Wednesday, January 29, 2014

HOW MUCH OF YOUR MONEY IS SENT TO THE CHANCERY?

CORRECTION: The original post was worded wrong. But the correction is even worse. Rather than the percentage of the Sunday collection siphoned off by the chancery, the chart below shows only the amount they took last year for their "Annual Appeal" and how much they intend to take this year, IN ADDITION to what they already take each week. The money for the Annual Appeal is supposed to be used to

...assist our seminarians in their formation to the priesthood, our chaplains to the Guam Memorial Hospital, Department of Corrections, Department of Youth Affairs, and the emergency needs of our priest (sic).

We have no problem with assisting chaplains or priests with emergency needs. We do have a problem with sending money to Redemptoris Mater Seminary so that those priests can be sent elsewhere at Kiko's direction. 

It's damn well time the Chancery shows us where our money is going or they aren't going to get any of it! The pastors are having a meeting this morning at 10am. Call them, text them, let them know!

Most of these are MASSIVE increases. Only Umatac goes down a little. Maina has a tiny increase. Hmmm, this must have been composed before last week's aviso. The Korean parish has a MASSIVE DECREASE. Wonder why that is?


24 comments:

  1. What you are saying is that in order to raise the target amount, the parishes have to turn in the amount indicated? So I am presuming that if this amount is not met, then the parishes have to fork out the difference regardless if people give or not. Collect the DAMM MONEY for GUISEPPE GERANINNI, and The NCW PRIEST who initiated this movement with KIKO a father Pezzio or something. Maybe this is the amount needed because the archdiocese is in back payment to these so called mafia group.

    Maybe the AG or the FEDS should investigate what is going on.

    We are truly ignorant to be duped twice. First by the USA and they are still doing it and now by this couple. HELLO, smell the coffee brewing.

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  2. When is the Archbishop and his minions going to realize that you can't force people to give to an APPEAL? An appeal is a request. They seriously need someone on the hill that has knowledge of English grammar.
    I am a Santa Barbara parishioner, and Aaron Quitugua was once a dedicated altar server here. I'm not giving to the Archbishop's "Appeal", and I wonder, if Aaron's story is highly publicized, just how many parishioners would do the same? Stop lording over the people Archbishop! The Lord created you with goodness - Stop letting the NCW cloud your judgment!

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  3. Let's clarify. The Chancery taxes the weekly parish collections at some rate and pursuant to Canon Law. This document, though, relates to the annual appeal, which is something different. Can you find out how much they take from our weekend collections? Si Yu'os Ma'ase'.

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    1. I believe 10% is taken from the collections to give to the chancery. My understanding that each parish this year must give the amount specified or they have to make up the difference with parish money.

      I sure would like to see Barrigada come up with the money. With Adrian back, parishioners will run. We ran to Mangilao with others at the start of the NCW there.

      Good luck parishioners, you will need to,do bake sales, car washes, lunch plates, or fundraisers at the bars to accommodate his ROYAL HIGHNESS and members of his COURT.

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  4. Don't they get it yet? The people don't want to give to the Neo! Everything on the hill is so corrupt..how greedy! And they have the nerve to say WE are slaves to Satan?

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  5. If I understand this doc, this is for the Annual Appeal or what we used to know as Catholic Charities which they said since I was a kid is for the education of the seminarians. So they want $253,000 for this year? Is that how much the Neo seminary is costing to run? Or is this also for the travel of the Neos to Rome and Mexico and wherever they also come from?

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  6. Guam Catholics in protest to archbishop Apuron should use this appeal to express their concern over archbishop Apurons administration. Do not give to the 2014 appeal. Give this money to the ofm caps. Stop the money to the archdiocese of Agana . It is the only way the people of Guam will be noticed by Apuron. Remember he loves money more than people.

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  7. Agree. Stop the money to archbishop apurons appeal. Give the donations this year to Ofm caps . If you and your friends and family support this, let's all add comments to this blog section. Just comment and say how much you give, let's see how we can reduce this appeal in protest.

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  8. So in essence, the faithful are being FORCED to give.. and if we don't give, what will the Archbishop do? Looks like the NCW is desperate. Everyone is having a tough time, and I'm sure parishioners give because they WANT to give. For the education of seminarians? The Neo seminarians? Now that for sure is a joke...

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  9. Yes, let's give to the Capuchins who have led us faithfully for over 100years! They have seminarians that are in need of help too, and they don't get any of these proceeds. The Capuchins have their own Capuchin Appeal. Sad that the Archbishop doesn't share. Shouldn't it go to ALL seminarians!

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  10. I understand that the parish is obligated to pay its assigned share to the Chancery regardless if they collect that amount. Wow! Poor pastors! I am reminded of those feudal days when a tenant or farmer has to pay his assigned taxes to the King regardless of whether you had a harvest or not. Thus, pastors are now expected to pull it out of their weekly Sunday collections to pay their share further reducing their ability to manage their parishes. Hail to the King of San Ramon Hill...or should I say Dictator!

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  11. I heard that the Chancery told their pastors that if they collect more than their quota, they get to keep the excess, but the pastors turned it down! Good for them! That is deceitful and dishonest to ask parishoners to donate for a certain cause only to keep a portion for something else Shame on the Chancery for even suggesting it. They actually thought that pastors would be pleased to get more money no matter how deceitful. That seems to the mentality of the Chancery. Money buys; scruples die.

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  12. Do not trust Anthony Apuron with money or any of his minions on the hill. Until the priests and people of Guam, unite together, take their concerns direct to the congregation for bishops these things will continue to happen. The problem is the avenue the archbishop has decided to take will lead to other serious issues in the metropolitan archdiocese of Agana to be exposed. People would have kept quiet, he would have been ok. But he created upset and has opened very old wounds.

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  13. Correct. It is sop in most dioceses that pastors can keep funds co
    Lectern over and above the amount asked by the local ordinary. However, this is not the issue on Guam. We are a wealthy archdiocese, and loyal Catholics will always give to projects. No question. The concern is archbishop Apuron and his use of our money . It is about the intention of the donor . If we give to educate our local men to serve as priests, that is what we give to. It is not to be used for the next air ticket to fly someone to the far corners of the earth or to pay a high chancery salary, or even the seminary Power bill. It is given to train priests. But remember a seminarian was told no money to go to seminary. Above comments true. Stop,the money to the annual appeal.

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  14. $253,000 USD is not a lot of money . Infact if the people of Guam really desired they could with ease give one million USD. We know that. By the very fact of Tim's excel chart today showing 2013 record it can be observed that people are already sick of what the three on the hill are doing. It a
    Ready shows they have lost trust. Last year people just have coins, this year may not even be coins. People of Guam send direct to the ofm caps. Help the Jesuit fathers also, consider the sisters of mercy to help their work, and other orders.

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  15. It takes a lot more than $250K to run the Chancery and Seminary, so most of the funding probably comes from the 10% tax on the weekly collections. The monthly utility bills on the seminary are probably high. I know of a government building in Hagatna that pays $50,000 in utilities, and it's smaller than that hotel.

    Anyway, parishioners who want to help their parish should make their weekly donation checks directly to GPA, GWA and other parish vendors. You probably won't be able to itemize it on your taxes, but...

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    1. Correction: That's $50k per month in utilities for a large building that is smaller than the seminary.

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  16. Why doesn't Archbishop Apuron just sell his expensive car and buy a cheaper one and use the money he gets to help pay his beloved seminary.....anyone else agree?

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  17. For the past several years, I have donated $200.00 to the Annual Appeal which use to be Catholic Charities Appeal. It may not seem like a lot but for me it is and I gladly gave it believing that it was going for the financial support of our local seminarians. Now that I know this is no longer the case, I will no longer be contributing to the so call Annual Appeal. This year I intend to give my money to the Capachins. I would advise others to rethink their position on donating to the Archdioesce and lets see what happens.

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  18. Stop the money to the archbishops appeal and make your voice heard. If people continue to give Apuron funding you are supporting his abuse of power. Stop the money and he will re think. How can he be driving a 68,000 USD car unless the people give him the cash flow. And even if he has personal wealth from family, like archbishop flores, is it right to spend on a car.
    Archbishop Apuron does not compare to archbishop Flores, Flores had humility, because he was rich, Apuron gained his wealth as a priest. That's why he acts as he does. Easy come easy to.

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  19. Anyone know how much the monthly power bill of the hotel seminary.
    Anyone know how much it costs to prepare the seminary meals .
    Anyone know how much to fly in priests to teach.
    What are the expenses of administering this seminary which does not belong to our archdiocese. Guam wake up your being fooled by the three on the hill.

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  20. If you continue to give money to the appeal you are feeding archbishop Apurons and the NCW. When you remove money you will teach him a lesson that he cannot continue to abuse the people of Guam. This is 2014 and apurons bullying style is unacceptable in today's church. Not even pope Francis will support apurons leadership style. Wake up Guam!

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  21. Two can play Apuron's and the NCW's games, folks. Just as they feel they can blatantly force us to support the Seminary (which we do not choose to nor want to) so can we blatantly refuse to give any monies toward this appeal/allocation primarily allocated for the Seminary.

    If it is costly to run that NCW seminary then close the seminary! Yes, Guam, wake up! Would you rather see your parishes go to the poor house; maybe even see your parish close down or go bankrupt because it is forced to give to the Chancery a set, forced amount, whether or not parishioners have given toward that ridiculous goal?

    People Power, unite! Refuse supporting this appeal/allocation which primarily will support the seminary! We should be able to choose to either give to the Chanceryor not, besides giving to our Parish!

    I support and will support and contribute toward the expenses and the running of my parish but refuse to support an entity I do not believe in, let alone an entity which irreverently treats the manner in which The Holy Eucharist is distributed and received! Think about it, folks, why should we contribute toward the Chancery, when our Arbishop himself does not want to comply with Rome's request for the NCW to change their way of distributing and receiving Holy Communion? I am not giving to this appeal, regardless how it is allocated!!

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  22. Wake up Guam! Stop the money to the 2014 appeal it is the only way to return order to the archdiocese of Agana. If you continue to support the appeal you contribute to the decay in the archdiocese. Stop the money to the 2014 appeal and forward it to ofm caps and to the Jesuit Fathers. Wake up, it is 2014, not 1980, we don't listen to archbishops who have lost the capacity to govern.

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