Tuesday, March 10, 2015


On December 5, 2013, I posted the following under the post title: WHO SAID THIS?

(Said to the girls present):  
"Watch for men, they will say anything to get you and then they will treat you like an orange. They will suck all the sweet juice out of you and when there is no more juice left and you are dry they will spit you out and throw you away." 
I then added:
I think I'll reserve my comments for something good later. 
Well "later" has arrived, and it's time for some comments.

Fr. "O.J.", as he has come to be called after it became known that this was his comment, gives a shockingly diseased view of the dark underbelly of Kiko's voracious vocations machine.

As noted elsewhere on this blog, in the clerical world, vocations, specifically the quantity of vocations, is the ticket to the next "hat". Bishops whose dioceses have a growing number of vocations are viewed as leaders worthy of advancement in the world of church leadership, if only in title. 

Kiko Arguello knew that in order for his new church to grow long term, he would need a cadre of bishops who would be beholden to him. And in order to make them beholden to him he needed to give them what they needed to advance: vocations - priests and nuns.

Thus for years he has set out to do what no other lay religious movement has set out to do: set up his own seminaries and convents so as to mass-produce the currency so badly needed by bishops desirous of their own advancement but who were too lazy or inept to produce their own.

We see this played out at every major Kiko-event. Kiko puts out an evangelical-pastor-like altar-call for vocations to the already emotionally whipped-up youth, and they come forward to be counted by their prophet who then sorts them into his network of vocation machines where they will be molded and folded, stamped and stapled into nice little packages of Kiko-currency ready for delivery to numbers-hungry bishops. 

The problems with this are many. But here are two major ones. 

One is that the normal years-long process of discernment and vocational vetting is now whittled down into an emotional minute where one is swept Pied Piper-like into the stream of the thing, only to wake up - maybe years later - in an unrecognizable life. 

The other is the default second-class status which befalls anyone who doesn't go forward, as if marriage and child-rearing is for the weak, the lesser among us, the unholy. 

Fr. O.J.'s words show us both problems. 

Guys talk like this when they seek to assuage the pain of psycho-sexual frustration. It's a form of psychological masturbation, a mental satiation of gaping, angry hormones. (Going to talk bluntly here.) It's normal bar talk for "old men with broken teeth stranded without love", as Bob Dylan sang of them.

But bar talk is off limits to guys like Fr. O.J., so they mask what is otherwise guttural sexual grunting with thinly veiled fake noble causes. Thus Fr. O.J. pretends his real aim is to protect women. In so doing, he fashions himself the poor maidens' knight, all chivalrous in his clerics and ghetto-tough words, and well-perched upon his own high-horse, he sallies forth to slay the filthy penis-brain dragons who would suck the juice out of his helpless maidens and spit them out when they are dry. 

Oh bravo, bravo, Sir O.J., Bravo!

This is what happens when you mass produce vocations and to hell with the psychological screening and other sound and normal avenues of vetting. You get psycho-sexually imbalanced guys with access to pulpits where they can bully and whip and damage and use the psyches of vulnerable little ones to gratify a never properly addressed sexual rage, however temporary. 

On the flip side, we have normal young men and women whose bodies are telling them to do exactly what God made them to do: find a mate for life and bring new life into the world, more souls for God to love. 

But the Kiko-demand for "currency", for numbers of priests and nuns for Kiko's parade, stretches the psyche of those who would otherwise marry and discards them into a limbo, a sterile no-man's land of para-clerics and para-nuns who cannot bring themselves to the "second-class" life of marriage and family nor can they respond to the call of the religious life because they simply don't have one. 

Girls who would otherwise normally seek a mate are made to fear and hate by the likes of a Fr. O.J., and they shrink into little Kiko-made boxes while their whole being continues to cry out for what God made them for: for life, for love, for a man, for children, for a sacramental sexual union where God - who is a community of persons - is most wholly imaged and worshiped and where "this is my body this is my blood" is ennobled and enfleshed in the two become one. 

Men are NOT what Fr. O.J. says they are. After thirty years of marriage and eleven children I can say that, with the grace of God flowing through the sacrament of marriage, men are what women love and pray them into being. Sadly, thanks to Kiko and Kiko-products like Fr. O.J., it is men who would otherwise be husbands who will be sucked dry and spit out, and women who would otherwise be wives, left to twist and burn. 

And so they do. 


  1. Perhaps they need, "shelter from the storm" because I think it is coming and Times are a changin' thanks be to God.

  2. Shudder to think what we yet have to undergo to be free nd peacful again.

  3. Amen. Tim Thank you for this logical and profound explanation, we are humbled by your wisdom and inspired by your walk in faith with your wife. In our world today, it is evident that the importance of divine order is seemingly of little value to some and the idea of holy matrimony and procreation is just as insignificant to many. My incredible husband and I thank you and your wife for the affirmation through your role modeling to follow God's divine order with all our might. We hope and pray our children will learn and apply these essential tools into their lives while they grow, know, love and serve our Lord. This is the primary reason we really want the NCW to just leave Guam. We have young children and do not want them to be forced to worship differently from the rest of the Catholics through out the world or to simply think Catholicsm has changed. Our doctrine and dogma IS the fabric of our lives (it's not cotton) and likely even more so for our culture on Guam because Espana made sure of it during the time of Father San Vitores and the Jesuits. Our ancestors on Guam (who btw friends, originated from South East Asia-so not from here lol) were taught to center our customs/culture around Catholicism. Known today by many as Kustumbren Chammorro. We enjoy the sanctity and peace in our beloved church and practicing our faith as we were taught by our parents and grandparents.

  4. Yes, a very well put argument. There is a corollary distortion in the NCW - evidenced by the interference of catechists and other "leaders" in marriages; evidenced by the emphasis on "how many children do you have" (and the accompanying (sometimes metaphorical) hisses or applause); evidenced by Kiko's comments about the "mullets" - sending young girls to China to "catch" the men. This is a sickness, that comes from sick minds, and is pleased to bring other people into the same sickness. Like virtually everything in the NCW, distortion of the truth is the main operation.

    1. Perfect example of group insanity. Kiko and Carmen the delusional NCW leaders followed by others lured into their delusional and fanatical cult.

  5. Well-put, Mr. Rohr. A vocation to the priesthood, the religious life, single blessedness and married life is precious and unique. One cannot churn "products" simply as part of a factory conveyor belt (rms) but one nurtures one's calling through years of mentorship, preparation and dynamic learning both through mistakes and reflection. How dare ncw rush this process in order to web a deceitful relationship with unworthy and greedy bishops. Sadly, the Vatican has bought into this horrid vocation multiplier despite the dangers to community and individual. This assembly of factory presbyters bring lasting harm to the Catholic community. Numbers alone do not account for success, but the quality of how we as a community nurtures those discerning genuine calls to serve God as a priest or as a nun. We might have a drought of local vocations but God provides, so we ought to care for (not only through blog comments or rhetoric) our local boys and girls who express possibility of being called to life of service of God. How are we sincerely helping those with vocations- and, seriously, how much do we know our seminarians at JPII in Malojloj? Perhaps this Lenten season calls us to engage them and their parents more on how we can support them in action. What are their struggles in view of this extended battle wherein ncw and apuron are obstinately hanging on to a crumbled legacy? We have failed our youth - all vocations including those called to married life - because of this mess!!!

  6. The following comment submitted by Anonymous is edited by me as per my policy of not naming private persons unless the commenter is willing to identify him or herself:

    I agree. XXXX XXXX I knew from school and into adult life. She is the last person anyone would imagine a nun, and a Carmelite nun? Who are they fooling? And XXXXX, doing missionary work in Saipan? Really? Luis Camacho - is another example. That's the kind of priests we have to endure. Or not. Its up to us to end this terrible trend. Lord help us if this is what we have to look forward to. Thank God my parents aren't around to see all this babarias. Basta I taimamalao miyo apuron. U faisen si yuos para u dispensa hao, hambenton miyo. Ti mamaigo so yuos.

  7. I am a former neo and watched as these young men and women are told to band together and stay within the communities. Many are lost because they cannot find a "suitable" man or woman, and some are breaking out to find non neo men and women to marry. But for those caught in that swirl, confusion and dryness reign.

  8. You were warned NCW attracts mentally unstable dysfunctional poor souls. Apuron prime example.

  9. No man will marry these female NCW nutcases. Would you marry Diana? Hell No.

  10. Yeah, imagine Diana following you around all day long pontificating with her air of authority! Married to Diana? Uh, no.