Sunday, March 9, 2014

WHY SO MANY SEMINARIANS?

The Redemptoris Mater Seminary in Boston has a current population of 20 seminarians. The Redemptoris Mater Seminary of Guam has current population of 39 seminarians, 29 of which are for Guam. The U Matuna notes that the other 10 are for other dioceses and their education is paid for by those dioceses. That means, we are currently paying for the education of 29 seminarians. 

The Archdiocese of Boston has a Catholic population of approximately 2.1 million Catholics. The Archdiocese of Agana has a Catholic population of approximately 130,000 Catholics (159,358 pop. 2010 census, approx 80% Catholic). 

In Boston there are nearly 104,000 Catholics for every one seminarian at its RMS. In Guam there are only 4,483 Catholics for every seminarian. 

That means Guam has 23 times more seminarians per Catholic than the Archdiocese of Boston. And the numbers are pretty much the same when compared to Newark, Denver, D.C., etc. Guam has an extremely disproportionate number of seminarians. 

According to Cardinal Sean O'Malley, the Archbishop of Boston, neocatechumenal seminarians are assigned to seminaries. By who, he doesn't say, but we can assume Kiko and his team. So why would Kiko send 23 times more seminarians per Catholic to Guam than to Boston and the other U.S. dioceses?

More to come on this.

Note: We are hearing that Kiko doesn't send them. It doesn't matter who sends them. According to O'Malley they are ASSIGNED. And then we have to ask WHO and WHY are 23 times more seminarians (per Catholic capita) being ASSIGNED to Guam. Is it because Guam Catholics are known suckers in the Neocatechumenal world? Or is it because we have the only U.S. seminary where a (real) college degree isn't required and, well, you can fill in the blank.

44 comments:

  1. Could it be because we're closer to Asia, and the plan is to evangelize to non-Christians in Asia?

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  2. Um, they couldn't meet the entrance requirements of those other seminaries?

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  3. Maybe because here seminarians can be emersed entirely by neo propaganda without any limits. The stateside RMS are educated in existing Diocesan seminary programs so there are other rules and regulations they must comply with.

    R. Camacho

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  4. It's obvious. Kiko sent them to take over Guam.

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  5. Door #2' we are the only ones who use most of the Appeal,Money to educated the seminarians. All others within the United States use their money to help parish missions, the schools, the elderly, the less fortunate, etc.

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  6. Door#2. We are like the promis land, rich in milk and honey! An island to call his own!

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  7. When we study Guam situation and the Saipan situation it is fairly clear that we have two diocese in a serious leadership crisis. This is caused for various reasons. . But a central theme between the two is now the neo movement. It is clear that an outside intervention is now required to clean up the leadership of this western pacific region. Further to this if one studies closely there are unaccounted clergy from these two dioceses living in various parts of the world. So really Guam does not need missionaries from any place. The archbishop simply needs to work and take care of the priests he already has.

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  8. With all due respect why do you want 29 seminarians. If the archbishop takes seriously his canonical responsibility to his priests he cannot take care of all the numbers. Health care for one. Are you aware of health care for 29 seminarians. Who supports them. Who pays for their meals. After ordination how will they be placed, is Guam to pay for them all. On another note if one of these priests, not from Guam,but incardinated, gets involved in bad actions after ordination say in south America, does archbishop Apuron understand he can be sued for their actions. And Guam would have to pay. The long term dangers for Guam is now very high. And these people are not even known to us on Guam. Best we take care of our own.

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  9. This is a very very serious issue. It is not a laughing matter anymore. The financial problems with all of this down the road is beyond the reach of Guam. Apuron may sail,through he has only afew years left. But for the next archbishop of Guam will be years of problems to clean apurons shit. It's alarming and the local diocesan priests of Guam need to get real and face reality. Sorry.

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  10. I do not know of any non-Christians, or even non-Catholics pursued by the Neo here on Guam. Not that there may be few here or there, but the primary target has been Guam Catholics in the pew. If they were to bring members to the Church, they certainly are doing a poor job of infiltrating the Protestants.
    My (informed) guess is the take over of the Church on Guam. The re-imaging of the Church in Barrigada, the removal and replacement of non-neo local priests, the removal of non-neo Filipino priest, and the alternative worship "structures" (not churches) being proposed and built on Guam, these (and possibly more under the radar tactics) are all red flags. Most of all, a deeply Neo involved and sympathetic Archbishop. The Neo are seemingly and aggressively taking over and altering the Church on Guam.
    Some (most exclusively the Neo) will say that this is a good thing for a decreasingly populated Church (But what are numbers to an authentic liturgy? But I, kinda, digress). So far, their means definitely do not justify any end.

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  11. Is this the answer behind door #2? The strategy, goal and plan all along has been and still is to take over the Catholic Church on Guam to become 100% Kiko's church! How? One step at a time to avoid suspicions. Step 1: take a good hold of the bishop -- check mark. Accomplished (a very easy first victim!). Step 2: placement of yes-men/clergy in diocesan hierarchy to protect bishop -- check mark, another very easy targets accomplished. Step 3: remove un-cooperative clergy from prime large parishes -- encountered un-planned opposition! Jump to Step 4: slowly but surely replace non-neo "visiting-status" Filipino parish priests with neo "Presbyters" -- staying smoothly on track toward parish-take over but Not Fully Accomplished. Step 5 recruit only neo "easy-target" seminarians from young local men to eventually replace senior and eventually aging non-neo local parish priest -- kinda on track but encountering glitches. Are we at least "warm" with regard to the answer as to WHY THIS MANY SEMINARIANS ON GUAM? :)

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    1. YES!!! CONTESTANT #2. You get the car AND the girl!! (crowd goes wild).

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  12. This is interesting....

    THE Pope confirms to KIKO ARGUELLO as consultant to the Pontifical Council for the LAITY: the Pope has confirmed the appointment of the initiator and leader of the international team of the Neocatechumenal way, Kiko Argüello, as a Consultor of the Pontifical Council for the laity during the next five years. This confirmation is attached to his appointment in 2011 as a Consultor of the Pontifical Council for the new evangelization.

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    1. And your point is? Just an FYI, Kiko is only one of 25 consulters on the council and consulters are just that, consulters. They don't make policy, they are only asked for an opinion. But for all we know, especially given Kiko's shameful display of ego this past Feb 1, lecturing the pope and taking up most of his time in front of the whole world, Francis may have just decided to keep a closer eye on this poor rabid man, so he appointed him to a council. This is an oft used strategy: keep your enemies closer.

      But beyond the anal preoccupation with their tiny selves, the Pontifical Council of the Laity oversees over 100 other groups, some much larger and more established than the neons. In fact, the Council recently recognized a new community to its fold: Faith and Light. Notice that they only need ONE YEAR for a trial period, not 5 like the neons did (wonder why?):

      MEMBERSHIP

      Faith and Light comprises 1612 communities in 81 countries as follows: Africa (22), America (13), Asia (12), Europe (32), Oceania (2).

      http://www.laici.va/content/laici/en/sezioni/associazioni/repertorio/associazione-internazionale-fede-e-luce.html

      Faith and Light is guided by an Administrative Council, upholder of the mission and vision of the movement. Faith and Light is subdivided in fifty Provinces around the world. Provinces coordinators make up a Council headed by the International Coordinator and assisted by the International Spiritual Assistant. It animates the life of the movement. The General Assembly, the utmost authority of the movement, is composed of delegates from each Province (parents, friends, disabled people), coordinators and spiritual assistants of Provinces, International vice-coordinators and by the Administrative Council. The life of the Association hinges around the communities. Their recognition as members of Faith and Light International, after a trial period of at least one year, depends upon compliance with the requisites set out in the Constitution.

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  13. Heh. Been over to the "wonderland" known as Diana's blog? Seems she can't stay away from the Jungle. In fact, neither can her followers. They say so in comments to her. Most revealing: almost every single one of her post is in direct response to what TIm has posted on JW.

    Even with a decrease of commenting activity from some of her regulars here, it is obvious Jungle Watch is relevant to them. Otherwise, why would she and those others continue to attempt to counter this blog?

    The latest, the seminarians are here because of a lottery system. Nothing is ever due to free will with these folks.

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    1. Diana uses facts, but you use conspiracy theories. Where is your evidence that Kiko sent them? All you have is your assumption, but Diana backs what she says.

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    2. Here, I am allowing this one through 9:33am, as another gauge of the intelligence and the helplessness of these poor people. I made no definitive statement of fact that Kiko sent them, I said we can "assume". And the reason we can "assume" is because Kiko controls everything anyway. For jackasses who can't read, the real issue is that they were ASSIGNED, according to O'Malley. So they DIDN'T choose to help us poor slubs in Guam, they were assigned here. Simply idiotically funny.

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    3. Anon @ 9:33 - Diana manipulates, distorts and rationalizes in presenting her argument. She even creates her own definitions to fit her explanations. Time and time she has been disproved here on this blog, not from opinion, but from cited sources, the CCC and the GIRM.
      She retorts back on her blog because she can be selective to the Truth over there.
      However, good luck with your mindset. Luck is all that's left.

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    4. With all due respect, Diana disqualifies herself from any serious consideration by her ridiculous statements about the NCW "concelebrated" Mass!

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    5. As distorted, ridiculous and fabricated as Diana's facts and information are, what really is amazing is how the neo followers of Diana's blog feebly accept what she prints without documentation or reference to its validity the way facts and documents are presented here on your blog, Tim, with sources resources and references!!

      Time and again they show their desperation since they themselves (the neos) don't hear their leaders and the archbishop publicly defend nor address the Catholic congregation's issues, their errors and their transgressions pointed out and revealed here.

      Strange as it appears, there is ONE THING we do have in common with the neo members and that is: neither they (neo followers) nor we, the Catholic Faithful see nor have LEADERSHIP FROM THIS LOCAL DIOCESE'S LEADER!

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  14. Who pays to feed 29 seminarians three times a day. Who pays to maintain the daily expenses of the power bills of rms. may we see an accounting of the daily management expenses of this seminary.

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    1. Same questions being asked in Boston.Sounds great in principle. About 26 Neocatechumenal seminarians have studied here since their seminary was founded in 2007, and today, according to the Neocatechumenal Way newsletters, there are 20 seminarians at the Redemptoris Mater Seminary. But here are a few questions:

      Who pays for the tuition of the Neocatechumenal Way seminarians here in Boston–at both St. Johns Seminary and at Boston College, Boston University and other colleges where they study?
      Who pays for their vehicles, gas, maintenance and insurance?
      Who pays for their food, utilities, and building expenses at the location of their seminary in Brookline (former St. Lawrence rectory)
      Who pays for their medical and dental insurance?
      Who pays for their airfares for travel around the U.S. and foreign countries for their itinerant evangelization (or “itinerancy” )
      How much have these expenses totaled: $2M? $3M? $4M?
      Are these expenses paid by the Neocatechumenate Way? Or have they been paid by the Boston Archdiocese and by St. Johns Seminary?

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    2. Read further on BostonCatholicInsider for explanation of the Neocat Phenomenon in Boston. Only one Neocat priest produced for the Archdiocese of Boston despite financing of 26.
      http://bostoncatholicinsider.wordpress.com/2012/05/19/neocatechumenate-questions/

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  15. Check the website of the Archdiocese of Newark. Interesting section in the NCW new priests, where they come from, and their passage to get there.
    That gives you a clear idea of where they are going.
    PS: You will also note the track record of Fr Pius," the eminence grise" of Guam. There is apparently a strong link between the Maltese Carmelites, the Carmelite role in the NCW, their school in Rome and the involvement of anything to do with the Carmel, where the NCW tries to get in.
    True in Italy, in Jersey, Guam and Saipan.
    More to follow

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  16. It is the Saturation Principle: you can own an area of influence by saturation, which is simply an overwhelming presence. The missionary center in Rome uses the neo-catecumenary chain of command to saturate target areas on two levels: 1. recruiting and indoctrinating the faithful on a daily basis to turn them into foot soldiers of the neo-catechumenary, 2. overwhelming a geographical area with their influence and power.

    Make no mistake: this area of influence is never a valid mission target, never a non-Christian geographical location. It is exclusively an area of almost 100$ Catholic population. Saturation is especially successful on isolated territories as islands. Yes, Ladies and Gentlemen, we are talking about islands as targets of the missionary movement for recruitment. This is how Guam became a target of the neo-catechumenary, after another saturation process was completed on an European island, Malta.

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  17. Correct. Guam was used to indoctrinate a small island and because it is wealthy and people give generously to the church. All they had to,do was win over Apuron. And as we all know Apuron is not a leader he swings whatever way is best for him. A man of no,values, a man of no character, so easy for the neo to build their kingdom on Guam.

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  18. Oleh brings out something most of us on Guam know: island= target. Islands are usually easy to attack and overwhelm if they are not prepared for an attack because the defenders cannot easily call for reinforcements nor can they escape. Then once occupied they are easy to dominate and defend and for the same reason. Our WWII history will bear this out.

    In the case of the neo-occupation, the neos had the added advantage of appearing to be Catholics, the natural good graces and welcoming spirit of the local people, and the blessing of its bishop. It was and is a perfect storm.

    Now, as evidenced by the Archbishop's actions against Fr Paul, is the time for the invaders to slash and burn: the mad replacement of pastors with neo-manufactured presbyters from a seminary installed to crank them out as fast as possible, the destruction of local sons who dare to oppose this destruction, the infiltration of the priesthood who in the darkness of the confessional send unsuspecting penitents to neocatechmenal re-education meetings as their "penance", the re-assignment of significant diocesan properties over to the invaders, the destruction of local churches and the erection of neo-catechumenaries, and it goes on.

    Meanwhile, we, have no place to run. For most of us there is no escape. All routes are cut off or soon will be. This is why one of the first acts of the total occupation was the attempt to close the Friary, which was really a veiled attempt to rid the island of the Capuchins, since they are not directly under the Archbishop's control. Not being able to fire them as he did Fr. Paul, he attempted to cut off their supply chain, their funds, by closing the Friary to public Masses, the primary source of income for the friars (Mass intentions).

    Total occupation and the submission of the locals is the aim. But at least with past foreign invaders, since they wore different uniforms, they could be recognized and resisted. Not so the Neos. Watch for the New Jersey mob to show up soon.

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  19. Tim is correct. The archbishop, guided by neo, still wishes to remove all the religious orders from Guam. But Apuron knows he cannot do this. But he did attempt to shut down the friary. The neo want the property of these orders . Thank God the properties are owned by the orders not the archdiocese. But yes Tim is correct.

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  20. March 9 1136pm. Correct that was the plan. But it's only now Guam is beginning to wake up and see. You guys need to take Tim seriously. If you don't , people of Guam, you are all finished in ten years.

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  21. Diana or what ever the name assigned a seminarian to take care of the blog for the seminarians pastoral experience. At least mr Rohr devotes his precious time to his page by writing his own articles.

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    1. Probably under the tutelage of Father Francis Walsh!

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  22. Has anyone noticed that on the Archdiocese of Agana website, the Neo have an exclusive link separate from the other "Groups, Ecclesial Realities and Organizations" link?
    Does anyone now want to deny that a takeover is in play?

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  23. Oleg, email JungleWatch.info@gmail.com to discuss your last comment.

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  24. I have it on good authority(someone that was there when the seminarians are assigned) that Kiko and his team decides who goes where.

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  25. On the other 10 seminarians from other dioceses, can someone confirm that their dioceses in fact pay for their stay and formation at the RMS in Guam? I don't think so. For example, I know that some of our Guam boys have been sent to other RMS elsewhere(Miami comes to mind) and I do not think that Guam pays for their education there. And if we do, why? Because Kiko and company told Apuron to send them elsewhere because they are need elsewhere? So, in addition to paying for 29 that are not from here, we are paying for Guam boys that we sent elsewhere to be formed? How ludicrous is this?

    Another question: why has Apuron accepted the other 10 to be formed here? Isn't it expensive enough to take care of 29, let alone 39? I mean, we already can't afford to maintain 29, why add more? There seems to be absolutely NO ACCOUNTING on where monies come and go, and when that happens, abuses are prone to happen.

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    1. You are right about the accounting. But there never will be any unless we demand it. We're planning to do that but we are going to need real names and real faces when it comes to that.

      As regards the other 10 seminarians, 9 of those are from other Pacific islands, but one is from Dallas. This is curious, why is he here. Was he not accepted at much closer seminaries: Denver, D.C., Newark, Boston? Or does he just dig living on an island all-expenses paid?

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    2. Janet B - MangilaoMarch 10, 2014 at 3:59 PM

      You will never get any kind of response from the Three Stooges on the Hill. But here is what we do know. We have 29 seminarians, that if they are ordained will belong to the Archbishop, so he can send them anywhere in the world he chooses to send them. Yes this seems utterly stupid since we have a shortage of priests here, but that is the way it is.
      We have 10 seminarians studying here who, when they are ordained will belong to a benevolent Bishop in Samoa, Dallas, or the Solomon Islands. Tony says they are paying their own way, which by his records should be about $25,000 per year, or $250,000 for the 10 of them. I highly doubt this is true because nothing Tony says lately is true unless it serves his peculiar purpose. So in reality, we are probably paying for the formation of priests for other diocese, but we won't know because Tony refuses to be transparent about anything.
      Regarding Guam boys sent off to other RMS seminaries, we will never see them again, unless they come home for vacation. When they are ordained they will belong to the bishop where they are at. In the case of James Arriola, he is in Florida and if ordained will belong to the Bishop of Miami. I personally doubt that Guam is paying for his formation because it makes absolutely no sense...oops, I forgot, nothing is supposed to make sense...it is a Neo-Kiko mystery.
      And then we have one seminarian in Malojloj who costs $66,000 to feed.
      Wow...is our Archdiocese messed up or what?

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    3. There is an RMS in Dallas too. It is or was co-located with the diocesan seminary there. But seminarians are sent out during a "Merkaba Convivence". Essentially, where they go is determined by lot. By chance.

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    4. Wow. Then the bishop should take up gambling. He's got a lucky streak going if by chance we get 23 times more seminarians than a place like Boston. So a guy from Dallas doesn't go to the seminary in Dallas even though he is being formed for Dallas. Yep. More neo-think.

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  26. Janet 359pm. You are correct in your comment this afternoon.
    The seminarians for the Solomon island dioceses are paid for by Guam. Did not understand what you meant by the one who needs 66,000

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  27. Janet. Most days for my lunch I eat foie gras by volume, it does not cost me $66,000 to have it sent in to eat. So what is this seminarian eating.

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  28. The RMS website now says : this website has expired

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