Required collection? Take the money from the Easter Sunday trash bag taken from the Hotel. People give what they can afford. If Nana and Tata can only afford to give $5.00 from their pension, so be it. I guess Ceasar Apuron is collecting taxes from the poor. Tell the parents of these seminarians to hold fundraisers in their countries to hold fundraisers to help pay for their tuitions. Bunch of leeches! Our people cannot even afford the Obama care act let alone give more than they can handle. Typical Neo tactic....give your money away because it is evil!
Here is an idea....why don't you GREAT MIGHTY CEASAR STAND AT INTERSECTION by CHIEF QUEPUHA, HOLD YOUR SIGN UP.....DONATE TO the NEOS. For goodness sake, we give what we can yet you want the whole lot, stock and barrel. Good luck to you and my sympathies to the parish priests who have deal with this! BTW NEO PRIESTS and SEMINARIANS you can join Ceasar at the Palace intersection.
They must obey and keep silence. They cannot question. Guess they never saw this coming. Wonder if the pastor of Chalan Pago will be selling fresh squeezed orange juice after each mass. Then one can say he sucked the juice out of all,his parishioners!
Word from the meeting is - 65% of this sarcastic amount will go towards the Neo seminary. Hmmmmm....and the Archdiocese wouldn't have to foot a dime for Aaron Quitugua. It would be nice if 65% of this could help Aaron and the 8 young men forming for the Capuchins, and also the other men who want a NON NEO formation. Truly truly sad...
Where in the world did they come up with this figures. The smaller villages such as Santa Rita, Yona, Mangilao! etc have large assessments. Something is wrong here.
Who did the maftamatiks here.
If the utility bill is high at the seminary, turn the air on off, open the windows and get your air from the ocean breeze. Some off us can't even pay our bills on time.
People, take care of your bills before taking care of someone else's bills. This is just a SIN.
Interesting data. Bottom line is that ALL parishes performed badly in meeting the goal. Who set the goal anyway? Over ambitious? But some parishes did really bad. Talofofo maybe because that foreign priest, no one understood him when he talked. Ordot has a big debt when Monsignor Quitugua the older build that 2 story building and then bingo was outlawed by the Archbishop. Malojloj came in low, but they lost the Carmelite place. Inarajn is Neo, but didn't do well. Same with Merizo another Neo parish. Santa Bernadita's priest Fr. Edwin didn't do very well. Small place but Fr. Edwin is Neo. Some parishes did a little better , the ones who just always do well. Santa Rita and Sinajana. But far from the goal but like I said who invented those goals??? Big places like Tamuning (Neo pastor) and Dededo also poor job. Yes I think the people are not happy with this administration. Now they want to demand even more money from the parishes but never ask the question why is the Appeal doing so badly? They dont like to look in the mirror I guess.
The numbers presented do not reflect the goal for 2013 but what was actually collected for 2013 vs what the parishes are tasked with coming up with in 2014....or else.
Or else take church funds to offset the balance or better yet, donate your stipends and starve like the rest of us.
To the NEO pastors, I believe that if you steer away a bit and learn the culture which is, the Chamorro people will give, but when treated differently from those within the community, you will not have a problem. When you believe that the community comes first, then believe me, you will come last. The first shall be last and the last shall be first. Continue to treat us unfairly and you can all take the back seat.
Yes, we are a giving people. We give usually give more than we have. When you step on our toes, we bite back. The Archbishop may bark all he wants. The saying goes, his bark is worse than his bite, well, our bite will be worse than your bark.
There are not very many Tan Marias and Tun Joses around to bite the dust. We are the baby boomers and radicals we are. Most of us follow our parents teachings of the Catholic faith but are not subject to say AMEN when the church hollers.
All these so called contributors who are honored yearly should ask where the money is going too. We just cannot hand out money freely and not get an accountability of it.
Don't know what the church is going to do or where it it heading to, but enough is enough. The Archbishop should be satisfied with what people can give. If not, then now I can honestly say that his debts are piling up and is in deep shit!
Here is an example of the Vatican taking steps to investigate a questionable bishop. But I guess Germany is big enough to get the Pope's attention but little old Guam is not important enough. http://www.crisismagazine.com/2014/the-real-scandal-in-germany?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CrisisMagazine+%28Crisis+Magazine%29
Archbishop and his minions are certainly sucking the juice out of the people of Guam. If the people let him suck the juice out of them they are foolish. It's time to stand up against Apuron and his minions on the hill. They are not respecting people.
This is how blind the Archbishop and the Neo priests are. They think all those big shots they honor every year at their gala dinner show up because they really support the Neos. If only they knew what these honorees really felt about the Neos. I do! And so do other people. These big shots ar ejust polite and good Catholics so they show up and smile. The Neos are so blind what the very people they honor actually feel. It makes me laugh and cry at the same time.
Poor pastors watch you don't end up like fr. Paul. Guess the congregation for the clergy will have greater paperwork from Guam to deal with. Archbishop Apuron sure likes to create conflict .
My friends in the banking business on Guam told me that the Archdiocese had a bad name as far as asking for loans nowadays. Banks afraid to loan money to the Archdiocese. Deep already in debt.
While I too was tempted to blame him, I don't think we should, at least in this case. Here's why:
The allocation percentages for the 2014 appeal do not seem to be based on census population, so I suspect that they are either based on parish registration numbers or on parish pro rata share of the tax on the weekend collections. In either case, they are most likely based on parish size. St. Andrew Kim, the Korean parish is a very small parish, and their contributions to the Appeal last year were far greater than the other parishes relative to their size. I believe that this accounts for the seeming anomaly.
Required collection? Take the money from the Easter Sunday trash bag taken from the Hotel. People give what they can afford. If Nana and Tata can only afford to give $5.00 from their pension, so be it. I guess Ceasar Apuron is collecting taxes from the poor. Tell the parents of these seminarians to hold fundraisers in their countries to hold fundraisers to help pay for their tuitions. Bunch of leeches!
ReplyDeleteOur people cannot even afford the Obama care act let alone give more than they can handle. Typical Neo tactic....give your money away because it is evil!
Here is an idea....why don't you GREAT MIGHTY CEASAR STAND AT INTERSECTION by CHIEF QUEPUHA, HOLD YOUR SIGN UP.....DONATE TO the NEOS. For goodness sake, we give what we can yet you want the whole lot, stock and barrel. Good luck to you and my sympathies to the parish priests who have deal with this!
BTW NEO PRIESTS and SEMINARIANS you can join Ceasar at the Palace intersection.
Word is that even the Neo pastors are upset with this, especially since they were never supposed to be pastors in the first place.
DeleteThey must obey and keep silence. They cannot question. Guess they never saw this coming. Wonder if the pastor of Chalan Pago will be selling fresh squeezed orange juice after each mass. Then one can say he sucked the juice out of all,his parishioners!
DeleteWord from the meeting is - 65% of this sarcastic amount will go towards the Neo seminary. Hmmmmm....and the Archdiocese wouldn't have to foot a dime for Aaron Quitugua. It would be nice if 65% of this could help Aaron and the 8 young men forming for the Capuchins, and also the other men who want a NON NEO formation. Truly truly sad...
ReplyDeleteSorry Ceasar.....collect elsewhere.
ReplyDeleteWhere in the world did they come up with this figures. The smaller villages such as Santa Rita, Yona, Mangilao! etc have large assessments. Something is wrong here.
ReplyDeleteWho did the maftamatiks here.
If the utility bill is high at the seminary, turn the air on off, open the windows and get your air from the ocean breeze. Some off us can't even pay our bills on time.
People, take care of your bills before taking care of someone else's bills. This is just a SIN.
Interesting data. Bottom line is that ALL parishes performed badly in meeting the goal. Who set the goal anyway? Over ambitious? But some parishes did really bad. Talofofo maybe because that foreign priest, no one understood him when he talked. Ordot has a big debt when Monsignor Quitugua the older build that 2 story building and then bingo was outlawed by the Archbishop. Malojloj came in low, but they lost the Carmelite place. Inarajn is Neo, but didn't do well. Same with Merizo another Neo parish. Santa Bernadita's priest Fr. Edwin didn't do very well. Small place but Fr. Edwin is Neo. Some parishes did a little better , the ones who just always do well. Santa Rita and Sinajana. But far from the goal but like I said who invented those goals??? Big places like Tamuning (Neo pastor) and Dededo also poor job. Yes I think the people are not happy with this administration. Now they want to demand even more money from the parishes but never ask the question why is the Appeal doing so badly? They dont like to look in the mirror I guess.
ReplyDeleteThe numbers presented do not reflect the goal for 2013 but what was actually collected for 2013 vs what the parishes are tasked with coming up with in 2014....or else.
DeleteOr else take church funds to offset the balance or better yet, donate your stipends and starve like the rest of us.
DeleteTo the NEO pastors, I believe that if you steer away a bit and learn the culture which is, the Chamorro people will give, but when treated differently from those within the community, you will not have a problem. When you believe that the community comes first, then believe me, you will come last. The first shall be last and the last shall be first. Continue to treat us unfairly and you can all take the back seat.
Yes, we are a giving people. We give usually give more than we have. When you step on our toes, we bite back. The Archbishop may bark all he wants. The saying goes, his bark is worse than his bite, well, our bite will be worse than your bark.
DeleteThere are not very many Tan Marias and Tun Joses around to bite the dust. We are the baby boomers and radicals we are. Most of us follow our parents teachings of the Catholic faith but are not subject to say AMEN when the church hollers.
ReplyDeleteAll these so called contributors who are honored yearly should ask where the money is going too. We just cannot hand out money freely and not get an accountability of it.
Don't know what the church is going to do or where it it heading to, but enough is enough. The Archbishop should be satisfied with what people can give. If not, then now I can honestly say that his debts are piling up and is in deep shit!
Enough is enough. Archbishop Apuron please stop what you are doing.
ReplyDeleteHere is an example of the Vatican taking steps to investigate a questionable bishop. But I guess Germany is big enough to get the Pope's attention but little old Guam is not important enough. http://www.crisismagazine.com/2014/the-real-scandal-in-germany?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CrisisMagazine+%28Crisis+Magazine%29
ReplyDeleteArchbishop and his minions are certainly sucking the juice out of the people of Guam. If the people let him suck the juice out of them they are foolish. It's time to stand up against Apuron and his minions on the hill. They are not respecting people.
ReplyDeleteThis is how blind the Archbishop and the Neo priests are. They think all those big shots they honor every year at their gala dinner show up because they really support the Neos. If only they knew what these honorees really felt about the Neos. I do! And so do other people. These big shots ar ejust polite and good Catholics so they show up and smile. The Neos are so blind what the very people they honor actually feel. It makes me laugh and cry at the same time.
ReplyDeletePoor pastors watch you don't end up like fr. Paul. Guess the congregation for the clergy will have greater paperwork from Guam to deal with. Archbishop Apuron sure likes to create conflict .
ReplyDeleteTruth archdiocese is in debt . Apuron is in deep problem.
ReplyDeleteYes. To the tune of about $19 million.
DeleteMy friends in the banking business on Guam told me that the Archdiocese had a bad name as far as asking for loans nowadays. Banks afraid to loan money to the Archdiocese. Deep already in debt.
DeleteUnderstand the above. But can anyone explain the logic of the numbers of the Korean catholic parish.
ReplyDeleteDominic Kim is the archdiocesan finance officer. He is also a deacon at the Korean church. He's just taking care of his own!
DeleteWhile I too was tempted to blame him, I don't think we should, at least in this case. Here's why:
DeleteThe allocation percentages for the 2014 appeal do not seem to be based on census population, so I suspect that they are either based on parish registration numbers or on parish pro rata share of the tax on the weekend collections. In either case, they are most likely based on parish size. St. Andrew Kim, the Korean parish is a very small parish, and their contributions to the Appeal last year were far greater than the other parishes relative to their size. I believe that this accounts for the seeming anomaly.
Understand now the connection. Several times we have found Dominic Kim to have failed in his financial leadership of the archdiocese.
ReplyDeleteObviously it is interesting, that with father Paul out of the way in Dededo, the "goals" for collection increase by over 350%....ummmm
ReplyDeleteOnly a dumb bank manager would loan money to the archbishop of Guam today. It would be a joke to,everyone if a bank did.
ReplyDeleteMay we have facts to support the Deacon tenorio case. We have suspected some reasons why archbishop Apuron bows so much to this deacon over the years.
ReplyDelete