Monday, February 24, 2014

DEAR FR. ADRIAN

Though it's posted as from the usual "Anonymous", this sounds like it came from Fr. Adrian. And even if it didn't, my reply stays the same.

Anonymous February 24, 2014 at 1:12 PM

Mr. Rohr, it is painful to think you have tricked young Aaron into giving you the correspondence between him and the vocation director Fr. Cristobal to further your hopeless causes. Hopefully, you realize this will ruin any chance of Aaron following his vocation. Your lack of prudence is astounding.


Tim February 24, 2014 at 2:41 PM

Dear Fr. Adrian,

Just an FYI. I have had ZERO communication with Aaron.

The bottom line is that you and the Archbishop told Aaron that the reason he could not attend a seminary off-island was because the "Archdiocese no longer has the financial resources to send seminarians to study abroad."

When Aaron came up with the finances to pay for his own education, you refused him sponsorship.

Father, that's called a LIE.

And as for Aaron's chances of "following his vocation", apparently you and the Archbishop already took care of that, didn't you?

"Your lack of prudence is astounding."

Regards,

Tim

38 comments:

  1. Wouldn't they have every right to deny sponsorship though?

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    1. Yes. But they don't have a right to lie. The reason he was given was that they no longer had the financial resources, not that he didn't have a vocation or didn't meet any other personal requirements.

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  2. Whistle blowers don't create the problem, yet those in the guilty party are blind to that. They shoot the messenger and ignore that they themselves created the situation themselves. For shame.
    The neo influence in the Archdiocese of Agana is frightening.

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    1. Yes, I agree. This is the typical response of a person or company whose wrongdoings have been revealed by a whistleblower.

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  3. Hello. This is Aaron's mom. My family and I have supported my son 100% with his decision to become a priest. Unfortunately, many stumbling blocks and obstacles have been placed in my son's way. If anyone knows how sincere and how genuine my son is regarding this vocation, it is me. His heart is for the Lord. He desires to serve God and the people of this island that is his home, and my family and I are very saddened and disappointed that he is being prevented from doing so.
    I am stunned that this person would publicly state that my son's chances of "pursuing his vocation are ruined". When did God make you sit at his right hand and allow you to pass judgment on my son? How dare you accuse my son of handing over correspondence to Mr. Rohr. If anyone knows Aaron, they know he considers confidentiality a priority. In fact, this is the first time I have ever seen this correspondence between Aaron and Fr. Adrian. I highly and strongly doubt Aaron released this.
    Despite what you say, we will continue to pray for Aaron and support him, and in fact, will pray for you as well, whoever you are.
    God has the final say! May His will be done.

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    1. Non Neo here. but Tim posted it on this blog. If your son did not give it to him, so who did? The FBI? This correspondence don't interest me anyway.

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    2. I am a mother and your response was absolutely heartbreaking. We too will pray for your son. Don't lose hope!

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    3. Tim already stated he has had NO communication with Aaron. I believe Tim and I believe Aaron. That's good enough for me. If you're not interested in it, why comment?

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    4. I never get any of the letters I have posted direct from their sources. Neither Fr. Paul or Aaron or anyone else. I do that to protect them. If you haven't figure it out there is a powerful team of lay persons behind all this. Let's just call it "active participation of the laity." :)

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  4. 3:50pm of course it doesn't interest you, you have no spiritual regards for your fellow human that's why.

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  5. Local seminarians go to the press. Your individual religious rights have been violated. Other congregations (JWs, SDAs and LDS and NCW) are stealing sheep from Mother Church due to this NCW fiasco.

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  6. Dear Fr. Adrian;

    I suggest you take a loooooooooooooong hard look and do some soul searching to see if being a "priest" is still your calling. You were not effective in any of the parishes you were assigned to- Hagatna, Barrigada, Maina, where else? You are bounced around you leave little to no mark or for growth and planting seeds- most don't even remember your tenure. You have failed the people of Guam (as a son of Guam), your writing and interpretations of the faith is a joke. You play your role well hatchet man of the Neo and Arch.

    Sincerely,

    Edward S.
    A former parishioner of Barrigada (left when the Neo got there and everything changed) and now Maina (wife is from here)

    p.s. I am glad you got reassigned. Fr. Richard Kidd is doing an amazing job inspiring faith and togetherness not divisive, vindictiveness and negativity.

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  7. This case is exactly where KoC and other Catholic lay groups group together and pay his tuition regardless of NCW. Reduce your weekly church donation and submit the balance to (Catholic group of choice) this young man's/future priest's education.

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  8. Not to change the subject, but incase ya'll didn't know - in the midst of all this going on Msgr. David, vicar general flies to Saipan to spread the NeoCat way of life. Somebody needs to knock some sense into these people and tell them it would be a good idea for all of them to stay low during this crap. Just saying....

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    1. Here's a question: Does Msgr. David have faculties in Saipan? It's a different diocese. Faculties don't automatically transfer. Priests from outside a diocese cannot say Mass publicly without the permission of the local ordinary, which in the case of Saipan is a diocesan administrator.

      And what of Fr. Jason, who was recent sent to Saipan. Was he invited? Was he assigned? Does he have permission to say Mass?

      Probably not. But there's no need. The Neo "masses" are private. They're not supposed to be, but they are. Thus neo priests may come and go in other dioceses without obtaining the proper permissions required of other priests.

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  9. Dear anonymous 9.24. You are absolutely right in your remarks and conclusions. Sadly this type of arrogance from NCW and their minions often leads to blindness and deafness...ergo the continuing of destructive practices.

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  10. Our cause is not hopeless. We will stop you from destroying the Catholic Church on Guam and replacing it with the NCW. This blog is just the very beginning. Invariably, protests outside of the cathedral and chancery will follow along with a lawsuit to enjoin the transfer of the seminary to the NCW. The documents obtained during court ordered discovery will, I suspect, be very problematic for the archbishop and his lieutenants.

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    1. AnonymousFebruary 25, 2014 at 2:54 Christian does not sue people. Yeah thru baptismal you are CATHOLIC but your heart is harden. JESUS CHRIST did not do this. Cast your stone cuz you never sin. I pray for you, really and sincerely. Jesus Christ said DO NOT BE AFRAID. from Non NCW member.

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    2. Anon 7:15 - how judgmental can you be to say someone's heart is harden? I hardly believe you are a non neo...your grammatical errors and choice of words gives you away. You are already anonymous so there is no need to further hide yourself.

      You obviously follow this blog so you are aware that this whole situation did not start out overnight or as a fight for that matter. There were questions and request for dialogue that were ignored. Now there is no other option left but to fight or flee and this is OUR HOUSE and we will not run! Yes, Jesus said do not be afraid so we must fight to preserve Catholicism on our island.

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    3. I wish I could help somehow. I've been talking to everyone I could to read this blog but I really would like to do more.

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    4. So, if the archbishop has indeed illegally transferred the seminary from the archdiocese to the NCW are you saying that in such case we are morally obligated to do nothing about the illegal transfer? What do you think Jesus would have to say about the illegal transfer? As far as casting stones, the lawsuit would not be punitive, but just a necessary measure in order to return stolen property. I'm not sure why you would oppose such a lawsuit. Upon return, the seminary property could be used for the general benefit of all of the people of the archdiocese, rather than as it is now, i.e., for the exclusive benefit of a small group (NCW) that asserts that we (regular Catholics) are Judases and which wants to convert us away from our Catholic faith.

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    5. AnonymousFebruary 25, 2014 at 9:09 AM you assume way to much. If Barabas is your spirit, so be it. Amen. Continue the fight to destroy the innocent. It shows your guard is up and so by all means. Far away. I hope you can sleep at night.

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    6. 1000am: This fight is for the protection of the innocent - my children and the children of this island - from the evil that has befallen the Catholic Church on Guam. St. Michael the Arcangel, defend us in battle...

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  11. Yes, as a P.S. you only wish it was "my cause". You know that it isn't. You know that I am just the sounding board, a conduit for the mass of anger that has been brewing for over a decade. Do you really think it was me or Fr. Paul who hired the lawyers? Now would be a good time to go away again. It's just beginning.

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  12. Mr. Barabas 100am, I recognize you from other comments. What does 909am assume? Please enlighten us stupids with your special knowledge because your comments are coherent and intelligent.

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  13. Apparently, Mr. Quitugua is more committed to securing his future needs rather than making a sacrifice and placing his full trust in God to take care of his future. Indeed, he is not ready for the priesthood.

    Oh Diana, Diana, who are you to judge that Aaron is not ready for priesthood?
    Only God knows!

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    1. Note that the first paragraph of the above comment should be in quotes, the poster of the comment is quoting the infamous Diana, who once again demonstrates here "her" (if Diana is a her ?) lack of intellect, once again evincing the level of intellectual development within the NCW.

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    2. The Shepherd does, not you to make that decision. If he is not fit to be a seminarian, you patiently wait. Apparently he is not ready. Priesthood is not like boyscout, you can't just sign up and be a PRIEST.

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    3. It's sad that Aaron was not given the opportunity to seek out his calling to the priesthood. There seems to be the impression that once a young man enters he is already committed.

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    4. Truly, I have never met any group more judgmental than the people on this blog who represent themselves as members of the NCW. Truly.

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    5. And your not Tim? Cast your stone if you don't sin, why don't you.

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    6. I was counting on getting the above. And I figured that the above would come from someone who could not distinguish between judgement of acts and judgement of persons. I have judged the "acts" of certain persons based on documented evidence. The people criticizing Aaron are judging Aaron. But we can expect more of the irrational.

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  14. A boy in community ask our catechist if it would be okay to join the Franciscan order. The catechist said he couldn't because the Redemptoris Mater seminary is the only way for formation in the Way. They even had the audacity to mock the boy for even thinking about that order for his vocation. This happens to girls too discerning their vocations. None of the girls who joined the carmelite order stayed here. They were sent to New Jersey where Fr. Pius has control. It's really sad because he often comments on how "dry" everyone's faith is here. If more people saw the young women on island as carmelites maybe it would make other young women want to join too? My goodness the hypocrisy that comes out of this so called "Catholic" group. It's there Way or no Way at all. Poor Aaron. I really feel so sorry that the Way has gotten in his way of his vocation.

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  15. I heard there is something irregular about Carmelites of New Jersey. Not sure what though.

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  16. There is no freedom for any personal choice. All decisions are decided for you. Your vocation,the direction of your marriage, your education, you employ ...community decides,you follow. Not for you to question.

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    1. You are correct anonymous. After you walk for awhile you will be told to talk to your catechist about any decisions you make in your life. If you want to take a new job and they say no then you are forced to listen to them. If not they will tell you the devil is working in you and making you feel horrible. It's really horrendous.

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    2. It's Kiko's artifice, Ric. There was no such hierarchical structure of authoritarian lay catechists who controlled the lives of the faithful in the early Church.

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    3. Indeed Chuck. But unfortunately for many in the Way this slight of hand isn't recognized. And of course this euphoric feeling that you're participating in the church of the "early Christians" also blinds you to the fact that there were no such thing lay catechists that had a say over you.

      In fact Christians are encouraged to use their minds and pray, but Neocats are told to be obedient even if you heavily disagree.

      To help justify his decisions over our community my catechist told me he was "an angel" sent from God for us. That without his guidance we would be nothing. Please pray for those in community. They truly believe in this. I'm glad I saw past the smoke screens.

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