Anonymous January 9, 2014 at 6:31 PM
The NCW should not only be looked into for disobeying Rome in liturgical matters, but also be investigated for teaching heresy during their catechesis. I heard from someone that attended their regular catechesis meetings that they were teaching, "God is not offended by our sins - we only sin against our neighbor since nothing can be added nor taken away from Him." That is downright blasphemy and heresy!
Anonymous January 9, 2014 at 6:46 PM
I heard this, I heard that....the list goes on and on..........................
The second Anonymous is obviously an NCW defender and is mocking the first commenter. In this case, the NCW defender is somewhat justified since the first commenter only reports hearsay.
However, the NCW defender only mocks. He/she provides no proof that the "hearsay" is wrong.
Why not make your "catechism" available to all of us so you can finally disprove these rumors?
Where is the content of your catechesis? What do your catechists actually teach, and from what source?
The rest of us use public catechetical sources: the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the Compendium to the Catechism, the U.S. Catechism for Adults, and the many catechetical series derived from the Catechism, all PUBLICLY available. Nothing to hide.
Where is yours? Where are the "notes" used in your catechesis? What are you taught? Why not post them? Why the secrecy? Secrecy is not Catholic.
Your "come and see" is gnosticism for there is nothing to see. You are not allowed to see until someone approves you for the next step, the next level of secrecy. This is gnosticism. In fact it is Masonic. Perhaps that is why your places of worship resemble Masonic temples:
Feel free to disprove. Post your catechism.
But you will deny again that this has anything to do with you. You have now gone from your "facts" about the manner of distribution to now questioning the catechesis used by the NCW.....and you say this does not concern you.....the list is getting bigger Tim. Then again, this is your blog, you can do whatever, say whatever.
ReplyDeleteAnother pure deflection of the point. Tim's blog represents so many here on Guam. Instead of refuting his claims, you would rather attack his person.
DeleteHow about answering his questions or just don't respond. No response is better than your non-response.
Yes, ad hominum. That's all they know. But for the record, and because you can't read, I nowhere "question" your catechesis. I am siding with you against the hearsay by giving you an opportunity to prove the first commenter wrong. Publish your catechism and we'll all go away.
DeleteTHE EUCHARIST: In the Eucharist, Kiko only sees the Resurrection, the feast, the exaltation, and joy. For him, the dimensions of sacrifice and the cross completely disappear. The error comes from attributing our salvation to Christ's Resurrection rather than to his sacrifice.
ReplyDeleteJesus came to die on the cross to give us salvation and not as Kiko says, "to return to his Father". It's the worthiness and goodness of Christ that saves us! And that worthiness consists of an absolute obedience to the Father even with consequences as extreme as death. This makes him worthy to become our mediator, the only mediating priest between us and God.
The Catechism sees the dimension of sacrifice in the Eucharist which renews itself and becomes effective for us in the Eucharist. Of course even the dimensions of feast and joy can't be left out, that is, the joy in feeling loved by the Lord, in feeling loved for all he has done for us. This must be the reason for joy and not because the whole dimension of sacrifice and the cross has been made to disappear. Therefore, it isn't pagan (as Kiko says) to see the idea of sacrifice in the Eucharist. Rather, it isn't Catholic to not see it.
Kiko even gets a laugh out of the way in which one receives Communion. The Catechism says, "Communion under the species of bread alone makes it possible to receive all the fruit of Eucharistic grace" (No. 1390). Instead, Kiko says that to receive Communion like this is like trying to catch rainwater with a wicker basket. There will be nothing inside! Therefore, bread is insufficient. In fact, in the Neocatechumenal liturgies, the Eucharist is precisely given out in two forms - bread and wine.
Saturday Night Masses for Everyone! Carmen and Kiko's Church of Many Rooms
ReplyDeleteThis is what happens in a Roman Parish with 1,200 neocatechumenals and 26 different Masses to fit each subgroup, while Church hierarchy contradicts itself by turning a blind eye
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