop Kiko's feet. 
We should be more realistic and assume once and for all the lesson from Tim Rohr: 

Do not look at Rome. Do not turn to Rome.

Maybe it is time to look at every diocese's responsible: the bishop.
Then, why do not ask the bishop about every breach trust committed by neocatechumenals in his diocese every time it occurs?
Ask your bishop every time in black and white.



For example: the Eucharist celebrated during the "Nochevieja", as we call in Spanish the last night of the year, New Year's Eve. 

In Spain, the Nochevieja is one of the very familiar celebrations during Christmas time. Despite in pure catholic terms the main festivities are December 24th and 25th, at least in Spain, from where Kiko is, people use to celebrate also December 31st and 1st in a family context.  It means people -catholics and atheists as well- use to organize those festivities dividing those days of celebration among one's family of blood and one's family in law. That is our tradition, I think it is quite similar in several places around the world. 

I want to underline the fact that that is the tradition knowed and lived by Kiko Argüello since the moment he is Spanish. I do not care if he lives more time in Italy. I am sure in Italy they have very similar traditions, if not identical. 

Why did Kiko worry about those traditions of centuries until the point he wants to change them? 
In the beginning it was just the celebration of 24th and apparently moved by a "formative" reason for those who had reached the "Iniciation to Prayer" step in the Neocatechumenal Way. Later, he extended his "recomendations" for every neocatechumenal member, despite his/her step in the Way. 

As it happens with every recomendation gave by the leader for all members of a cult, his desires are automatically translated to orders. That is a fundamental test to value when a group becomes a cult: the degree of "tolerated" disobedience against a given recommendation by the leader. In this case, the tolerance of desobedience is zero. If Kiko says this, this becomes a law instantly.

Kiko Argüello said every neocatechumenal member, to be considered as a real christian, had to celebrate Christmas Night in a christian way. What did it mean? In a neocatechumenal way, of course. And it had nothing to do with attending "Misa del Gallo" (Rooster Mass, literally in Spanish, at 24 h in Christmas Eve, I don't know if you call it like that in English or if you have that tradition during that special night), precisely what had distinguised fervent Catholics forever. 

No, Kiko Argüello didn't care that "Misa del Gallo" (Christmas Eve Mass), of course. That was a thing related with natural religious people. Kiko had to innovate supposedly returning -as always- to primitive first christians. In Kiko's mind, those members of the very primitive Church used to celebrate Jesus birth as follows: the family head, it is, the father, pater familias, proclaims the Gospel of the day -using the Jerusalem Bible, of course- and gives a catechesis (inspired by Kiko, of course). 

After that, the benjamin of the family puts the little Jesus figurine in the portal of Betlehem installed in the living room, while all of them sing Christmas carols (of course, composed or/and arranged by Kiko). Then they sit around the table for Christmas dinner. 

The most important thing for a neocatechumenal is making the difference. If a neocatechumenal family have to move to another family member's house for Christmas dinner, then the father, the head, has to suggest to perform those neocatechumenal rituals as well. But maybe he finds the refusal of the homeowner...maybe his brother in law does not agree with him. Of course, in that case the neocatechumenal pater familias would have to consider to not celebrate Christmas Night anywhere next time, as it often happens. 

Far from being a reason to be worried about, if you, neocatechumenal, have to stay alone at home because nobody of your family wants to pass through your neocatechumenal hoop at Christmas, it means you are a truly and authentic follower of JesusChrist, willing to be prosecuted and abandoned due to your faith. A new dramma to be added for your eternal life. 

About Nochevieja or New Years Eve, it is common for young people in Spain to go out for a great party with your friends until the sunrise if possible. We use to have the secular ritual of eating 12 grapes, one per each of the last seconds of the "old" year, after the family dinner. 


Then we use to have a toast for the New Year starting and after it everybody uses to come back home, except if you are young, because it means the party time has just started! In Spain every young dreams with that night during all year...


Of course, some intransigent and fundamentalist neocatechumenal adult members started complaining to Kiko about those pagan habits and of course Kiko, for whom it was extremely urgent to invent a new neocatechumenal tradition to replace that orgy of debauchery. Remember Kiko understands party only in terms of sex, drugs and alcohol. Then he, the new prophet re-invented how the ancient christians used to celebrate New Year's Eve: with an Eucharist at the responsible of the neocommunity's home, of course. Somehow he is the pater familias of the neocommunity. 



And here comes my question for the bishop in turn. 

Because it is not allowed for anyone to celebrate a mass whenever and wherever he/she wants and likes, without an objetive need and the impossibility of assisting to a sacred place to worship. For example, when a person is very ill and eventually a priest celebrates a private mass in a hospital room, or at home because there is a real lasting impossibility to leave home, etc. 

If neocatechumenals want to celebrate their own private eucharists at home during New Year Eve, I supposse they have the permission of their bishop, who accepts there are some objetive reasons for them to explain why they can not assist any sacred place to celebrate it with other catholic people. 

I throw the ball for Frenchie or Charles or any other Jungle Watch "citizen": please, remind us which are the teachings of the Catholic Church about who, why, when and where it is allowed to celebrate a mass in a living room of a particular home, for example, or in a nice garden or in the beach!

Diana was so proud to have a particular eucharist during last night of 2016, in the living room of somebody of her community, maybe in the same table where they had dinner before or they will have their neo-agape after the eucharist. Here is her explanation:


"We held the Eucharist last night at one of the homes of the brothers.  Earlier in the day before New Year's Eve, we helped the couple set up at their house.  The couple had already moved some of the furniture the day before, but they needed the community's help in moving the bigger furniture such as the sofa.  


The Eucharist started at 10:00 pm.  By the time, it was finished, it was a little past the new year.  Firecrackers and a lot of noise were heard outside.  After the Eucharist, everyone sat down for dinner.  In the Way, we called this dinner "agape".  It is always great to start out the new year with the Mass and a formal dinner with the community.  

The next day, my family and I went to a new year party held by close relatives.  Many of our relatives do not walk in the Way, but we find some time to get together with them.  This year, the new year fell on a Sunday so families were able to get together for a party especially since most of them have the day off tomorrow.  This new year have me and my family eating a lot of food.  We also took some balutang home so I do not need to cook breakfast and lunch tomorrow. 

My new year's resolution: Exercise and eat healthy......that is after the balutang is all gone".


Nice, Diana! 
I would like to invite Tim Rorh and every Jungle Watch's reader to have their own privates eucharist next Christmas Night, New Year Eve, why not next Easter Night and why not every time they want or like more...It would be so nice to have a lot of different masses every single Sunday to choose the best one. Surely it would be fantastic for some people who have left the parish and find more comfortable to join a private mass only for their friends, the members of their Baseball Club, etc., etc.

Maybe every bishop should consider it. Mass at la carte! So many different private mass at several homes for every consumer!

If neocatechumenals find the best way to do what they want with the permission of the bishop, let's try to ask him for similar activities. That is a real challenge. Maybe it is the real challenge to brake the Way. If Diana has permission, why Tim or John or whoever should not have it? 

37 comments:

  1. Excellent points La Paz. Thank you for all your contributions!

    Yes, it is true that the kikos feel a great sense of entitlement. They can do whatever they want, as long as Kiko orders it.

    So the real question is for Abp Byrnes...did the NCW priests ask you for permission to have masses on New Years Eve in private homes? Was permission granted, and were restrictions given? We'd like to know.

    You're in charge. Or are you?

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  2. interesting article.

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  3. Apuron would know about this particular Nocheviaja tradition change because just like with the general Way the Eucharist is fulfilled in the NCW mass-version papal permission has already been given and he could find it somewhere.

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  4. that's great idea Lopaz, this is my thinking.

    Businesses, like banks, govguam offices (DMV) and stores offer to senior citizen, to come ahead to the front of the line, the church should do the same, or at least reserve the front pews just for seniors.

    I live a block from the Church in which I attend, so unless I'm sick I normally attend daily Mass, at 75 years of age it will be nice for the mass to come to me, besides my parish priest is young, 40 something.

    I don't want to join the ncw, but their communion, as described (staying and eating in place) would benefit me/seniors greatly, I'm sure the young people behind me would think so as well, do you think the bishop would allow us senior citizen to do like the ncw, without joining.

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  5. Why not ask Bishop Byrnes, Anonymous (Jan 14 @1:04 p.m.)? All it will take is a letter from you. (have a copy made, have someone deliver it to the chancery with the copy stamped "received" with date, time and printed name/signature of the one receiving it for your file and your satisfaction). Then wait and see. You have nothing to lose.

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    1. thanks Anonymous January 14, 2017 at 4:21 PM.

      I'd just say we were given permission for that. And it’s somewhere I need to find out where exactly, but should anyone ask, we'll say they told us that permission is given. I'll start a movement within the Catholic Church, just for the elderly, I'll call it SCW, I'll write our SCW statutes, I'll require the bishop to place comfy cushion on the pews just for us, also to have the bishop strictly just for the elderly, you kids can contend with the other priest. thanks.

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  6. Dear La PaZ, some time ago you wrote me that you are ready to translate from italian to spanish my two books against Kiko Arguello: "Kiko Arguello, santo o impostore"? ed Segno 480 pages and "Kiko, ti voglio parlare" ed Segno, 140 pages. Now they are in print and will be presented to the public, I ask you to confirm me your intention.

    In Mary and Jésus,
    Daniel Lifschitz

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    1. I hope so. I will be very glad to read these two books in spanish, indeed.

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  7. It is not impossible for Rome to stop Kiko, given his endless heresies and blasphemies. They just refuse to do it because wealthy Italian Neocats bought off the Vatican.

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  8. I was a Director in one of the Nursing homes in Arizona and every Sunday, Holidays and etc ,the Priest would come to the Home and say Mass for the Elderly and those interested to attend..It was Never an issue when I went to our Parish Priest and asked if they can do it...Not sure if the New Director had allowed it after my retirement tho..

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    1. Rene, at January 15, 2017 at 2:15 AM, found this about the sick.

      Canon 1229
      "It is fitting for oratories and private chapels to be blessed according to the rite prescribed in the liturgical books.

      They must, however, be reserved for divine worship alone and free from all domestic uses."

      I am sure that many of you have heard of a priest going to celebrate the Holy Mass in a home for a very sick or elderly person who cannot attend the Church because of medical reasons.

      In such cases, a table is set up with the basic necessities as outlined by the Catholic Church.

      During such Masses, only the sick person can receive the Holy Eucharist.

      If the caregiver cannot attend Holy Mass at a local Church and it is a day of obligation, than the caregiver can also receive Holy Communion.

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    2. GMH and the SNU in Barrigada Heights has mass every sunday for the benefit of the patients (and workers, I guess), but attendance and Holy Communion is not restricted to them only.
      I know because I used to attend Sunday Masses at either location when I was visiting someone.
      I can only guess these celebrations were authorized.

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  9. Kiko must be a genius... or a saint...
    Listen to what you are saying... you now want to ask the Bishop for permission to celebrate mass... Hmmmm... I do not think that is a bad thing and your motivation is???? to break up the NCW??? Good luck with that because as far as I understand what you are saying, the ONLY reason you want a private mass is because the NCW does it? so thanks to the NCW more people will be asking for a private mass? well, all that is Great news for any bishop and it is in harmony for the mission of the NCW because they are motivating other 'lukewarm' Christians to take their faith even more serious... I doubt that you or whatever priest that you may find would like to give up their 'familial' meetings for a 2hr mass with a bunch of strangers... but, whatever float your boat.
    The funny thing is that you are exalting the NCW because they get together in such dates to keep their youth from debauchery (if they have parents), however, your INTENTION is has no such holy goals, your is pure hate against the NCW and a way to destroy a reality that is saving the youth.

    The truth will set you free!

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    1. LOL. You might keep your "youth from debauchery" but apparently not your presbyters! LOL. The truth will set you free. Seen Lickin'Louie lately?

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    2. Rose de los Reyes (Seattle, WA)January 20, 2017 at 4:02 AM

      To Anon 3:52, in LaPaz’s “challenge” to the Faithful to follow the NCW’s heretical practice of celebrating mass anywhere and anytime, LaPaz is being fecitious and sarcastic in that challenge. She is not exalting the NCW. Facetious is a an attempt at being funny, while being sarcastic at the same time. Sarcasm is irony intended to taunt. In this case, LaPaz masked sarcasm in the guise of facetiousness. You took her strictly literally. I suggest you brush up on your reading comprehension skill for it appears that her level of writing is a bit too high for your reading skill.

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  10. In other words saving the youth for themselves..

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  11. You can point at the sins of a few to make an argument about the whole, but only in the court of ignorance does that kind of logic passes as wisdom.

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    1. Oh, wait! Do you mean Louie actually did something sinful? Adrian told us that nothing happened. Case closed. "Expunged" even. LOL. You guys are a riot. Seriously. Bye :)

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    2. And let's not forget your Arch-Presbyter. Arch-beeeshup apU-run! Such fruit. 😎

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    3. apU-run to Rome.

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    4. You carve out the rot for the preserve.

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    5. Well in the court of wisdom, a rotten tree never produces good fruit, and your Kikoolatry produces fruits of division, lies, cover-up, and heretical teaching. Need we say more?

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  12. Don't forget the drunk and loud mouth Eddie the Waldo and the Polish guy going around town inebriated and obnoxious

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  13. La Paz says to ask your Bishop every time in black and white when you hear or see a breach of trust. To that I would like to add, make sure you send copies of your letter marked received by the office of the Bishop/Archbishop and send such copies to the Jungle Watch blog and the media, if you like. As Tim has always said, do not look to Rome to solve our problems, they will just sweep them under the rug, so to speak. It's time we shine the spotlight on Church abuses!

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    1. La Paz and Anon 2:00PM are right. I said the same thing earlier. Hold Byrnes' feet to the fire. Don't let him skate on any issue.

      This is Guam's last chance to ban the Neocats. Find out how the Japanese bishops successfully did it before Byrnes makes pets of them.

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    2. The Japanese did not do it. They wimped out.

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    3. The Japanese bishops did not wimp out. They put a 5-year ban on the Neocats, but B16's Secretary of State reversed it. B16 didn't want to alienate the wealthy heretics.

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    4. They wimped out. Bishop's conferences do not have national authority over individual dioceses. Only their bishop's do. B16 reminded them that they each already had the authority to permit or not permit the neocats. It says so in the neocat statute. No bishop individually banned it.

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  14. The word "Neocatechumenate" means a "New Christian convert under instruction before baptism". Convert: "A person who has been persuaded to change their religious faith or other beliefs ". Persuaded: "To cause (someone) to accept a point of view. Point of view: An opinion, attitude or judgement. Opinion: a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge. Knowledge: Skills acquired by a person through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject. Facts: A true piece of information. With that said, the neocatechumenal way is a group of people that have changed their religious beliefs because of someones uneducated point of view devoid of the facts. Any questions?

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  15. Vatican II permitted contrived cultural/ethnic assaults on approved liturgies and church decor. Neocat atrocities will survive under those bastardized regulations because Francis doesn't have the guts to kick Kiko's ass.

    Unfortunately, it would be politically incorrect for Rome to condemn a Jewish Gypsy pop guitarist who runs a megabucks global cult full of Hispanic and Filipino heretics. Adding insult to injury, Kiko isn't even a good musician.

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  16. Where is Byrnes? He was supposed to make a permanent move to Guam by mid-January. It's January 20 already and he's still not there.

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    1. I get the feeling that Byrnes would rather be anywhere but Guam. The situation there is far worse than he expected and he knows he can't handle it.

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  17. He will come in the night this weekend. Listen for the tambourines.

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    1. I wonder if Francis will suddenly move missing Byrnes like he did the former co-ad for Newark New Jersey. He was installed as Archbishop of pervert-ridden, bankrupt St. Paul-Minneapolis, Minnesota.

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    2. Yes, the tambourines. But, of course. Big shot Julio leading the pack. J U L I O.

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  18. House masses were two a penny in the 1980s. They are generally frowned on these days, but in a NCW context is the most likely for an (unofficial) exception in my observation.

    Interesting that only the sick permanent resident of the house "may" receive the elements!

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  19. No one needs crazy Neocat liturgies and rituals in their homes! Properly trained parish Eucharistic Ministers are authorized to bring Communion to housebound invalids and hospital or nursing home-confined patients. Respectable priests will also come to the disabled people if Confession, counseling or Last Rites are requested.

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