Monday, March 23, 2015

A BIG, HUGE LOL!

March 19: "Sexual Abuse Response Coordinator Deacon Larry Claros told Variety yesterday that he would not be involved in the incident."

March 20: "A statement has been made and the statement stands,” Claros said. 

March 23: "In response to the report, Archdiocese of Agana's Sexual Abuse Response Coordinator Deacon Larry Claros told KUAM that, 'a canonical investigation is underway and I have done my part as the SARC in coordinating the investigation. It now lies with the Attorney General's office.'"

Aside from the fact that Deacon Claros will not be involved and then he is involved,  it does NOT now "lie with the Attorney General's office."

It LIES with Archbishop Apuron.

This is really MAJOR SICK!

You mean to tell us that Archbishop Apuron is going to hide behind the Attorney General? WTH?



Here, Archbishop, let me help you out.
  • Sexual contact is not a crime between two people above the age of consent in which both parties consent.
  • Therefore, if there was sexual contact, and both parties consented, there is no charge and there is no crime.
  • Fr. Luis was arrested for what the police believed to be custodial interference.
  • However, if the parents say he was authorized to pick up their daughter then there will be no charge and no crime.
  • End of story on the civil side.
  • That leaves only YOU, Archbishop. 
  • Only YOU can tell us why you accepted Fr. Luis' resignation.
  • Only YOU can tell us why you convened a canonical investigation.
  • And since Claros now tell us he coordinated the investigation - denoting that this was an investigation into sexual misconduct - only YOU can tell us whether it involved sexual misconduct or not.
  • Only YOU, Archbishop. Only YOU.

What? 

You're going to give us the silent treatment again?

Yes you are.

Because that is what Claros meant when he said "it lies with the office of the AG". 

Well, we know this for sure. The Apostolic Visitors were quite neutral about most of what was presented to them. But they were NOT neutral about clerical sexual misconduct. 

So go ahead. Hide behind the AG. Give us the silent treatment. That's EXACTLY what we want Rome to see. And we will make sure they see it.

For those who care about the hell this archdiocese has turned into, there will be a prayer rally in front of the Cathedral this Wednesday at 4:30. And it will be the first of many.

The time to stand up and be counted is here. Right here. Right now. Bring your rosaries, you know, that beaded thing that your neo-"priests" call "nonsense".


35 comments:

  1. The Vortex-Expose It All! 3/23/15 by Michael Voris hits home. We are not alone in fighting the forces of evil in the Catholic Church. St. Michael pray for us, guide us, and protect us in battle.

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  2. Lies with the attorney general???? In the civil aspect yes. what is the church doing regarding the fact that Fr. Louis engaged himself in a sexual activity with a minor?

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  3. We need SNAP back on island.

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    1. I think SNAP has already picked up the story. They have commented on KUAM latest online report and left contact information for our people.

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    2. if you are a victim of sexual abuse on Guam in need of healing please contact the west coast chapter of SNAP.

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  4. SNAP left contact info and call out for other abuse victims on kuam comments for this story

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  5. He lies and it lies on someone else..

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  6. AAA can start singing some songs by the Platters..Only You, Smoke Gets In Your Lies, and yes you are The Great Pretender

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  7. " All good things" sing along. " All good things"

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  8. According to sources Luis was holding something NCW call a "convivence" meeting. Convivence meeting was taking place in the car near ocean. Something like spiritual direction which is part of the girls formation. However, very strange place to hold spiritual direction.

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    1. YEAH, one hot convivence with the car moving!

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    2. Was it really spiritual irection?

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  9. And what if a sexual relationship started when she was sixteen?

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  10. 11.29am. This is why details are being collected. When did the relationship begin? Was it prior to ordination. In this case Raises possible question of invalid ordination since Luis could not have been in right intention to receive Holy Orders. In which case marriages, Sacrament conducted by him need to be studied to determine the validity of the Sacrament. What happened in the car not important to us. Importance are the sacraments Luis administered, his intention at ordination. how long has be not been following requirements of priesthood. nightmare of implications for the church now. All because Apuron allowed this on Guam. very serious implications now for Guam.

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    1. While the validity of his ordination could be questioned, the validity of the sacraments he administered cannot be, for the same reason children of parents who have their marriage annuled are not considered illegitimate.

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    2. I tend to agree to a point, One of the requirements for the reception of the Sacraments is one to be in a "State of Grace" Had he been in a relationship prior to and up to his ordination would lead one to question the validity of the ordination. There is also the requirement that the Sacraments be administered by a validly ordained priest, hence the question of the validity of the Sacraments.

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  11. Word is relationships going on as a seminarian during ordination. Should this ever be true invalidates the ordination since the intention to receive Holy Orders is not being received in accordance with the intention of the church. Sacrament is based on intention.
    Absolute night mare Tim, should CDF request to investigate this case.it could take a couple of years to study. At same time raises questions about priestly formation Luis received. I mean we are talking of less than two years since he was ordained.
    Another alarming thing here is the question of mentoring. post ordination mentoring for priests. I have been researching. priests of Guam are saying post ordination from the hands of Anthony Apuron there is no monitoring or spiritual guidance. some even made pastors on ordination day. Very alarming stories are surfacing

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    1. Good enough they ARE surfacing. Enough.

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    2. Holy Week in Rome. Not much happens in Rome until the FALL....

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    3. 6.50pm not true. Many meetings take place holy week in Rome. Vatican goes quiter late June to October. However even this not always correct with pope Francis . pope Francis creates his own work plans unknown to offices.

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  12. We must demand a moratorium on ordinations from rms at this time until Rome can investigate the curriculum and spiritual/psychological teachings of this pseudo seminary

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  13. Very good point 4.36pm moratorium on ordinations from RMS.

    Pope Francis is ordered a moratorium on ordinations in a south amerićan diocese last year.

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  14. Thank God, Finally someone JOINS my continual call for MORATORIUM on ordinations from RMS. NOW. Thank you, 4:36.

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    1. I believe it was chuck white who first mentioned moratorium on rms ordinations. But with information overload I may be wrong.

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  15. Does anyone know where Claros works?

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    1. BANK OF HAWAII and believe he is hiding in the BANK's VAULT.

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  16. Moratorium on ordinations from Guam rsm seminary is urgent and wise, just and right. Yet when you have a puppet bushop who does his bidding from an outside source obsessed with numbers, our calls for moratorium are largely ignored. That, dear Watson, is our dilemma.

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  17. mmmm??? a teacher with a high school girl.....a priest with a high school girl.....one gets caught red handed via e-media the other caught red handed in car by police. One gets put in jail the other gets to travel to the holy land. Very disturbing application of law.


    charged the other gets a free travel adventure to the holy land...something's very very wrong with this picture.

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  18. Soooo, Luis the stud is going to be in the holy Land with all the rabbis, Cardianals, bishops and throngs. Music, food, mixing with hierarchy. By the way, how's the Canonical investigation going? Hmmmmm?

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    1. It's not. Of course. He's forever on our payroll though.

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  19. Mary Lou Garcia--PeredaMay 12, 2015 at 12:43 PM

    Anonymous (May 12, 2015 at 10:34 AM) while I am very dissatisfied with how the case of presbyter Luis Camacho has been handled — or more accurately NOT handled — per the Archdiocese of Agana's Sexual Abuse Policy, it appears that you are actually comparing apples and oranges.

    Granted, as you pointed out, both the teacher and the presbyter were "caught with a high school girl." News reports have indicated that both girls were 17, above the "age of consent," per Guam's law. The reason the teacher is in jail is because, per KUAM, he has been charged with (1) dissemination of child pornography as a first degree felony, (2) possession of child pornography as a second degree felony, and (3) indecent electronic display to a child as a third degree felony. He was also charged with several misdemeanors but it is the felonies that resulted in his confinement. It was not the sexual act but rather the transmission of the recording of the act that is the real issue. Questions have been raised as to whether the teacher actually sent the recording but that is a whole other issue.

    The only thing that the two cases of the teacher and the presbyter have in common is the age of the high school girls who were both reported to be 17 years old.

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    1. Why can't the girl consent to the distribution of the photos? Crazy. She's old enough to consent to sex but not to the sharing of pictures of her having sex.

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    2. Also, the teacher was charged with child abuse.

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    3. Mary Lou Garcia-PeredaMay 12, 2015 at 3:47 PM

      Tim at 3:16 PM, from what I understand, according to the Federal Law on Child Pornography the Age of Consent in the state/territory doesn't matter. The fact that she — or any individual, male of female — is under 18 years old is what determines the "child" in Child Pornography and I don't think Guam can pass a law allowing an individual under the age of majority to share such images.

      And, as your 3:17 PM comment indicated, the teacher was charged with child abuse as well as official misconduct as misdemeanors. I'm guessing that without the felony charges he might have been confined since he is a male and the student was a female. When a similar thing happens between a female teacher and a male student (in terms of consensual sexual activity) the female is rarely subjected to the same treatment, thanks to the double standard in matters like this.

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