Tuesday, June 21, 2016

ORCHESTRATED? - PART 4

A Night at the Opera: Wagner’s Götterdämmerung

I keep hearing the question about why Apuron's victims are coming forward now. One particular talk show host continues to bring it up, perhaps for no other reason than it makes for interesting speculation about a conspiracy. I've called in and answered the question on his show but I haven't heard him use my explanation when the question arises, so I'm going to detail it here for the record. 

In doing so, I am having to fast forward a bit from my storyline as we left it in Part 3, but no matter, we'll get back to it. In fact, it probably makes for a better story to jump forward and backward since all the pieces tie together and ultimately are connected to one large cover up of Apuron's horrific acts. 

I already explained in Part 1 how Apuron went to Rome and tried to shut me up by getting the Grand Master of the Knights of the Holy Sepulcher of Jerusalem to write me a cease and desist order. I further explained how I wondered why he did that as it seemed out of all proportion to what I was doing, merely blogging about his already very public battle with Father Paul. 

In hindsight, the real reason Apuron needed to shut me up was because my blog was beginning to provide a forum for secrets that were supposed to remain secrets, but now, under the cover of anonymity on a very public blog, those secrets might leak out. 

In late 2013, the page views were exploding. I remember hitting 5000, 10,000, 15,0000, 20,000. It seemed unreal. I could also see that the hits to the blog were coming from around the world. There was some serious interest and I really did not know why. 

Walter

My understanding is that Walter Denton came to Guam sometime in the summer of 2015 for the funeral of a relative. At a family gathering he overheard talk about Apuron and the growing problems of the local church. According to a woman present at the time, Walter apparently blurted out that he had been molested by Apuron when he was an altar boy in Agat. 

The account was related by the woman to Patti Arroyo on her talk show on August 19, 2015. I was on the phone with Patti at the time and we were speaking about the allegations made by John Toves who had called in earlier. You can listen to the whole call here

I am already on record several times saying that I had heard of the "Agat boys" rumors for years, especially after having moved to Agat 20 years ago. The rumor was always the same: Apuron, when he was pastor of Mt. Carmel parish in Agat in the 1970's, had molested several boys. No one ever knew any names, but the rumor never went away. 

And then it happened

Then, on Januray 15, 2014, about a year and a half before Walter returned to Guam for his relative's funeral, what Apuron feared - and the reason he tried to get a Cardinal in Rome to shut me up - happened. Someone left this:

Oh, so now SNAP is on the Archbishop's side? Wait for those boys in Agat to speak up...then we'll see what side they take.
It was then followed a few comments later by this:



What boys in Agat are you referring to? You creating a whole different mess. There is already enough drama!
The date/time stamp is hyperlinked so you can click on it to go to the original comment and view the context. 

All the key words were there: Archbishop, boys (plural), Agat. However, this comment sounded like the commenter knew "those boys." 

Still I wasn't interested in pursuing this. One can see from my posts at the time that I never addressed it. I was much more interested in exposing the absolutely vile and canonically illegal actions Apuron was taking against Fr. Paul. 
January of 2014 was when Apuron and Fr. Paul were publicly engaged in Fr. Paul's demand for an apology from Apuron for what he said about him at the clergy retreat the previous October.  At the retreat, Apuron had insinuated that Fr. Paul was in a homosexual relationship with the former parish employee Apuron had ordered Fr. Paul to fire. Apuron had only feigned an apology and told Fr. Paul to "cool it."

In hindsight, the timing is "ironic." Apuron's false accusation about Fr. Paul being in a sexual relationship, occasioned the first ever public mention of Apuron's sexual and psychological mutilation of young boys. 

Back to the phone call with Patti and the woman from Agat. 

After the comments just copied above, this phone call was the second public mention of the events of 40 years ago. And it was an arrow straight through the heart. The woman calling was the daughter of a man who had served the parish for many years, and had known Apuron well. The man let his children know that upon his death, Apuron was NOT to be the priest who presided at his funeral. The woman then said "it was then that I knew that my father knew something." 

Walter's name was not mentioned in the phone call, but somebody was listening who knew who the woman on the radio was referring to. It was another woman who had known "Tony" well, and also knew Walter. (I was to meet this woman later.) 

The woman who "knew Tony well" got a hold of John Toves. I'm not sure what happened step by step, but John, who had also been an Agat altar boy, knew Walter, and sent him a friend request on Facebook. Walter accepted. After a couple of communications, John recommended that Walter call me. He did. 

I found out that Walter had already sent his account to Rome. I didn't know how he got around to doing this until I heard Walter talk of it during his interviews here with the media a couple weeks ago. According to Walter, he had approached a lawyer friend of his who had instructed him to write "the nuncio" and to be as detailed as possible. 

Some may wonder what prompted Walter to do this after 40 years and it was no doubt two things.

First, unlike the other two who have come forward so far, Walter confronted his molester some 20 years later at a party in Washington state. Apuron's treatment of him at this meeting apparently angered Walter all the more. As compensation for raping him, Apuron gave Walter a picture of the Virgin Mary, a CD of Apuron singing, and a picture of himself. Walter recounted this encounter a couple of different times when he was here recently and you can hear the disgust in Walter's voice as if it happened yesterday. 

The second thing which seemed to have prompted Walter was his hearing about all the hell Apuron was causing during his trip here in the summer of 2015. This seems to have caused him to blurt out that Apuron had molested him. Whatever moved him, it is quite apparent from hearing any of Walter's talks about what Apuron did to him that the scars he bears are just below the surface, and probably merely hearing Apuron's name after 40 years caused him to snap and decide to actually do something about it. 

Walter had already done something about it when he called me. He had sent his letter to Rome at the instruction of his attorney friend. I asked for a copy of that letter. Walter sent it to me on 9/11/15. I didn't realize it was 9/11 until I looked at the email again just now. Hmmmm. (Actually, I now remember that Walter emailed me the same day I spoke with him. So my first personal encounter with him was also on 9/11.)

In his email cover note, Walter told me that the Vatican office he sent his letter to had advised him to get an attorney. Walter advised that he didn't have money for an attorney and that he did not think his letter was going anywhere. After reading the letter, which contained the most horrid details of the night Apuron raped him, I decided I was going to help Walter. 

I had guessed that the Vatican office which had responded to Walter had advised him to get an attorney because Rome was not about to take action against a sitting bishop with little more than a letter (though for an ordinary priest, they certainly would have - which is unfortunate.). I knew that in order for Rome to take Walter seriously we were going to have to find another victim.

(I will insert here that at the time I had also tried to get Walter an attorney. I set up a meeting with an attorney from Guam who was in the states at the time to meet with Walter. I understood that the meeting took place. I never heard why the attorney decided not to take the case, but it may have been for the same reason the Vatican did not take it up: 1) it involved a bishop, and 2) there was only one victim and nothing else with which to corroborate Walter's story.)

Walter had mentioned that he knew there were other boys. I asked him if he knew who they were. He said he did but that they did not want to come forward. I asked him to keep working on them because we needed another victim. 

Meanwhile, I got back to the Vatican office and advised them that Walter did not have the money for an attorney, and even if he did, the statute of limitations would prevent him from taking any legal action against Apuron. But regardless of Walter's ability to find another victim who would come forward or to take legal action, I advised the Vatican official that Rome at least had the duty to confront Apuron personally and ask him if the allegations were true. 

I did not hear back from the Vatican official after that, but a few months later Walter told me that he had gotten a call from Bishop Olmsted, the bishop of Phoenix, the diocese where Walter lives. Apparently the Vatican office Walter had contacted - and I had followed up with - had taken action. I don't know if they ever confronted Apuron. The nature of Bishop Olmsted's call was pastoral. He wanted to help Walter however he could. 

Stop for a moment and contrast Bishop Olmsted's action toward Walter with Archbishop Hon's. Olmsted was doing what the church and his own priesthood required him to do. He did not try to determine if Walter's story was true. He simply and personally reached out to him and offered him support in whatever way Walter was in need. Hon has not only NOT done that, he has effectively MOCKED the accounts of Roy, Doris, Walter and Roland, publicly comparing their accounts with a story about a woman who falsely accused a bishop. 

Of course, as already mentioned. Not only has Hon not personally reached out to any one of these four, no priest has done so either. But moving on. 

Since John Toves had been an altar boy in Agat, and since Walter had said that he knew that Apuron had molested other boys, I asked John to write down the names of as many altar boys as he could remember and send it to me. He did. At this point (around October) I also lost touch with Walter for awhile. He didn't return my emails or my calls. I realized that Walter had no reason to trust me. The Church he had loved and served had crapped on him and up to that point, and as far as he knew, his letter had been ignored. I knew I had to find another victim. 

R.S.

I poured through the list John sent me. I had a bit of a tip. Walter had shared the initials of one of the boys with me: R.S. That's it. On the list John sent was the name "Roland Sondia." R. S. I googled the name and found that Roland Sondia still lived and worked in Guam. By coincidence Roland's company was doing business just then with a friend of mine and he was meeting with Roland on a regular basis. I asked my friend to approach Roland and see how he responds to the name "Apuron." 

Meanwhile, I got a tip from another friend. I mentioned the name Roland Sondia to him and he said that "yes," he knew who he was and had seen him at family functions. In fact, he had been talking about Apuron to him recently and Roland had responded in a strange way saying that Apuron "had problems," and it was obvious that Roland did not want to talk about him.

I pressed my friend who was doing business with Roland to meet with him soon. He did. I don't know the content of that meeting but the answer came back affirmative. Roland had been molested by Apuron. Now there were two. I sent word to the Vatican office. I still did not know how we were going to go forward. 

My friend had let Roland read Walter's letter, and apparently it prompted Roland to call a friend in Hawaii who had also been an altar boy with Roland. Roy Quintanilla answered, and answered "yes," he had been molested too. Now there were three. 

Soon thereafter, Roy and Walter flew to Guam to meet with Roland. All three agreed they wanted nothing more than to confront Apuron personally and privately and have him take responsibility for what he did to them. But while they were here, they also began reaching out to other former altar boys and names started popping up. 

I sat down with them at a meeting a couple days later and asked them to consider going public. My reason was that there were certainly others who had suffered as they had, and may not come forward on their own. Indeed, not even these three were willing to come forward until they had learned about each other. They agreed. They knew what Apuron would do to them if they did and so did I. We would have to be careful as to how we went about this. 



56 comments:

  1. Very interesting reading! This scenario is of the actual truthful things that have happened and now I am totally on the saying "Pins and Needles"! The Saga Continues and I am anxiously waiting for the next "Edition"!

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  2. Altar boys = angelic servers
    Apuron = SCUM

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  3. But Diana says you had the Agat Boys write-up ready for print prior to that call being made to K-57. So she says this proves all of the victims here are lying, and got paid by CCOG to do so. Based on my review of google detective techniques, she is spot on.

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    1. Please advise The Diana that she will soon have the opportunity to present her case in a court of law and to testify under penalty of perjury. I, with documents, in hand, and looking forward to the same. The more she says, the more that can and will be used against her in a court of law. Bring it on. Have I ever been proved to be wrong thus far? Emphasis on "proved."

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    2. I feel sorry for anyone who succumbs to the garbage Diana spews. Her blog is a cesspool of hate and void of any intellectual or moral substance. St. Anthony of Padua pray for them.

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    3. The phrase, the accused is "innocent" until proven guilty, pertains to jurisprudence. In the case of Apurun his actions have been expressions of guilt. Even a "trained" lawyer would have advised Apurun to refrain from incriminating himself by issuing a statement of "innocence" calling the accusers liars "conspiring to attack me with malicious and calumnious accusations". And who knows, maybe he was advised to "shut up" but refused with the same incoherent logic displayed on Diana's blog. Hate blinds and obliterates the virtues.

      An analysis of Archbishop Hon's administration has produced more questions than answers, more suspicion than trust and more division than unity. Where is the "urgency"? Where is the compassion? Where is the "dialogue" necessary to move forward your excellency? So far your mission has the appearance of a "Neo Sabbatical".

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    4. I have to apologize. I was only repeating Diana's leap of faith analysis here for its utter stupidity, and not in support. I realize my sarcasm in referring to Diana's google detective techniques missed the mark. I personally believe each of the victims here and truly remain inspired by their courage. To believe otherwise means one simple thing, you are a NEO.

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    5. FYI, when embedding elements, such as boldface or underline, to turn off or close the command one types "/" followed by the command.

      In keeping to this, I sometimes use /s to indicate that "sarcasm is off."

      Thus, at the end of a "sarcastic" comment, just place the "/s" as to indicate that the preceding was sarcasm.

      This is not a rule, just a suggestion.

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    6. Nice suggestion. So, we don't get confused. Or use Lol,if appropriate.

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    7. who has a picture Diana

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    8. http://www.junglewatch.info/2016/05/dear-diana-its-time-we-tell-them-i-told.html

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    9. https://goo.gl/photos/cUnC7urWpiPne96n6

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  4. Anon 9:17 you pitiful jerks! Keep trying to pretend Apuron is not guilty. I wonder what would happen is the truth smashes you in the face. Be prepared it is coming soon. You pitiful bastards, how can you defend the creep?

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  5. Apuron is a sick man. The account of how these men gathered the strength to expose the demon of their youth ought to send a clear message to Archbishop Hon Tai Fai and others who question the veracity of events "after 40 or so years." It is not made-up, conspiracy, fabricated or whatever you call it - it is the truth, plain and simple. For these brave men to come to terms with a horrible childhood experience is no easy feat. It comes with tentative fear and anxiety as to how their spouse or family or friends would react, given that the accused is an archbishop of the Church they love. The expose' alone should give Hon a heart to meet with these men and their families. He has not done that, and he continues to turn a blind eye and turn his back on the outstretched arms of these men who have carried the stigma of guilt and damaging memories. I can only say that regardless of whether or not the representatives of the Church acknowledge these men and attempt to push these issues under the rug Walter, Roy, John, Roland, Doris and +Sonny can hold their heads up, higher than any of these "men of the cloth" who cower in fear to protect their own self-interest. There is a lot of nobility in human nature so articulately expressed in the sincerity and humility of these individuals. Thanks to these people who remind us that truth trumps the clutches of fear.

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  6. @ 9:17, that is really low. You are now accusing them not just being liars but paid liars. Have you realized that these alleged victims are not just humiliating themselves but their families as well. You'd think those family members will come out and support these people if they think they are just lying and getting paid for lying. Anyways, as Tim said, everyone concerned will have an opportunity to present his case and testify under the penalty of perjury.

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  7. I'm pretty sure anonymous 9:17 was being facetious.

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    1. I mean @9:17, are you?

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    2. Yes. Read that last sentence again. Slowly. And ponder its implications.

      Based on my review of google detective techniques, she is spot on.”

      May Llanes is notoriously Google-dependent. Not anyone's first source for direct professional services.

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    3. True @2:47, as I clarified earlier. More interesting google detective logic today (I know but I couldn't stay away today), which I guess flows like this: A man who tells inconsistent stories is a man who has something to hide. Since Tim apparently has something to hide, he must be guilty of a conspiracy. Since he is guilty of a conspiracy, it must also involve the participation of the victims. Since the victims are participating in the conspiracy, all of them must be lying. Since they are lying, they must have gotten paid. Since Tim has no money, CCOG must have paid them. And this topic is actually labeled "More Fairy Tales". Very appropriate. /S

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    4. I'm from Agat and I've been reading and following all that has been going on in our beautiful island. I know all of the Agat boys and know that all of their accounts are truthful. I'm 8 years older than them and moved to the states when Apuron was pastor in our village. I've heard many negative comments of him whenever his name is brought up. I definitely believe and know that all the allegations are true. My prayers and support go out to all my brothers and their families.

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    5. @3.57. That's as good a summary of the logic of poor May Llanes and Co that I've seen. It all rests on this "inconsistent stories" premise which, unfortunately for her, is far from having been demonstrated anyway!

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  8. You folks are being bashed on Diana's blog about the inconsistency of Tim's blogs regarding his contact dates with the accusers and and remarks made on the radio talk shows. Dates don't jive they say.

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    1. May's blog is not where we gauge our truthfullnes , May is delusional and brainwashed, and unable to think on her own, writes what she is told to write by her master Pius. We have already established based on Apurons lack of leadership in this archdiocese that He is a liar, and does not have any credibility. Therefore we hold to the testimony of these four men who have come forth telling the whole world how they have been abused by this monster Apuron.

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  9. The "stupids" at that other blog are just trying to confuse anyone who'd be willing to read there babble. They will believe what they want to. Tim has documented every little tidbit and has proof of all that is claimed in the Jungle. The "idiots" on the other blog have been challenged time and time again to produce proof. They can't find it or they're still looking for it. So to muddy up the real issues, they deflect by directing others to odd ball issues. They can bash all they want. They are not worth my attention.

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  10. Well, let Diana May bash others as much as her heart desires, we have already deduced her intent to lie for and defend the apuron legacy and the neo existence. No sleuthing on her part, just intuitive opinions hatched by her warped mind. She has no credibility and not worth our attention.

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  11. What are the Neos (pius, adrian, david the vg, et al) doing, while our attention is on apuron? Keep your guard up, people!

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  12. Can you provide a copy of the email as it appears in your inbox and the letter that Walter Denton sent you on 9/11, with the timestamp of the email to prove to Diana that you aren't lying? After all, she did say you were inconsistent because of the timing of the events. I think with that you can and will effectively end that argument.

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    1. Hi Mae. Nice to see you in the jungle.

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    2. I pray Tim is not stupid enough to release a copy of the email and email address of Walter or any of the other victims. The man has been through enough and enough bashing from some within the church. He doesn't need email harassment. Crazy fools. And the logic that the CCOG has paid false victims to come forward and go through all this on the small amount of money they have raised is even more insane. Remember the CCOG is not raising money for any personal gain (it's a nonprofit), but to return property to the Archdiocese that was transferred to the NCW. If that is accomplished it will be a to the benefit of all the Catholics of the Archdiocese of Agana. There is just nothing to gain for the CCOG members personally. Tim may gain financially if he makes the effort to write a book on this saga and "Dinah" just keeps providing more material for that book, otherwise his only gain is the satisfaction of doing what is just.

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    3. Good eye, 8:25. Good eye. LOL. No worries. I have all of my documents. What haven't these bozos learned after three years. I HAVE THE DOCUMENTS. May will get a chance to show hers when I sue her ass off. LOL. Keep at it May. Keep at it.

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    4. Kind of thought so myself since all of a sudden there are requests of "Can You Provide"? Hmmm - Why?

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    5. Christian don't sue but wait.... Your not Christians but bunch of devil advocates.

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    6. LOL. They're loose again :)

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  13. Tim- I've felt the rumblings of unrest and peril of our church.
    I appreciate your blog and all you are shining a light on.
    Question though, above you mention that you didn't know about the letter Walter sent to Rome until Walter was here and talking to the media. Then a few paragraphs down you mention that he sent you a copy of the letter to Rome last 9/11. Am I not following correctly?
    Also, what is The Diana's blog? I am curious.
    Thank you!

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    1. 9:30PM-- C'mon, you can do better than that! So obvious!! Heheheh....

      That's the problem with the Dianas/Mays---they really are closed minded when they read --- something akin to 'selective hearing'.

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  14. I've tried to comment on Dianas blog, but doesnt appear. Is this normal?

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    1. Of course it's normal. She doesn't like it when she is caught lying so she just chooses not to publish comments that are damaging to her blog.

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  15. Bye bye bishop. Hello casino. And let's legalize recreational marijuana as well and with the tax revenue from millions of visitors, we can kiss the feds goodbye.

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    1. Legalize recreational use of marijuana and watch our young people literally, and figuratively speaking, go to pot. It's bad enough as it is now. People advocating for the legalization of marijuana are mainly those who stand to gain financially. Addiction is real people...Don't kid yourself! Been there, done that..Don't want to do it ever again. Was blessed to salvage my career and the rest of my life. Thank God!

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  16. DianaJune 22, 2016 at 11:13 PM
    Dear Anonymous at 6:48 pm,

    You ask where are our supporters? Our supporter is God. He has always been our supporter, and there is no greater supporter than Him. For three years, Tim Rohr has been trying to remove Archbishop Apuron, and so far, he has NOT accomplished that goal. Archbishop Apuron still retains his title.

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    1. LOL. I've only completely removed all his authority and published his sorry ass all over the world. LOL. How's that for a little lay guy with no letters after his name and only a keyboard. Damn, I'm good. LOL. Press DONATE. Courage.

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    2. Diana June 22, 2016 at 11:13 PM - Diana/May Honey, you can have all the titles in the world, from A to Z, that you want but if You Do Not Have the Respect and Love of the People You Serve, What Good Is It? Your Archbishop Apuron is Known All Over the World as A Child Abuser and he brought this upon himself. Had he just come out in person and either denied or accept his fate, it would have been all over. But he had you and other NEOs call the victims Liars and Actors. That is wrong and of course people are going to protect the victims and I, for one, believe the victims. There is no way that these men will put their wives and children in the spotlight for the rest of their lives, for all the money in the world! Stop condemning the victims! Tell Your Beloved Hero (only to the NEOs - not to the True Catholics) to Come Forward and Stop the Accusations! I know I am "Blowing in Wind" writing to you this way but, in my opinon, it is the only way to get to your way of thinking - Then Maybe NOT!

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  17. I've commented many times but it doesn't go through either!

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  18. This Old House and Other Musings

    Have you ever watched This Old House on PBS? What about Fixer Upper on HGTV? I've been a fan of these kinds of shows for years. A common occurrence during a renovation is opening up a wall or pulling up floor boards and finding rotten lumber, termite infestation, corroded pipes, etc. It's a lot of work and expense dealing with these problems but it is necessary and worth the effort in the long run.

    I knew there were problems in the archdiocese and with some people in the leadership of our local church. That is the primary reason I started supporting the CCOG and participating in the LFM pickets. I didn't realize how extensive the problems were and still are.

    Back to the televisions shows: In one episode a beautiful house was found to have unsafe electrical wiring. It meant there would be a significant hit to the renovation budget. An unfortunate reality that needed to be fixed properly.

    Well folks, our church is in need of repair. Some walls were opened up and rot was found. There is a terrible pest infestation in the very foundation of what seemed to be a beautiful edifice. There is corrosion all over the place. What are we to do? Put some plywood over the spot and give it a fresh coat of paint? Sure, it would look nice at first, but the rot is still there. Put some decorative moulding around the area. What a transformation! Then it gets eaten away by the pests.

    Are we willing to do the hard work necessary to fix our church? Are we willing to tear out the rotten parts to save what is still good and strong? (Hold on to your seats) Are we willing to start from scratch and build this church from the ground up if that is necessary?

    A quick fix is only a short term remedy that doesn't go to the heart of the problem. At some time the problem needs to be addressed and dealt with.

    And so we march on.

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  19. I find it very interesting that all of a sudden there is quite a bit "Anonymous" postings asking Tim to provide this and that! Hmmmmmm - Is someone trying to get information under the guise of "Anonymous"? Tim has always been up front with everything he posts and backs it up with proof! What is the matter NEOs - Is it Getting TOO HOT in the Kitchen and Diana/May is trying to get some scoop to counteract Tim's postings? How Fricking Transparent Can You Be?

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  20. And to carry the analogy a little farther, Andrew, the builder (Archbisop Hon) sent fix the house has so far only used plywood and paint.

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    1. Totally Agree - Andrew CamachoJune 23, 2016 at 4:59 AM and Robert KlitzkieJune 23, 2016 at 7:08 AM - It will take a long time to fix the problems but in the end, We Will Prevail in Taking Our Catholic Church Back! Haste Makes Waste as We All Know!

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    2. I appreciate the sentiment. Can you explain what taking our Catholic Church back means? The horrors going on in this diocese have been going on for decades.

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    3. Matthew 21:12-17 - Jesus Cleanses the Temple - And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all who sold and bought in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who sold pigeons. He said to them, “It is written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer,’ but you make it a den of robbers.”

      Yes - "Guam's Diocese horrors have been going on for decades" but it is now exposed. For most of us not living on Guam, we are not aware of the sad happenings in our Catholic Churches. So happy that we now have social media to become aware and participate, if only in writing.

      Thank You Tim for giving us this forum! Without you, we would have continued thinking all is well with Our Catholic Churches!

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  21. Diana speaks? By posting her comment here Diana the she/he/it/May/maybe can compare it Mr. Walter's story.

    DianaJune 23, 2016 at 6:49 AM
    Dear Anonymous at 11:32 pm,

    If those four people did not have any ties to Tim Rohr, I would find their stories much more credible. The fact that all of them are tied to Tim Rohr and that all of them came out the way they did is extremely suspect.

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    1. Answer: Monday 10am. Public Hearing.

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    2. Diana June 23, 2016 at 6:49 AM - Dear Anonymous at 11:32 pm - Wow - Just saw this and I am so disgusted with this posting! Because Tim did something to be sure that these Victims are not Abused Again with your Child Abuser/Molester Apuron, you do not believe that it actually happened! What A Moronic Idea to think that the Victims stories are "extremely suspect" because Tim was involved! Do you really think that Tim will let them all come out and embarrassed their families and friends just for the exposure? Are You Stupid? Well - Yeah!

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  22. Dingbat 6:49....The four "people" have apuron as a common denominator. Since all of them are tied to apuron, don't you think it suspect too???? STUPID!!!! Hahaha

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