Thursday, June 12, 2014

DONT' RUSH THE BRUSH!

They are going nuts over there on the other side. I received the following as a comment which you can see here. To verify the source, the exact comment is copied below from "Diana's" blog.






  1. We are expecting answers to some obvious questions from the Jungle blog. First of all, how did they obtain confident correspondence from Cardinal Tagle to a journalist at the Umatuna?

    There is a very credible assumption that Jungle blog paid money to those who stole the letter from the Cardinal in Manila. Pinoy Catholic was obviously involved. Jungle blog bought the leaked confidential information as an investment to break into the Italian anti-Neocatechumenal market for fame and glory, where anything "anti-Kiko" sells good. Jungle blog will sell its shamelessly self-created story to them. This was the whole essence of the premeditated script they followed.

    The second question is why did Jungle blog withhold information for 8 days, creating 16 completely unnecessary blog posts with 548 comments about the plot? What was the purpose? Why did they use immoral tactics and manipulative techniques to push their ways through? I cannot just recall what I have read about the Free Masons who historically employed the same kinds of secret plots and malignant conspiracy to undercut Church authorities. Was this the hidden goal of Jungle blog?

    No conversation is possible with those who were involved in this evil scheme unless we obtain honest and serious answers to these questions, including written apologies to
    1. Cardinal Tagle for using his good name for personal purposes,
    2. Archbishop Apuron for making baseless accusations against him and
    3. Diana for being dishonest with her, trying to entrap her and both the audience of her blog and the audience of Jungle blog.

    "30 The words of good people are wise,
    and they are always fair.
    31 They keep the law of their God in their hearts
    and never depart from it.

    34 Put your hope in the Lord and obey his commands;
    he will honor you by giving you the land,
    and you will see the wicked driven out.

    35 I once knew someone wicked who was a tyrant;
    he towered over everyone like a cedar of Lebanon;
    36 but later I passed by, and he wasn't there;
    I looked for him, but couldn't find him.

    39 The Lord saves the righteous
    and protects them in times of trouble.
    40 He helps them and rescues them;
    he saves them from the wicked,
    because they go to him for protection."
    (Psalm 37: 30-40)

    Bernie

Okay, you want answers, here they are:
We are expecting answers to some obvious questions from the Jungle blog. First of all, how did they obtain confident correspondence from Cardinal Tagle to a journalist at the Umatuna? 
The letter was NOT CONFIDENTIAL to a "journalist at the Umatuna". The letter was sent to three people and was not marked "confidential". Anyone of the three people could have shared the letter and probably did. At the very minimum they had to share it with others in the chancery, and anyone of them could have shared it and probably did. But here is how I got the letter. I asked a friend to ask the Cardinal and he gave it to him to give to me with the instructions not to post it unless the U Matuna failed to. 
There is a very credible assumption that Jungle blog paid money to those who stole the letter from the Cardinal in Manila. Pinoy Catholic was obviously involved. Jungle blog bought the leaked confidential information as an investment to break into the Italian anti-Neocatechumenal market for fame and glory, where anything "anti-Kiko" sells good. Jungle blog will sell its shamelessly self-created story to them. This was the whole essence of the premeditated script they followed. 
LOL! Credible assumption? LOL! Jungle blog? LOL! It's JungleWatch! LOL! Paid money? LOL!"Stole the letter from the Cardinal? LOL! Pinoy Catholic involved? LOL! Break into the Italian anti-Neocatechumenal market? LOL! Sell the story? Hell, it's free on the internet already! If you can copy it so can they! LOLOLOLOL!

But for the record. Cardinal Tagle was not secret about his concerns. The Cardinal is well aware of Kiko's photo-op tricks and his masterful control of the media. His first suspicion, as already stated, was that the rumor that he had invited Kiko originated with the NCW in the Philippines. Thus he first questioned the RMS rector there. 

Given that the Cardinal did not seem to question the Philippine NCW further it was probably the RMS rector who confirmed that the misuse of Cardinal Tagle's name originated in Guam. In any case, the Cardinal wrote no other letter of correction other than the one sent to the U Matuna staff.  
The folks at Pinoy Catholic would laugh their rears off to hear that they were involved in the alleged stealing of the letter. In fact it was the Pinoy Catholic who discovered from a Philippine source that I had the letter and through an intermediary asked me for a copy the Thursday before the big Shindig in Paranaque because they wanted it out before the event that Cardinal Tagle DID NOT invite Kiko. I did not release it because of the instructions I had received from Cardinal Tagle. 

And fame and glory? BARF!
The second question is why did Jungle blog withhold information for 8 days, creating 16 completely unnecessary blog posts with 548 comments about the plot? What was the purpose? Why did they use immoral tactics and manipulative techniques to push their ways through? I cannot just recall what I have read about the Free Masons who historically employed the same kinds of secret plots and malignant conspiracy to undercut Church authorities. Was this the hidden goal of Jungle blog? 
This is getting hilarious. But I'm posting this so Cardinal Tagle himself can see what becomes of otherwise decent people's brains once they drink the Kiko Arguello Kool Aid (KAKA), and hopefully limit the damage in the Philippines. 

I checked my files and I received a copy of the letter on June 1 (and with the instruction not to post it unless the U Matuna failed to do so.) As already stated in a previous post I had noted towards the end of the last week of May that Ms. Dulla's story had been scrubbed from the Umatuna website.  I did not put 2 and 2 together until a friend called me a few days later and told me that he had heard Cardinal Tagle was aware of Ms. Dulla's story, was not pleased, and had written a letter of correction. 

It was then that I realized why Ms. Dulla's story was scrubbed from the website. And so I posted my story DELETE. However, I still had no letter. It wasn't until the kiko's went mad about my story that I decided I was going to get a copy of the letter which I did the next day. 
No conversation is possible with those who were involved in this evil scheme unless we obtain honest and serious answers to these questions, including written apologies to

1. Cardinal Tagle for using his good name for personal purposes, 
2. Archbishop Apuron for making baseless accusations against him and 
3. Diana for being dishonest with her, trying to entrap her and both the audience of her blog and the audience of Jungle blog.
LO-freaking-L!!!! Cardinal Tagle's name was used "for personal purposes? Who the HELL did that? Archbishop Apuron...baseless accusations???? The Archbishop did nothing and has done nothing to correct the record. He allowed the lie, and even after Cardinal Tagle's letter, he has said nothing. Who is supposed to apologize to who here?

Oh, but the last one is the funniest. Look kiko's, let me help you out. Let's say that I really did have an evil scheme to "entrap" you instead of just obeying the Cardinal's wishes to not print the letter until the Archbishop and the Umatuna had the opportunity to set the record straight. Well then who are the FOOLS who fell for it? 

And more important, WHY did you fall for it? Because your brains are numb with KAKA. You were all so ravenous to destroy me that you came charging at me like a pack of castrated bulls tripping over each other in your frothing rage. We have a saying in the Caribbean: DON'T RUSH THE BRUSH. 

But look, even now. How do you know that I don't have another letter from the Cardinal verifying my account? And you are all rushing the brush again. What if I am even now leading you into another trap, ready to once again pull the rug out from under you and let you all fall into an even deeper pit and now with the WHOLE WORLD watching?

How smart is that? Even if I am this evil conspirator, WHY are you, once again, lemming-like "rushing the brush?" If I did it to you once, don't you think I can do it again?

But of course, I've done nothing to you. You've done it to yourselves. Or more on point, "THEY'VE" done it to you. Your leaders have left YOU to burn, to fall, to twist in the wind. But no worries. None of you uses your name. So nobody knows who the real fools are...but you. 

25 comments:

  1. BTW, I'm way ahead of you. I already notified Ignatius Press on March 11 about "the book". They said it was too late to stop the release but that they are looking into the information I sent them:

    Mr. Rohr,

    Thank you for your email. I have forwarded your concerns to Father Fessio and the rest of the Production team. As it’s very late (the book is almost in our warehouse), I’m not sure anything can be done, but please do send me the information you mention and I’ll make sure to forward it on.

    Eva

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    1. What is "the book"?

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    2. "The Kerygma" - by Kiko, about Kiko, for Kiko. I called Ignatius Press. They had no idea who he was or what the NCW was or at least not his and their other side. They just published it because it had the appropriate credits from bought and paid for clergymen.

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    3. "This is one of those books that, in its simplicity, is full of substance and depth, and it deserves to be read." Cardinal Antonio Cañizares Llovera, Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship. DIVINE WORSHIP, TIM TIM!

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    4. I have already read this book in the vile ugliness and the vomit and sputum recorded in the comments on this blog which are the fruit of this man.

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    5. And I would add in the cowardice in people like you who feel free to use my name but haven't the slightest ounce if Christian courage to face me.

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    6. Oh, and Cardinal Llovera? What are his credentials?

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    7. Why is Kiko's book Kerygma ugly Tim? What's the matter? It does not meet your credential? The guy spent time with the poor of the poor. What did you do? Cradle snatch at school.

      Sign_______________ Fruit to fight you

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    8. Thanks 10:34. Gonna put this one on display.

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  2. Cardinal Tagle hates the way and that is why his country's vocation is down. I remember a decade in a half ago, people of Guam are crying for local Priest or a just A priest. Now there is a river of em, people hate the WAY or RMS Priest. I have a great idea if Tagle is reading this post. Why don't you run Guam's archdiocese since you hate the Neocathecumenal Way and YOU MOST HOLINESS HAVE A perfect idea for vocation. Cardinal Tagle your utmost genius and meekness of remarkable wisdom, please have Tim Rohr form a vocation center, study apologetics and figure out how in the world can you bring the former Catholic back to church because of mediocre type of Church..... Wait a minute the Vatican II 1962 AD was created, let's go back to Vatican-I so more would leave the Church. This is awesome. WE invite you Cardinal Tagle to come to Guam and reform our Archdiocese, we OMIT your hate or ignore it towards the brothers who are in the WAY. After all, everyone fail to reconcile and have a better idea of creating their own church. Because no one here believe the GOSPEL and just completely ignore it. Christianity don't exist . Crab mentality is at hand.

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    1. 6:36pm, That's a winning strategy for sure. Keep it up, hammer, hammer, hammer Cardinal Tagle. I'm very sure that will bear lots of fruit for you. Remember to tell him over and over again that "Christianity don't exist (sic)" as you say. LOL.

      And if Archbishop Apuron shares "Diana"s concerns about the confidentiality of the Cardinal's letter, he should write a strong letter to the Cardinal expressing his concerns. I'm sure that will bear a lot of fruit too. Peace.

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    2. No Chuck you enhance the multiple fruits here on this blog. Did you count your members yet? I heard you have an ambition to take over and promote The Latin Mass as uniform mas. Since you know better, let see here your the guy who claim the bible on Domus room as center of worship not the tabernacle? Again, that picture you posted was one room section for scrutinizing the scripture not what you think. How do I know? I was there for five years.

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    3. LOL! Another seminarian playing in the jungle.

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    4. You provide them with a glimpse of their own duplicity, and see how they rage.

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    5. His vocations are down?
      What planet do you come from man?

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    6. AnonymousJune 13, 2014 at 12:04 AM Planet Guam. Why don't you call Cardinal Tagle's right hand and ask him yourself. How many priest were ordained for the past 10 years (Smerk). He'll tell you.

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    7. Chuck WhiteJune 12, 2014 at 10:36 PM Stating the fact since you never been there.

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  3. DianaJune 12, 2014 at 6:52 PM
    Dear Anonymous at 4:45 p.m.,

    I do not know. The last time I checked his blog, I saw a mad bull frothing at the nose. I guess Bernie's comment upset him.

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  4. Hi,
    a few weeks ago I found your blog. I admit I've been surprised how much your blog is similar to ours here in Italy (Osservatorio sul Cammino Neocatecumenale secondo verità: "truth-respecting observatory on the NCW") and our friends in Spain (Crux Sancta). Roman Catholic faith is the same everywhere in the world... and NCW cult is the same everywhere in the world.

    Fun fact: you published a page "Kiko catechizes the Pope" a few days before we transcribed Kiko's actual speech from Youtube and published with the same title: "Kiko evangelizza il Papa" - before knowing anything about this blog).

    This is why I wrote a page to review Jungle Watch, pointing out the similarities with things happening here in Italy.

    We do not use our actual names in our blog because of many kikos actually annoying and attacking us (yes, up to episodes which required Police intervention). Also, one of their standard slogans is "Popes praise us, you criticize us, then you are against the Popes" (fun fact: all those slogans have the same scheme; example: "Kiko's songs are biblical, you criticize Kiko's songs, then you are against the Bible").

    90% of the world NCW communities are in Italy and Spain. Thus most of the NCW-related texts are either in Italian or Spanish languages (do not rely too much on automatic translators, like GoogleTranslate: Italian and Spanish languages are sometimes quite hard to render in English). Having access to speeches and documents in their native language is a great help.

    But most of the kikos rage come when some "unauthorized" photo or video come out. For example, you may have noticed that some time ago RMS websites wiped out every Communion-related image. "Unauthorized" means that they first make things public (on youtube and facebook), then attack us because we blogged about their public photos and videos - for example, the one when Kiko asks for "cefale" (Italian term for female mullet fishes), that is, NCW girls to go to "China" to support NCW missions and (literally!) attract young Chinese guys to the NCW "catechesis"... or the one where the lay Kiko says he «exorcized the entire China... sending devils to the Gobi desert».

    Another fun fact: "you are famous, if someone opens a blog against you". We have here some "Diana's" and their NCW-praising blog, fighting against any easily recognizable fact. Italian "Diana's" and "Zoltan's" ("Pasqualone" and "Jeff" and others) use the very same style and words (and lies, and propaganda, and so on) we're reading about here. We wonder why "a gift from God" (the NCW) has such a strong need of hypocrisy and lies.

    Sorry for my poor English.

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  5. "Bernie", are you just plain stupid or what!?!?!?!
    With people like you in the church, we have no need for enemies!
    Perhaps you have no comprehension of what you've been reading here in the Jungle.
    your rhetoric makes no sense whatsoevever. Seriously, you are in denial of the FACTS that are right in front of your face, but noooo, kiko wouldn't lie to you. Wake up and smell the KAKA.
    P.S. the way you people misuse scripture to justify yourselves is really getting to be obnoxious.
    As your cababayans are so fond of saying "Peace!"

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    1. AnonymousJune 13, 2014 at 12:00 AM we have no need of enemies????? This is what this blog promote isn't it? If you fail to comprehend that, stop sniffing paint thinner and read how this blog PROMOTE hate on the Archbishop, RMS Priest and the WAY.

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    2. Hey 9:28. Thanks for stopping by and pumping up the numbers.

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  6. DianaJune 12, 2014 at 10:50 PM

    Dear Anonymous at 7:43 p.m.,

    I do not go to JW too often because most of the time, JW is repetitive. Bernie even pointed out that Tim Rohr posted 16 things on just the "invitation" alone. 16 things on the same subject is too redundant and monotonous.

    and in the same breath the Queen Diana says....

    DianaJune 12, 2014 at 6:52 PM

    Dear Anonymous at 4:45 p.m.,

    I do not know. The last time I checked his blog, I saw a mad bull frothing at the nose. I guess Bernie's comment upset him.

    So much for not coming into the Jungle. But hey let's see if she even posts my response on her blog.


    Kenneth G. San Agustin

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    1. Ken at the same breath it's true.

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  7. Bernie, you know The Davinci Code is just a Hollywood thingy right?

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