WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE NEOCATECHUMENAL WAY?
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- Kiko Argüello’s Neocatechumenal Way
- Is the Neocatechumenal Way Roman Catholic?
- Letter from the catholic Bishops of the Holy land and neocatechumenal “misleading advertisement” to emphasize its activity from the Wikipedia’s English website
- The Growing Neocatechumenal Controversy and Chasm in the Catholic Church
- The psychological mechanisms of mental conditioning inside the neocatechumenate community
NCW + cardinals + NJ + Malta + Guam does not equal Roman Catholic Church.
ReplyDeleteA few quotes from Kio's book soon to be available in English. NCW members should buy it from the basilica.
ReplyDeleteEl Kerigma: En las Chabolas Con Los Pobres (The Kerygma: In the Slums with the Poor)
“Who created me? What is life? Why don’t people pose these problems to themselves? Perhaps I’m a bit mad, a narcissist, strange?'"
“Cardinal Christoph Schönborn, archbishop of Vienna, contributed to the book as well with a commentary on Argüello's catechesis entitled "Three Angels." "Kiko’s catechesis published here" - continues Cardinal Schönborn-- is a strong 'instruction' for disciples. It is an invitation to personal conversion. This catechesis impresses me because it shows clearly, to me personally, that without a personal conversion it is impossible to evangelize. He who evangelizes must first be evangelized."
"There is no greater thing in the world to proclaim the Gospel," stresses Argüello. "God wanted to save the world through the foolishness of the Kerygma. It is not a sermon or a meditation. It is the announcement of a news that takes place every time it is proclaimed. And what does it bring? Salvation."
some remarks (even Cardinal's) sound protestant. can't wait to read it.
excerpts from Jewish Week:
ReplyDeleteThe symphony, entitled “The Suffering of the Innocents,” is being presented as an homage and prayer to Holocaust victims in particular, viewed through a Catholic prism of Mary crying and united with Jewish mothers in the concentration camps, affirming “Shema Yisrael.” The elaborate piece — for 100 musicians and 80 choral singers — was composed by the movement’s founder, Kiko Arguello, a painter and theologian, who has stated that his symphony is being offered “as a bridge of love and reconciliation…
“We act according to the last wishes for Pope John Paul II. We remember that the roots of Christianity are in Judaism and that since the beginning, God made Israel the chosen people.”
The concert has been endorsed by representatives of numerous Jewish organizations, including the American Jewish Committee, the Anti-Defamation League, the New York Board of Rabbis and the Jewish Community Relations Council, as well as Ronald Lauder, president of the World Jewish Congress, and Haim Gutin of the Israeli Ministry of Tourism. After the performance of the symphony, Rabbi David Rosen, the AJC’s director of interreligious relations, is scheduled to lead a memorial prayer for the victims of the Shoah, prior to a collective recitation of “Shema.”
Rabbi Irving “Yitz” Greenberg told The Jewish Week that The Neocatechumenal Way is “primarily a lay inspiration group that has done no missionary work and has no missionary interest. They speak about Israel like the Evangelicals do, that the Jews are ‘God’s people.’ And Israel is ‘God’s Promised Land.’ They specialize in a respectful attempt to help Catholics better appreciate the Jewish people and the Jewish religion, as well as raising an awareness of how much the Jews have suffered, including from Christians.
“In fact, one of the highlights of their programs, including the one they’re about to have in New York, is to get people to chant ‘Shema Yisroel, Hashem Elokeinu, Hashem Echad,’ in Hebrew. Partially it is, for them, the chanting of the prayer that Jesus said, and in part it is a powerful emotional statement about the Jews.”
Rabbi Greenberg added, “’The Suffering of the Innocents’ addresses the theological problem of suffering, often using Christian imagery, but also refers to the fact that the Jews are the classic example of innocent suffering. And just as God has a special love for the suffering innocent, so should Christians have a love for the Jewish people.
“It would be both impressive and a positive Jewish experience for Jews to be” at the Lincoln Center event, said Rabbi Greenberg. “And it is important for [the Neocatechumanals] to see that at least the Jewish establishment respects their work.”
Giuseppe Gennarini, of the Neocatechumenal leaders in the United States, told The Jewish Week that his movement aims at “rediscovery, and the first thing we discover in the faith is the Jewish roots, we discover the word of God, we discover Abraham, we discover the Exodus and the Passover. With rediscovery comes love. We are grateful to the Jews for what they have given to us, to help us know God.”
He prefers to think of Jews, not as an “elder brother,” as some Christians say, but as a “parent,” because in the Bible “there were so often difficulties between brothers, such as with Esau and Jacob, and Joseph and his brothers. So we say, not brothers, but you are our parent, our father in the faith.”
Love how Giuseppe says "HIS MOVEMENt." Whoa boy!
DeleteOur Pope appointed a coadjutor for a NJ diocese that was in a mess. Bishop Hebda. We could use someone like him here.
ReplyDeleteNicholas Cafardi -- a canon lawyer, law professor and dean emeritus at Duquesne University School of Law -- said the Newark archdiocese was "lucky" to receive the talents of his long-time friend. Mr. Cafardi described Archbishop Hebda as exactly the kind of bishop that Pope Francis is seeking -- "a shepherd who smells of his sheep".
Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/local/city/2013/09/25/Pope-Francis-names-Pittsburgh-native-to-rescue-Newark-archdiocese/stories/201309250069#ixzz2t3ptwRiO
Kerygma was for the illiterate according to Encyclopedia Brittanica:
ReplyDeleteKerygma and catechesis, in Christian theology, respectively, the initial proclamation of the gospel message and the oral instruction given before baptism to those who have accepted the message. Kerygma refers primarily to the preaching of the Apostles as recorded in the New Testament. Their message was that Jesus Christ, in fulfillment of the prophecies of the Old Testament, was sent by God, preached the coming of the Kingdom of God, died, was buried, rose from the dead, and was raised to the right hand of God in heaven. To those who accepted this proclamation, the reward was deliverance from sin, or salvation. Acceptance into the church required conversion—that is, a turning away from a life of sin.
Kerygma rhymes with enigma. Is Francisco Arguello enigmatic?
ReplyDeleteFr. Ivan Sciberras a former administrator at Redemptorist Missionary Seminary often remarked that monthly expenses exceeded $50,000.00-$60,000.00!
ReplyDeleteMore than $600,000.00 per year spent on a hotel for immigrants.
The memory of Fr. Ivan in Guam is not a happy one.
DeleteEvery RMS seminarian ordain in this archdiocese will not serve here for long, they will all leave. The money spent for this "foreign" priests should have been spent to local vocations.
DeleteSomeone had a good idea. NeoCats go proselytize Catholics that have fallen into other appealing cults/congregations (protestants, JWs, LDS etc).
ReplyDeleteClearly all movements are not the same. It is an interesting exercise to compare the heavy veil of secrecy which so defines the Way, with the Church's most recently canonized saint's, Josemaria Escriva's modus operandi. St Josemaria Escriva would typically stand up before a crowd of several thousand and announce, "Ask me any question you want, about any subject you want," and then he would spend an hour or two taking questions. The children of light clearly have nothing to hide.
ReplyDeleteSaint Josemaria Escriva and Carmen and Kiko enterprise share the same country of origin.
DeleteAnonymous (March 6, 2014 at 4:53 PM): You point out that "Saint Josemaria Escriva and Carmen and Kiko enterprise share the same country of origin." Are you suggesting that “honor by association” — sharing the “same country of origin” with St. Josemaria Escriva — will propel Carmen and Kiko to sainthood?!?
DeleteI doubt it.
HAHAHAHA
DeleteSt. Kateri and Charles Manson share the same country as well.
Some others- St. Pedro Calungsod and President Ferdinand Marcos.
Your suggestion is ludicrous.
Neos. Why doesn't Kiko include the Catechism of the Catholic Church in the NCW tripod?
ReplyDeleteas matter of fact the Catechism is indeed included in our tripod. We study it and learn to apply it to our lives in the context of a community of brothers and sisters who have been together for quite some years. It is impressive how we can stick together thanks to the Holy Spirit and not our own effort or the catechists efforts. If you want to criticize the NCW, be part of it and live the experience as it comes through the years.... and then criticize it. Let's not be ignorant and damage the Catholic Church with such evil criticism.
Delete"Why then do you judge your brother? Or you, why do you look down on your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of God" Rm 14, 10
I see. So then before we can be critical of Islam or Jehovah Witnesses, etc, we must first "be part of it and live the experience." Sorry. NOT. We can be critical of the NCW by simply comparing what YOU DO with what your statute permits you to DO. This is why Rome subjected the NCW to the process of regularization in the first place, so that there would be a standard by which your catholicity could be measured. Currently it has been measured and found wanting on the basis that you continue to ignore what is required in your own Article 13 relative to the communion rite. Let us know when you get around to compliance or when you can produce the indult which officially permits you to depart from it.
DeleteNEOS. I repeat the question. If you need ask your catechists. Why is the Catechism of the Catholic Church not a leg of the NCW tripod?
ReplyDeleteI agree
DeleteNational Catholic Register June 4, 2012 Analysis of NCW in Japan
ReplyDeleteAnother critical look at the Neocatechumenate came in August 2011 from Spanish Archbishop Alberto Bottari de Castello, in a confidential report looking back over his six-year mission as the pope’s ambassador to Japan.
The presence of the Neocatechumenate in Japan has long caused friction with the local bishops, who imposed a moratorium on their activity in 2010. At the time, Bottari launched a mediation process between the bishops and the movement.
In his report, extracts from which were published in the recent book His Holiness: The Secret Papers of Benedict XVI by Italian journalist Gianluigi Nuzzi, Bottari writes that the Neocatechumenate symbolizes a broad failure on the part of the Catholic church to understand Japan’s culture.
“Here, I would say, stands the controversial point and the difficulties posed by the method of the members of the Neocatechumenal Way. From what one sees, they come and apply, to the letter, a method born and prepared in Europe, without caring about adapting to the local world. I’ve found among them here in Japan the same style that I saw in Cameroon, where I was a missionary twenty years ago; the same songs (with the guitar), the same expressions, the same catechesis, all transmitted with a style based more on imposition than proposition. One can thus understand the tensions, disagreements and reactions they generate, which sometimes find them little disposed to dialogue. Their intentions are certainly admirable, their good will, but insertion in the local culture is missing. This, in my modest opinion, is what the local Japanese bishops are asking of them – to take off the European dress in order to present the heart of the message in a purified way close to the people.”
National Catholic Reporter 6/4/2012
ReplyDeleteLa Repubblica published three new leaked Vatican documents, including a January 14, 2012, letter from American Cardinal Raymond Burke, president of the Vatican’s highest court, to Italian Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the Secretary of State. In it, Burke told Bertone that he had received an invitation to a January 20 celebration of Vatican approval for the Neocatechumenate’s approach to worship.
Burke is widely regarded as among the more conservative prelates in the Vatican, with strong ties to liturgical traditionalists. According to the report, Burke’s letter was sent on Jan. 16 and quickly forwarded to the pope.
According to the text of the leaked document, Burke wrote:
“As a cardinal and a member of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, I cannot avoid expressing to Your Eminence the surprise this invitation caused me. I do not recall having heard a consultation regarding a particular liturgy for this ecclesial movement. In recent days, I’ve received expressions of concern regarding papal approval, which they already knew about, from various persons, including a respected bishop in the United States. I regarded them as rumor and speculation, but now I’ve discovered they were right. As a faithful student of the teaching of the Holy Father with regard to liturgical reform, which is fundamental for the New Evangelization, I believe the approval of such liturgical innovations, even after the corrections on the part of the Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, does not seem coherent with the liturgical magisterium of the pope.”
excerpt from 6/13/12 Chiesa article
ReplyDeleteThere is a book by a Ligurian priest of the Way, Piergiovanni Devoto, that uses previously unpublished texts of Kiko and Carmen to make public this bizarre conception of theirs.
The book, published in 2004 with the title "Il neocatecumenato. Un’iniziazione cristiana per adulti," and given a warm presentation by Paul Josef Cordes, at the time the president of the pontifical council "Cor Unum," now a cardinal, was printed by Chirico, the Naples-based publishing house that also published the only work translated into Italian by Farnés Scherer, the liturgist who was the first to inspire Carmen.
Here are some of the passages of the book, taken from pages 71-77.
"Over the course of the centuries, the eucharist has been fragmented and crusted over, repackaged to the point at which we did not see anywhere in our mass the resurrection of Jesus Christ . . .
"In the 4th century, with the conversion of Constantine, the emperor and his court also went to church to celebrate the eucharist: thus were born the rites of entrance solemnified by songs and psalms which were eliminated over time, leaving only the antiphon, which constitutes a real and true absurdity . . .
"Analogously, place was made for offertory processions, in which there emerged the conception of natural religiosity, which tends to placate the divinity through gifts and offerings . . .
"The Church has tolerated inauthentic forms for centuries. The 'Gloria,' which was part of the liturgy of the hours recited by the monks, entered into the mass when a single celebration was made of the two actions, and that the 'Credo' emerged with the appearance of heresies and apostasies. Even the 'Orate Fratres' is a culminating example of the prayers with which the mass was stuffed full . . .
"With the passage of the centuries, private prayers were inserted into the mass in notable quantities. The assembly was no more, and the mass had taken on a penitential tone, in stark contrast with the paschal exultation from which it had emerged . . .
"And while the people lived out the privatization of the mass, the erudite elaborated rational theologies which, although they contain the essence of revelation ‘in nuce,’ are wrapped in philosophical garments foreign to Christ and the apostles . . .
"So it is understandable why Luther emerged, making a clean break with everything he believed was a purely human addition or tradition . . .
"Luther, who never doubted the real presence of Christ in the eucharist, rejected 'transubstantiation,' because it was bound to the Aristotelian-Thomistic concept of substance, which is foreign to the Church of the apostles and the Fathers . . .
"The rigidity and fixity of the Council of Trent generated a static mentality in the liturgy, which has persisted to our day, quick to be scandalized by any change or transformation. And this is an error, because the liturgy is life, a reality of the Spirit living among men. For this reason, it can never be bottled up . . .
"Having emerged from a legalistic and rigid mentality, we witnessed at Vatican II a profound renewal of the liturgy. The cloaks that had covered the eucharist were removed from it. It is interesting to see that originally, the anaphora [the prayer of consecration] was not written, but was improvised by the presider . . .
"The celebration of the eucharist on Saturday evening is not intended to facilitate Sunday recreation, but to go back to the roots: the day of rest for the Jews begins with the sighting of the first three stars on Friday, and the first vespers of Sunday for the entire Church have always been on Saturday evening . . .
"On Saturday, we join the feast with our whole being, to sit at the table of the Great King and taste even now the banquet of eternal life. After the supper, the day concludes with a cordial and friendly celebration . . ."
6/13/12 chiesa quote "In the liturgical field, more than Kiko, it has been the co-founder Carmen Hernández who has shaped the Neocatechumenal "rite."
ReplyDeleteDuring the years of Vatican Council II and immediately afterward, when she still wore the religious habit of the Misioneras de Cristo Jesús and was studying to obtain her degree in theology, Carmen became an enthusiast of liturgical renewal. Her teachers and inspiration were the liturgist Pedro Farnés Scherer in Spain and Fr. Luigi della Torre in Rome, also a prominent liturgist, pastor of the Church of the Nativity on Via Gallia, which was one of the movement's first locations in Rome, and Archbishop Annibale Bugnini, at the time the powerful secretary of the Vatican congregation for divine worship and the main architect of the postconciliar liturgical reform.
It was precisely Bugnini, at the beginning of the 1970's, who congratulated himself over the way in which the first communities founded by Kiko and Carmen celebrated the Mass. He wrote about it in "Notitiæ," the official magazine of the congregation for divine worship. And it was again him, together with the co-founders, who decided to call the newborn movement "Neocatechumenal Way."
NOTE: Bugnini had intimate knowledge of NCW from the beginning. And he was the architect of the post Vatican ll Mass. Something more than entrepeneurship on Kiko's part. It smells of the smoke mentioned long ago by a certain pope.
Fr. Pius's webpage: http://www.fatherpius.littleway.ca/neo.html. A lot of information from his and our bishop's boss Kiko.Come and listen -err read-.
ReplyDeletehttp://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2012/01/neocatechumenal-rite-approved.html
ReplyDeleteVATICAN CITY, 20 JAN 2012 (VIS) - The Pontifical Council for the Laity today published a decree approving the celebrations contained in the Catechetical Directory of the Neo-Catechumenal Way. The decree is dated 8 January, Feast of the Baptism of the Lord, and bears the signatures of Cardinal Stanislaw Rylko and Bishop Josef Clemens, respectively president and secretary of the council.
The text published today reads: "By a decree of 11 May 2008 the Pontifical Council for the Laity gave definitive approval to the Statutes of the Neo-Catechumenal Way. Subsequently, following due consultation with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, by a decree of 26 December 2010, the council gave approval to the publication of the Catechetical Directory as a valid and binding instrument for the catechesis of the Neo-Catechumenal Way.
"Now, pursuant to articles 131 and 133 paragraphs 1 and 2 of the Apostolic Constitution 'Pastor Bonus' on the Roman Curia, the Pontifical Council forthe Laity, having received the 'nulla osta' of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, grants approval to those celebrations contained in the Catechetical Directory of the Neo-Catechumenal Way which are not, by their nature, already regulated by the liturgical books of the Church".
BELOW are the comments that reflect many Neos attitudes.
After the pope approved celebrations one Helenio Ortiz (a NCW member) commented "After Jesus Christ, no one is greater than Kiko Arguello. He was sent to save the Church - and HE DID! The Neocatechumenal Way at the Vatican will ensure that you so-called Latin Lovers will soon go to where you belong - a footnote in the history of the Church. The Neocatechumenal Way at the Vatican will ensure that very soon Pope Benedict XVI will celebrate liturgy according to Our Rite - and it's not a Roman Rite but a Universal Ecumenical Rite for the selected ones. I honestly hope that you Latin Lovers will join us before it is too late.
Remember that Blessed John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI have already celebrated our Rite. But your Rite has been concealed and will not re-surface. No Pope will repeat past mistakes. I doubt whether you Latin Lovers will show this comment. In any case, WE WON!!!"
Same arrogant attitude on Guam!
Pope Francis has confirmed the initiator and leader of the international lay movement the Neocatechumenal Way, as a consultor for the Pontifical Council for the Laity.
ReplyDeleteKiko Argüello will serve for a five-year term. This confirmation is in addition to his nomination in 2011 as consultor of the Pontifical Council for the New Evangelization.
The international leader of the Neocatechumenal Way has belonged to the laity council since his appointment in 1993 by Blessed John Paul II, a nomination that continued for the rest of that pontificate and later on, under Benedict XVI.
Argüello has participated as an Auditor in various Synods in the past several years, the most recent being the Synod on the Eucharist (2005), the Synod on “the Word of God in the life and mission of the Church” (2008) and the Synod on “The New Evangelization for the transmission of the Christian faith” in 2012.
On February 1, Pope Francis received 10,000 people from the Neocatechumenal Way in audience at Paul VI Hall. Due to lack of time, the Holy Father was only able to send out 12 of the 40 new "missio ad gentes" teams destined for Asia. Two weeks later, on February 14th, the Holy Father received Argüello, along with Carmen Hernández and Fr. Mario Pezzi, and the presbyters responsible for the other 28 missio ad gentes who will be working in the evangelization of Europe and the United States. (J.A.E.)
(February 26, 2014) © Innovative Media Inc.
Yes, Issam. We were told we would find the abomination in the temple.
DeleteLord, I pray for Mr. Rohr, that you may open his eyes to see the GLORY of YOUR WILL.
ReplyDeleteAmen.
I can always tell when people are lying about praying for me. It's when they feel they must tell me that they are praying for me.
DeleteThe neocatechumenal is a free gift from the Holy Spirit to us sinners, so we can live in God's will.
ReplyDeleteBISHOP ATHANASIUS SCHNEIDER:
DeleteTo speak openly: It is a Trojan horse in the Church. I know them very well because I was an episcopal delegate for them for several years in Kazakhstan in Karaganda. And I assisted their Masses and meetings and I read the writings of Kiko, their founder, so I know them well. When I speak openly without diplomacy, I have to state: The Neocathecumenate is a Protestant-Jewish[12] community inside the Church with a Catholic decoration only. The most dangerous aspect is regarding the Eucharist, because the Eucharist is the heart of the Church. When the heart is in a bad way, the whole body is in a bad way. For the Neocatechumenate, the Eucharist is primarily a fraternal banquet. This is a Protestant, a typically Lutheran attitude.[13] They reject the idea and the teaching of the Eucharist as a true sacrifice. They even hold that the traditional teaching of, and belief in, the Eucharist as a sacrifice is not Christian but pagan.[14] This is completely absurd, this is typically Lutheran, Protestant. During their liturgies of the Eucharist they treat the Most Holy Sacrament in such a banal manner, that it sometimes becomes horrible.[15] They sit while receiving Holy Communion, and then they lose the fragments because they do not take care of them, and after Communion they dance instead of praying and adoring Jesus in silence. This is really worldly and pagan, naturalistic."
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2016/04/exclusive-interview-with-bishop.html#sthash.cU6fr59b.dpuf
Why not show the NeoCats the door to exit and form their own sect
DeleteBecause the NeoCats, at least their hierarchy, not only now hold the keys to the door, they control who can even approach it. All due to a severely weakened "Rome." But then Jesus warned us (see Matt. 24) that we would see the "abomination of desolation" in the temple. We can only flee to the hills. And await the coming of the King.
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