Friday, July 4, 2014

SO THE ARCHBISHOP WANTS TO "MEET"

Here's a record of some meetings with Archbishop Apuron. 

In October of 2009, Archbishop Apuron called a meeting with senators to discuss the legalization of same-sex unions. The meeting ended with the Archbishop running away from the press and the senators holding a letter from him insinuating that homosexuals should be put to death. The letter became famous. Google "Apuron" and "homosexual" and see titles such as "Archbishop Apuron looks to the Taliban for inspiration." Despite the horrid outcome of the meeting, an outcome that split Guam even further, Apuron called the meeting fruitful

In 2010, the pain in this Archdiocese between the Archbishop and many members of the clergy had grown so severe, that a special multi-day meeting was called for and experts on clerical disunity were called in from Georgetown University's Center for Applied Research. The meeting produced a very expensive 69 page study entitled Cultivating Unity: Research Findings. A Report for the Clergy of the Archdiocese of Agana. The report recommend several courses of action to restore unity between the Archbishop and the disaffected members of the clergy. The Archbishop's actions? You guessed it. NOTHING. Not only was this another ruse and a waste of time and money, it allowed the Archbishop to say he tried and then disabuse the disaffected priests even further. Another fruitful meeting. 

In 2011, the Archbishop called for a meeting with the Archdiocesan Finance Council whose approval he needed to give away the multi-million dollar Yona property occupied by the Redemptoris Mater Seminary to the Neocatechumenal Way-controlled corporate entity that controls the seminary. When four of the five members voted NO as per the recommendation of the archdiocesan legal counsel, all four, even though they had served the Archbishop cumulatively for more than fifty years, were fired! Another fruitful meeting.

In July of 2013, Fr. Paul Gofigan was called to a meeting with the Archbishop at his office. Little did Fr. Paul know that the meeting was an ambush. At the meeting, the Archbishop demanded Fr. Paul's resignation as pastor of Santa Barbara parish, threatened him with a "more arduous and painful closure to his assignment as pastor" if he did not resign, and had the locks changed on Fr. Paul's office while Fr. Paul was still at the meeting. In addition Fr. Paul was left homeless by being ordered to vacate the rectory, stripped of his ability to say Mass, and his firing was announced at all the Masses the following Sunday. It didn't matter that Canon Law (church law) prohibited the Archbishop from treating Fr. Paul this way. The Archbishop believes himself to be his own law. Another fruitful meeting. 

In October of 2013, at a clergy retreat in the Philippines, members of the clergy gathered for a meeting to hear a few words from the Archbishop. Given that it was a retreat, the clergy expected to hear some encouraging and spiritual words from their high priest. Instead, the Archbishop launched into an attack on Fr. Paul, implying that he was in a homosexual relationship with a parishioner and accusing him of secretly building a stairway to his second floor bedroom for the purposes of facilitating night-long homosexual orgies. It didn't matter that none of it was true. The Archbishop wanted it to be true so he could further destroy Fr. Paul, and he used the occasion of the clergy retreat to do so. Another fruitful meeting. 

In January of 2014, after Fr. Paul had publicly complained about the Archbishop's trashing of his person and that of the other man named who was a married man with two children, the Archbishop called Fr. Paul to a private meeting held at a neutral location. Given the location and the nature of the invite, Fr. Paul was under the impression that the Archbishop was ready to reconcile if only for the good of the diocese. Instead, Fr. Paul was ordered to "cool it" and to let the "canonical process take its course" ( a reference to the canon law suit brought against the Archbishop by Fr. Paul). In other words, rather than reconcile, Fr. Paul was ordered to cool it and shut up. Another fruitful meeting. 

Archbishop, I do not know who the people with the money are behind the ad demanding that you do what every other bishop in the United States if not the world has done or is now doing. I don't know and I don't care. I don't care because I have already called publicly for the same thing on this blog several months ago. But since I am nobody to you, my call didn't matter. But now that your name is in the paper, you care. But you care only that your name is in the paper, not that you owe the people of this archdiocese an accounting of your actions with assets that you are entrusted with. 

And rather than respond responsibly as the rest of the world's bishops have seen fit to do, you mock that request and say "let's meet". Right. You mean like your meeting with the legislature in 2009? Like your meeting with the clergy in 2010? Like your meeting with the finance council in 2011? Like your meeting with Fr. Paul in 2013? Like your retreat meeting in 2013? Like your "cool it" meeting in 2014?

You are hiding, Archbishop. And you have just admitted it to the world. 

NOTE: To read about the January 2006 meeting where in the presence of the Archbishop, Fr. Mike Crisostomo, myself, and others were gathered and asked to come up with a lie to cover for the Archbishop's public trashing of a Vatican directive, the Cursillo Movement, and our traditional Catholic faith in general, go here.

111 comments:

  1. and the king will fall.

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  2. Catholics UnitedJuly 4, 2014 at 8:06 AM

    Best to resign Archbishop than to experience a more arduous and painful closure to your assignment at the Diocese....

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    1. Retire archbishop and you retire clean.

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    2. Retire clean? What about conscience? But he can retire. Archbishop, what the heck, keep the 70,000.00 Equus. It was a gift!!

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    3. Say, Diana, thought Junglewatch was dead in the water or FROZEN?? PDN got unstuck tooo. Things are going fine now. Thanks for your concern.

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    4. Archbishop would serve himself well if he offered his resignation.

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    5. For all I care he can keep the euros. Just want healing and unity on Guam. No healing no unity why he remains as the archbishop. Spry. He has damaged so many of us he must leave now.

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    6. Lord have mercy where is all this leading.

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  3. According to "Diana," the Archbishop's prolonged silence had been because he was following the example of Our Lord during His Passion. Now that the Archbishop has "responded" by "inviting" Concerned Catholics of Guam to a meeting, I'm guessing "Diana" will claim that the Archbishop is following Our Lord's model of responding to Pilate.

    I'm surprised that the January 2006 meeting wasn't included in this list — maybe because it wasn't as "fruitful" as he had hoped it would be? I also noticed that the Archbishop did not call any "fruitful" meetings in 2012, but did call two in 2013,so it still averages out to one "fruitful" meeting per year. I guess he wants to try and break his current record since he already had a "fruitful" meeting in January with Fr. Paul.

    BTW: "Diana" will take grievous offense to the constant use of the word "fruitful" in this post and will probably accuse you of "mocking" the Archbishop. Be afraid, be very afraid, Tim — LOL!

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    1. Neo slogan....( one of them ). ... LOOK AT THE FRUITS, LOOK AT THE FRUITS, LOOK AT THE FRUITS!

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    2. Fruits bad fruits . Look at the disunity in our church. It is caused by three people.

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  4. Priests abused as seminarians on Guam.

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    1. Been long suspected 9.37am.

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    2. Worrying . Sickening.

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    3. Archdiocese of Agana Guam is prevented from growth until Archbishop Anthony Sablan Apuron leaves office. A divided archdiocese where healing is needed to restore unity. Believe 9. 37am is a central fact and until there is an apostolic visitation into the Metropolitian Archdiocese of Agana Guam USA the archdiocese cannot resolve the serious moral and financial challenges it faces. I am a priest.

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    4. Wow blew me over. 10.46am.

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    5. Persecution.

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    6. God help us.

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    7. Agree 10.46am. Looking into the possibility of a pdn open letter to pope Francis.

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    8. In st. Patrick's Diana would call the seminary a pink palace.

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    9. Priests on Guam also need healing from abuses suffered when they were seminarians.

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  5. Archbishop plan a clean exit and you will be ok. Retire early and leave clean. To stay now will be disaster for this church. Please.

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  6. Apostolic visitation into the archdiocese .

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  7. Archbishop act fast before your name appears in the paper for other matters.

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    1. Quickly, Think fast. What does Pius advise? Have you heard from Kiko? Will you have to face that coarse woman, Carmen? Watch out, she' ll beat you with her fists. Hard to face all this Archbishop, when you are jet lagged!

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    2. Coarse great word. Woman has no class at all. Mass follows mass not mass follows class in this case.

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    3. Other matter? What other matters?

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  8. I remembered meeting with Archbishop Flores on a matter of some importance regarding a diocese. He had it resolved expeditiously and fairly. I remembered meeting with archbishop apuron on a personal matter. What a WASTE of time. His response: nothing.

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    1. 10.25am exactly. When problems relating to the diocese of Chalan Kanoa were reported to him he caused even greater problems. May be someone else.

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    2. Puts on a certain facial expression and you know right away what will happen. NADA.

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    3. " Let the truth Prevail."

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  9. Remember the letter about homosexuals just re read letter to remind . It was shocking. No one I know in 2010 would write like that. May be in fairness archbishop did not write that letter but he signed it and allowed it to go out. That is bad enough. Encourage readers tomre open this letter.

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    1. Shocking and extremely embarrassing to us in Agana Archdiocese. On the WORLDWIDE WEB. ARCHBISHOP, WHAT A SHAME YOU ARE TO YOUR OFFICE. didn't anyone ever call you on your utterly stupid comment??

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    2. Many letters signed by archbishop Apuron have abused human rights. The human rights abuses of this archbishop and his friends are also of concern. human rights abuses are of concern.

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    3. Google letter follow the leads into the gay pages and you will learn.

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    4. Apostolic visitation .

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    5. Anon 11:54 …Tried your suggestion … got nowhere. Can you please be more specific? LInks?

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  10. Archbishop implying Fr. Paul was in a homosexual relationship with a married man iis not only sickening but evil. It manifests how this archbishop has worked for many years. Fr. Cristobal has seemed to feed all this since his days as rector of the cathedral when he lived with all those cats around .

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    1. Next book title: the Mystery of Princess Di and all Her Cats

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    2. The smell of the cats would fill a chapter and the smell in the sala and kitchen . Where the throne of the vocation director was in those days. Pots flying nuns crying. A book for sure. May be a movie. princess Di her cats and her queens.!

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    3. Just saw the trailer for the movie in my HEAD....omg I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

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    4. Diana Vreeland may be a more worthy description. Miss Vreeland would not like cats but many other things in common. Both loved money.

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    5. Googled miss Diana Vreeland great entertainment for July 4th weekend. Guys google miss Vreeland . miss Diana Vreelamd on Guam. Haha

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    6. I did too.....what a riot!

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    7. Trailer or trailer trash.

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    8. Did Diana take ballet? What else in common?

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    9. Vogue always did stand for people's lives.i mean, a new dress, does'int get you anywhere. It's the life your living in the dress, and the sort of life you lived before and what you will do in it later. Diana Vreeland former editor of vogue.

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    10. Diana in a pink Tutu. Prancing around Barrigada preaching we are being ridiculed, persecuted, scandalized, and whatnot. Put your clerics on go to work and do your job.

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    11. My God is a Diana Vreeland leading this archdiocese.

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    12. Diana Vreeland leads archdiocese in a pink tutu.

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    13. Wanna be leader....just one head of a three headed monster.

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    14. Remember the dress he wore in St. Patrick's

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  11. Homosexuality is key word . homosexuality in 1990 Guam.

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  12. When the Rector Magnificent visited the Seminary....for a good reason...the Archbishop preached the homily at the Cathedral. The theme was AAA. He said he still belongs to the Capuchins and can return there when he retires. Think they want him back? Sooner than later? Pizza

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    1. Arcbisnop weakland is 87. He just requested permission to return to his monastery to end his life. The community refused his request.

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    2. gay sub culture did exist when Fr. Cristonal was vocations director.

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    3. Weakland was the Abbot Primate...of the world. What a fall from Grace. AAA won't have that far to fall.

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    4. Problem is weaklands friend who was a seminarian in st. Patrick's has been linked to Guam and Saipan. Something much bigger operated in Guam between 1985 and 1995. Past two years it has been observed. Apostolic visitation is a must.

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    5. Researched R. weakland. Says he paid half a million USD to silence a seminarian in St. Patrick's seminary. He was Abbot primate in Rome. Retired and went into a life of prayer at the request of the Vatican.

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    6. Caps had problems too. One young guy recently gone after his profession, is now in your face on FB with his boyfriend their luxury apt. And their LUXURY HANDBAGS. Love the bags. Screening. Discernment. From brown robe and rope to Louis Vuitton , what a ride. Don't know how many times I have to say it.....DO THE SCREENING. OPEN YOUR EYES.

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    7. Milwaukee paid a lot of shekels to this guy. Checks signed by arch Weakland.

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    8. Archbishop Dolan was merciful to Weakland. Seminarian was an adult. Love letters were published. But we don't have time for that trash now. focus! Finance Report.

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  13. H O M O S E X U A L I T Y.

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    1. Homosexuality or Heterosexuality are not and should not be an issue in the Priesthood, as long as a priest keeps his vow of celibacy.
      No matter the attraction, the fact that a priest who has taken that vow, keeps it and abides by it, makes the issue de facto mute.

      On the other hand a priest no matter his tendencies who acts up on them and choose to ignore his vows :
      A) breaks the trust given to him
      B) abides by a double standard, and therefore should resign
      C) by his actions finds himself in a state of constant sin: lying, sexual impropriety , breaking of vows.

      It is a matter of honesty and sincerity, (morals) not sexuality...

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    2. Good answer 12.34am.

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  14. Exit strategy ABAA:

    Stand up for itinerancy Archbishop and just leave. It will be great headlines, "Former Archbishop of Guam renounces all comforts and goes to China to evangelize." Your pals in the NCW will take care of you sir.

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    1. Damaged goods. A MOVEMENT IN THE CHURCH approved of and heartily supported by five POPES won't let him drag them down. He can still get a house cheap in Vegas. He likes it there. Just GO. Just think of all the young people and the example you are showing.

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    2. 12:05 PM. He bought a house in Vegas 2001 and sold it in Dec. 2013. Archbishop Apuron, this house is not under the jurisdiction of the Archdiocese of Agana. It is a personal property. Did you file your taxes with the Dept of Rev and Tax? This is a personal income to your pocket and you need to file because it is not church related. Did you file a 1040 and include this income?

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    3. Poor brother TON gonna be awkward with the Agana Community. Hope you don't get carried away and spill any beans in the sharing. Dumb move joining up, Arch A Bishop. What will your responsibles say?? Woohoo.

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    4. Archbishop is associated with this neo. What does this tell us about the internal neo . Is there more than just bad liturgical practice and theology. Is there something much deeper in operation here. Is it like the legion of Christ and their founder. We must look at what is going on here. What is the bottom line now at play. Is money lies sex power position in Rome formed in a pacific paradise. What is going on. Concerned Catholics we need to know.

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    5. Vegas be good retirement place for him. He can play the slot machines all day.

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    6. Posts are leading to the truth.

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    7. Resign and leave on a high Archbishop.

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    8. Wow so he had a house in Vegas . My god in the age of pope Francis I find this astounding. He speaks of poverty and has house on Huam and had one in Vegas. Concerned Catholics look closer. What else is he not being honest about. Double life. Look closer.

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    9. Personal income needs to be filed. It is taxable sorry.

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    10. Archbishop Diana wants to have fortitude during the Persecution. Listen brothers and sisters. And to the brothers and sisters of JW -- keep commenting...maybe something will get thru.

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    11. Fortitude in persecution. What about those who for twenty years every day have suffered because of Guam leadership. His so called persecution is nothing to the daily mental anguish caused by this chancery . Twenty years of suffering archbishop because of your leadership. What you allowed. You sent us away not once but twice.

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    12. For what purpose would he keep a house in Vegas for ten years.?

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  15. Thirty seven comments and only lunch time on July 4th. A lot of interest .

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    1. Junglewatch is frozen ....Diana said it is FROZEN. STOP THIS RIGHT NOW. IT IS FROZEN, I SAY, FROZEN! Diana, calm down . Smoke a butt.

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  16. Well said 11.56am. One major concern. His income would be lower as he would be unable to use diocesan money. However, he will have enough capital to to support his itineracy and kiko and Carmen will invite him into their home . he still have a good life .

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    1. Kiko and Carmen have a home together? This story is getting funnier, and funnier. How about Pius and the Tall Woman, Pat? Always together. ????? Diana, if you have time, can you post about this matter? Thanks, know YOUR busy. ; )

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    2. Diana what you doing today. New name is Diana Vreeland.

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    3. Yes how is Diana spending fourth of July?

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    4. Diana is playing with FIRE crackers.

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  17. Catholics UnitedJuly 4, 2014 at 12:38 PM

    Can't wait to see how much the Archdiocese has subsidized the special interests of The Neocatechumenal Way and other parties as well. Guam is a focal point of Church history this week but sadly it's for nothing that is good.

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    1. That will truly be a POI. Other dioceses ask the same about their rms seminary. Who pays health coverage? Who pay world wide travel? Who pays immigration lawyers? Who pays for traveling profs, GTA, GWA, cars, gas, clothes, food. Hair cuts, suits, shoes, cigarettes, on and on. Well, hopefully, we will soon see.

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    2. Its in the Umatuna. The neo seminary gets 20% and the non-neo seminary gets 100%.

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    3. Catholics UnitedJuly 4, 2014 at 3:45 PM

      @ 2:44pm

      The Archbishop has spoken on many ordinations that the diocese has paid and is paying the airfare for the families of the ordained to fly in for the ordinations.

      Further the Archbishop always flies out with the new priest to their country of orgin so that the priest will say his first mass there, where ever it may be, Hawaii, Italy, Poland, South America.

      The Archbishop really knows how to jet set an after party!!


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    4. Who pays for the travel of the archbishop to fly around the world,to,these ordinations. Who pays the hotel bills. And what has he done for Guam. Nothing. Flores built this archdiocese this man has bused it and continues to drain resources . When the hell will it stop archbishop, only when you leave will peace be found in Agana.

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    5. What are special interests of neo.

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    6. Amen. 4.16pm.

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    7. @ 6:12,

      Find out the facts on this blog...check out the tabs. The neo leaders want it all, and they will lie, cheat and steal if they have too.

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  18. Why would archbishop state Gay men should be put to death. This is clearly stated in his 2010 letter . The Roman catholic Church does not say Gay men should be put to death. The catholic church teaches only the homosexual act is a sin not the person. Why does the Arcbishop state Gay men should be put to death. He is like hitler in this letter.

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    1. Amen 1.35pm.

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    2. Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

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  19. Who lives with who is now the question. Is the neo covering up gay relationships. Looking into this.

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  20. Diana, Diana, Diana, Courage because we are being ridiculed, taunted, and scandalized by others????? Really?? You don't care for the comments or the request for accountability to the people of the Church of Agana? So sorry. Show us the report, please. Then we will look for the truth about some injustices you have ignorantly perpetrated upon us. Mention the request for finance report to Archbisop at the office on Monday at coffee and donuts.

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    1. Maybe Diane ain't concern cuz she don't see any church being closed down and more priests being ordained.

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    2. 2:46 pm.....what ru imbibing at ur 4th of July party??? What do u mean?

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    3. We demand the financials of our archdiocese.

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    4. I believe the archdiocese of Agana is now in substantial debt. Please may the people of God who make up the church of Guam see the audit. We are not asking for much. We only wish to be aware of the true financial status of this archdiocese in the light of the r m seminary. We have a right to know the truth.

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  21. The archdiocese will only get worse why the archbishop remains in office with Fr. Cristobal.

    They both should leave Guam because they are the cause of Disunity.

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  22. Archbishop has lost trust of so many . Best he resign.

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  23. Sense deeper concerns over this archbishop . Certainly not to be trusted with money.

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  24. Apostolic visitation now urgent.

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  25. No trust in the catholic church on Guam after reading these posts.

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  26. Diana is in the rectory obviously not concerned about junglewatch.

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  27. At end of the day 102 comments. Huge interest in this story.

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  28. Archbishop resign. No longer trusted. Please resign.

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