Saturday, August 15, 2015

ZOLTAN TO VANGIE LUJAN: "I'M GOING TO GET YOU IN THE PDN."

So it looks like Zoltan made good on his threat to Vangie Lujan at the Agat CCOG meeting that she had "better watch out" or he was going to get her "in the PDN."


The latest version of Zoltan's familiar KAKA-brained insanity is on display in today's PDN here.

Of course, I have used it as a great opportunity to once again show what KAKA (Kiko Arguello Kool Aid) can do to someone's brain and to - once again - show the errors of the Neocatechumenal Way and the truth of our Church. Following is the comment I left on the PDN:


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Hmmm. “Radical voices should be pushed back.” Ordering people to shut up has been this UOG professor’s constant theme for about two years which is when he first started to tell me to shut up. Zoltan comes from a former communist country so it is easy to see why he believes certain people shouldn’t be allowed to speak.

He also has a very dim view of Chamorro people. He has evidenced this many times on my blog and he evidences it here again by referring to the “heightened emotions that were easily elicited by a handful of skillful speakers.” 

Actually, this is toned down language for Zoltan. Recently he wrote: “What is really frightening is the advanced technique and psychological mechanism CCoG operatives employ to stir hatred and demonize people at these meetings for fund raising purposes.” 

Speaking of “radical voices”, Zoltan also publicly threatened three women who disagreed with him: “I gave you a chance to grow beyond your unintelligible bullshit.” 

Zoltan likes to threaten women. At the same meeting in Agat, Zoltan threatened CCOG officer Vangie Lujan for not letting him have the microphone back after a ten minute rant. Vangie wrote: “He told me that I better WATCH OUT because he is going to get me in the PDN.” (Well, I guess this letter is his making good on his threat.) http://www.junglewatch.info/2015/07/first-he-threatened-me.html

Actually, while one other person did speak for a few minutes, there was only one speaker: me. I spoke for an hour. But I didn’t just speak. I handed out - as I do at every meeting - a package of original source documents which backed up absolutely every point: the Archbishop’s letter threatening Fr. Paul with a “painful closure to his assignment”, the letter firing the finance council after they refused to give away the Yona property to the NCW, the deed secretly signed and recorded by the archbishop which in fact DID give away the archdiocese’s most valuable real asset, and so on.

You can access all those documents yourself here: http://www.junglewatch.info/p/blog-page_27.html

Zoltan wants us to believe that the people from Agat who were at the meeting are simply stupid cattle whose “heightened emotions…were easily elicited.” 

Ummm, no Zoltan. Those emotions were already “elicited” by how the people from Agat have been treated by their neocat presbyter, Alfredo, who in addition to disbanding the parish and finance councils (the finance council is required by church law), refuses to do funerals on Saturdays (his Holy Day) and even refuses to do funerals period for people he doesn’t think deserve a funeral, not to mention abandoning his duties during Holy Week to go back to his home country to celebrate Holy Week with his neocat community.

Actually the only “heightened emotions” that were “easily elicited” were “elicted” by Zoltan himself, who, after me, had the most time to speak. Several members of the audience exploded in a mix of rage and amusement at Zoltan’s brazen insult to their intelligence.

During his rant, Zoltan called the neo teaching that “Jesus is a sinner” a “superstition.” However, the audience had just heard a recording of a neocat professor teaching exactly that to our own diaconate candidates. 

Fr. Angelo Veraldi, a neocat presbyter and supposedly a seminary professor, said, to a class full of diaconate candidates:  “He experienced the forgiveness of the Father, because he was a sinner.  He became a sinner.” 

You can listen to it yourself here: http://www.junglewatch.info/2014/09/diaconate-candidates-taught-jesus.html and you can learn more about Kiko Arguello’s (the Way’s founder) theology which denigrates the Trinity - which is why they teach Jesus is a sinner - from Chuck White’s excellent research here: http://thoughtfulcatholic.com/?page_id=44045

Archbishop Apuron was recently publicly confronted with the fact that the “Jesus is a sinner” teaching was being taught by a priest in his diocese and he replied by pretending not to know the priest and then went off on making it sound like the errant teaching was being taught at Father Duenas High School. You can read about that here: http://www.junglewatch.info/2015/07/throwing-fd-under-bus.html.

By the way, in this letter to the editor, Zoltan gives an erroneous reason for the sinlessness of Jesus. He says that Jesus is sinless because he was born of the Virgin Mary who was “exempt from original sin” so “Jesus could not have been a sinner either.” 

For the sake of those who aren’t Catholic (and some who are), THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DOES NOT TEACH THIS. The Catholic Church teaches that Jesus is sinless because HE IS GOD. 

But then Zoltan’s religion doesn’t teach that. 


17 comments:

  1. I was told recently that at Niño Perdido Parish Church in Asan, the NCW had their Mass the same time as the "regular" Sunday Vigil Mass. Can someone from Asan Parish who are not connected to the NCW please speak up. This is very spiteful behavior and a sign of true and malicious, consciously made decision to divide the Parish Church! If this is so, I suggest that these "historical events" be recorded, time and dated so that we know exactly that this is happening and should again be reported to Rome. Keep writing to Rome. Keep sending them evidence, recorded messages, and keep nagging them. So what if Zoltan doesn't like us because we don't like him either because he and the NCW and RMS priests are bullies. We are standing up to you people because God commands it. And keep sending Rome more messages till they get tired of hearing from you. Fill up their inboxes with emails so that they can hear and see more clearly! They don't want to remove the NCW because it is a funding source, but watch as collections go doe this year!

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  2. Zoltan you are not moderate in your thinking.

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  3. Zoltan's actions at the Agat CCOG meeting makes it seem that he has more to gain from the NCW than spiritual growth. Doesn't he teach at the RMS during his off hours from UOG? If my question holds true, I bet he's not doing this for free either. He sounds more like a person whose trying to save his job instead of trying to explain why they worship THE WAY they do. If he did the latter, then that would be more than enough for me to come to a conclusion that the NCW is a different religion.

    James T.

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    1. ZOLTAN:
      It was surprising to experience the heightened emotions that were easily elicited by a handful of skillful speakers.


      ME:
      Zoltan are you trying to say Chamorro people are dumb? you idiot is that why you were there to make sure that the local people were comprehending what vangie lujan was saying ? well why don't you just translate it for us then mr. so over educated you shoulda, coulda, woulda been a doctor "ZOLTAN". I believe the people should be asking you whats in it for you? be I have never heard of you before and all of a sudden
      you what to be a hero...unless the neos are telling you that you are different and you have to do something that no one else would ever think of doing in a lifetime and the ccog meeting in agat was your opportunity.... we are not dumb the neos may be offering you a spot in heaven but for your info, 411, FYI. we don't play that. how low can you go?

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    2. If Zoltan teaches theology at the seminary, what are his qualifications? If he teaches math, no problem.
      Eileen Benavente-Blas

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  4. He needs to update/upgrade his hearing aid. It's all tuned to Kaka sounds and noise pollution and not positive beautiful sounds of the truth.

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  5. Zoltan states that it is superstition that Jesus was a sinner even if it was heard on an audio taught at A SEMINARY. Well Zoltan, it wasn't an ordinary seminary..IT WAS THE RMS SEMINARY HERE ON ISLAND SAID BY A PRIEST BROUGHT IN BY APURON.

    Zoltan, this type of teaching is what I would label "UNINTELLIGIBLE BULLSHIT " that keeps YOUR mind in "BONDAGE."

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    1. There should be better "scrutiny" regarding the "professors" who teach at RMS. Misinformation about Catholic teaching and beliefs should not be tolerated at a seminary or anywhere.
      Eileen Benavente-Blas

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    2. That's just it. It is NOT misinformation. It is what Kiko believes and teaches.we will be proving this at our next series of CCOG meetings.

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  6. One who refuses to face the truth suffers the perdition of his/her soul. It is to this person that Jesus addresses the words, " ...it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle..." Open your mind and your heart to the absence of respected and reliable leadership in the Archdiocese of Agana. Many of us seem to ignore the different paths we now walk and fail to see the pervasive stench that emanates from the blight of the ncw movement.

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  7. Fogd' be a szad Zolton - //Gi-Hagat//

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  8. Reading today's Umatuna on the refurbishing of the Cathedral it's more money....Money to help with the renovation, please donate! Money for the AA'S Birthday fundraiser, please support. Money for advertisement in Bday booklet, please buy a space. Money for ads in the jubilee booklet, also please buy an ad. Money to buy the jubilee booklet please buy when available.

    More money being asked! If there are no funds to make a go of things, BORROW at the BANK, otherwise do what you can with what you have.

    Since Zoltan and Diana are so vocal maybe they can donate their ANNUAL INCOME to HELP defray the cost. Money is evil so give your salaries away.

    Why not go to the insurance company to claim for damages?

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    1. I'll donate to the cathedral's renovation when Msgr. Benavente is reinstated at the cathedral and the NCW are thrown out! It looks as if I'll be keeping my money for a long, long time, alas...

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    2. Due to the Neo takeover of the cathedral, the congregation has dwindled to Neos. Let the Neos subsidize the "drastic" renovations. These are preparations for the upcoming jubilee celebration where Guam Neos will be front and center for the liturgical events with the invited high-ranking Neo clergy. Let off-island Neos throw in their money to finance their Neo celebration. The jubilee booklets are a joke. The parishes taken over by the Neos will recount joyfully in the booklet how all has changed for the better. Why buy space for a publication that falsely constructs history. Why support a jubilee publication that parishes have been forced to buy. As for the gala fundraiser for AAA's bday, well, you know where the money is going.

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    3. I believe the Parish priests were asked to SELL XXX amount of booklets for the Cathedral Jubilee.

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  9. I suggest the arch and Adrian read Fr. Thomas Dubay's "Happy Are You Poor: The Simple Life and Spiritual Freedom." It's a thought-provoking book and makes one reconsider one's priorities.
    Think how many homeless people could be helped with the money going to the arch's birthday celebration. He needs to follow the example of Pope Francis and his simple no frills living. Doubt if the arch would have the humility to say no to a pair of handmade red shoes or any handmade shoes for that matter.
    Eileen Benavente-Blas

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