Thursday, June 26, 2014

IT'S TIME FOR THIS - (w LINK TO AUDIO)

Most everything that has gone wrong in this archdiocese began here. Our opponents like to cast this off as something that happened a long time ago and should be discarded. We did. But they didn't. They took this as a rallying cry because here is where the Archbishop took sides: THEIRS. And so fortified with Archbishop Apuron clearly siding with them and against the rest of the church, they have marched on...getting everything they wanted. UNTIL NOW!


Here is the link to the audio. 
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Also, a correction. This was not a scheduled interview. More details on how this came about later. Check back.

What follows is an exact transcript. 

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96 comments:

  1. AAA and his two,friends on the hill are the cause of the disunity in this local church. No respect for the priests people, no respect for the Holy See. Archbishop Apuron is unable to lead this archdiocese.

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  2. No respect for the cardinal no respect for the pope. Look at the words closel " I don't know what credential he has". AAA when he knows he is wrong underestimates the person. Archbisjop do you honestly think cardinal Artinze would have been prefect for the congregation if he was not suitable. Here we go again archbishop you have insulted priests and got away with it. Now your exposed. What a fake you are.

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  3. i can see why he didn't want to have it broadcast again!

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  4. I now understand why he continues to remain silent... he spills the beans and then puts his foot in his mouth.

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    1. all insults will be met with humble silence! Copy that.

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    2. Ummm, how does an anonymous person be humble? In fact, if anyone is humble here, it is those of use (very few) who are willing to hold ourselves out for ridicule by actually putting our name to our words. Cowardice is the height of pride. And that would spell DIANA.

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  5. Amazing! How could this man ever have become a bishop in all honesty? This is mind shattering.
    Does he even understand half of what he is saying? The poor one is totally out of his depth.
    Totally brain washed by the psycho kikos..... He cannot even make sense of his own arguments.
    Pathetic!!!!! No wonder he totally bungled the removal of father Paul. To even pretend to be a leader at that point is unbelievable!!! Poor Bishop!!!
    Most of all: Poor Guam!!! to be saddle with such an incapable!

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    1. Most of all, poor Guam, is RIGHT

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  6. Replay of this .

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  7. Disturbing to say the least. The Archbishop seems to demonstrate a poor understanding of the Mass. And based on these statements of the Archbishop, the faithful are justified in voicing concern.

    "Before dealing with the proofs of revelation afforded by the Bible and tradition, certain preliminary points must first be decided. Of these the most important is that the Church intends the Mass to be regarded as a "true and proper sacrifice", and will not tolerate the idea that the sacrifice is identical with Holy Communion." http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10006a.htm

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  8. Archbishop best to resign. But we know you will not. So seven more years of exposing your ways. Every day we will continue this blog until you have gone. Only then is the church safe when you have gone.

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    1. Resign? Sounds like a plan .

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  9. He has requested for an aux bishop of Guam.

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    1. He will still be archbishop. What if auxiliary is NOT neo? What a mess.

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    2. New aux bishop will be neo. Two neo priests will be made bishops end of year. Community was told. Waiting for pope Francis to publish names. One aux to Guam one to Saipan. Guam one will have right of succession. All ready future secure.

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    3. NEO Coajutor, COOL! Can't wait! Now I have a reason to live.

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    4. Anyone with information on 4.53pm. Worrying if correct.

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    5. 4:53 pm would never have that information. Bishops are called the night before the announcement. BS that's all.

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    6. +Adrian Cristobal, Coajutor Bishop of Agana.

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    7. +Adrian Critobal is the choice of the community for coajutor bishop of Guam.
      + David will become the new bishop of Saipan.

      Confirmation expected September. This is from pius who was told by kiko from the pope. Great news for Guam communities.

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    8. What if Auxiliary doesn't want the Seminary? What if he pushes to sell the land and use the proceeds wisely for the good of the whole Church of this part of the Pacific? This would not be a help to the Archbishop. Would be a big hindrance to the master plan, don't you think so???

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    9. Look honey delusional . Have you been drinking kiko juice?

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    10. Apostolic Delegate read.

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    11. Yes, indeed. Apostolic delegate read. Not the funny ones, but how about, for example, @6:17 pm. Yes, Apostolic Delegate, read about how little respect there is for our Chancellor. Pardon a bit of levity.

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  10. Archbishop will not resign he can beyond 75 to at least 80 or 85. Expecting further ten years . May be you need to conform to neo or leave you ass hole 11.37am

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    1. You're certainly a man with an adult faith, 11:59am. A real man of Jesus Christ.

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    2. 11.59am. What kind of a person are you. A living the spiritual life does not use language as you do. Pray your not a seminarian but someone who is just sadly misguided in life. Praying for you.

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    3. Yea me an adult faith. Every sat me at Eucharist I do community sharing in community help archbishop all the time. We friends.

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    4. Bernie said that those inappropriate comments are not from the seminarians. Bernie says they are busy, studying, praying, and many other things and never give in to the distraction of blogging. That settles that. Thank you, Bernie! Thanks for defending Harold. So glad he was honest with you.

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    5. Send the seminarians to st. Patrick's for two years formation. No seminarian from st. Patrick's would act like a rm seminarian.

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    6. How do you know?

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    7. Who is Bernie???

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  11. Sounds very protestant in his argument. I think they give Constantine to much credit. Was he ever Pope? I mean come on.
    Isn't the mass a sacrifice, "the sacrifice", made present to us? In a sense, don't we renew the covenant every time we attend mass?
    Then in typical NCW fashion attack the Cardinal when his message in fact comes from the Pope, so he's actually attacking the Pope.
    And for all you NCW's who keeps telling us to conform to your protestant ways or leave, really? Who do you think is supporting your ass!?
    Majority of you don't even contribute to the parishes you claim to belong to. Neo in Yigo had nothing to do with meeting the quota.

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  12. Eucharist is not a sacrifice . Eucharist is a community meal we all share in. Community meal with our community. Sat eve Eucharist is important.

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    1. Dear David, no catholic priest, I hope, doubts this - father pius

      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: David
      > Sent: 02/25/14 02:24 AM
      > To: pius@cheerful.com
      > Subject: Holy Mass
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      > Fr. Pius,
      > Please relay this quote from the CCC to the Archbishop and all Catholic priests. Mass is...the divine sacrifice of the Eucharist... Not a mere celebration.
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      > CCC paragraph 1068 It is this mystery of Christ that the Church proclaims and celebrates in her liturgy so that the faithful may live from it and bear witness to it in the world:For it is in the liturgy, especially in the divine sacrifice of the Eucharist, that “the work of our redemption is accomplished,” and it is through the liturgy especially that the faithful are enabled to express in their lives and manifest to others the mystery of Christ and the real nature of the true Church.4
      > Thank you,
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      > David
      >

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  13. Sounds protestant to me.

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  14. Lord have mercy. Archdiocese of Guam needs prayer.

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  15. To AnonymousJune 26, 2014 at 4:41 PM. You see this is where your theology is very protestant. the "Eucharist" means thanksgiving. for what? for the sacrifice! Jesus said take and eat. Why because we must eat to fulfill the new covenant. The Mass is not about Paul's "community meal" but about Jesus command in John 6 to eat his flesh and drink his blood to have life, to eat the flesh of the Lamb, the SACRIFICE! of the new and eternal covenant.

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    1. Amen, "5:37 pm

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    2. 5:37pm Thank you! That is the authentic teaching of the Catholic Church about what The Mass is! Kiko's, teachings (naturally) differs because kiko simply had to concoct an explanation of his own in order to start kiko's very own entrepreneural religion.

      Kiko cleverly developed and named it "the way" (short for the ncw) a movement to attract Uncatechized Catholic victims and wayward Catholic victims away from The Authentic Catholic Church; so, wouldn't "the way/kiko" NEED TO HAVE IOWN INVENTED EXPLANATION OF their own new/neo version of the mass?

      It quite obviously appears, then, that the Archbishop on KOLG that day was unsuccessfully attempting to legitimize a very distorted, kikoized -- and quite obviously on the verge of being a heretical --explanation of The Holy Sacrifice Of The Mass.

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  16. Is it true Fr. Adrian been named bishop? Some one just text me breaking news.

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  17. Is chancery announcing the new bishop today. Already on face book.

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  18. Have called priest friend. It not confirmed that Fr. Cristobal has been named bishop of Guam. as of this evening he is not designated Bishop elect + Adrian cristobal.

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  19. Chancery staff member confirmed No episcopal appointment has been made.

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    1. Who replied in the negative, Diana?

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  20. Does Diana know yet??

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  21. Will Bishop Adrian stay at the Neo Cathedral in Barrigada??

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  22. Checked FB. Nothing. But did watch the video about AAA and the Seminarians. NO likes or Comments. Oh, well. A lot of work for nada. Where is that Jungle NOISE coming from? That's wild.

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  23. Let a lot of crap through about next bishop speculation...just for the heck of it. But really, I don't need the extra work. Hold off on the fake comments. I have enough to do. Really.

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  24. Important to LISTEN to Archbishop on KOLG tape. Notice ARCH saying WE, WE, We, discouraging. Speaking disdainfully about RCIA compared to NINE year formation of the Walkers. Pizza be with you. BTW, the placement of the kiss of peace is not the big difference between East and West. Darn you, Constantine.

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  25. RCIA copied from The Way? Document that one, Archbishop.

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  26. It was difficult to listen to the radio link and the jungle sound.

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    1. Agreed... Tim, can you turn off the jungle sounds for a bit? Thanks.

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    2. I have a tape of the Jungle background noise. I'm going to archive it and use it against Tim for revenge in the future, HAAAAAAAAAAAA

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    3. No revenge. Diana said no revenge. Destroy the Jungle Tape now.

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  27. Vatican had the final say but yet the Neo members (like the Archbishop) do not accept because it didn't come from Kiko himself. Archbishop is so full of himself that he even questioned the credentials of one of his superiors...who is not a member of the Way! If he can do this to someone with authority...what more to those under him! He's been brainwashed by this movement....so help him God!

    The Kikos did not want this letter to come out because its embarrassing! Imagine getting reprimanded by the Pope telling them to play by the rules or else!

    Seven years later....Kiko gets reminded again to play by the Church's rules! and the media picked up on this....and to this date....are still not obeying!

    Archbishop....you need to brush up on the CCC, CANON LAWS and GIRM....or you might get spanked too!

    YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD TO FOLLOW THE LITURGICAL BOOKS...NOT KIKOS BOOKS!

    MUST YOU BE REMINDED AGAIN!

    Vatican City, Jan 21, 2012 / 05:15 pm (CNA).- The Vatican’s approval of the Neocatechumenal Way’s forms of “celebration” only applies to non-liturgical prayers within their catechesis and not to the Mass or other liturgies of the Church.

    “With respect to the celebrations of the Holy Mass and the other liturgies of the Church,” communities of the Neocatechumenal Way must “follow the norms of the Church as indicated in the liturgical books – to do otherwise must be understood to be a liturgical abuse,” a Vatican official who requested anonymity told CNA on Jan. 21.

    Pope Benedict XVI met with around 7,000 members of the movement in the Vatican’s Paul VI audience hall on Jan. 20 for an annual event to send families to mission destinations worldwide.

    The invitation issued by the movement to bishops for yesterday’s event stated that “the purpose of this meeting is that His Holiness will sign a Decree from the Congregation of Divine Worship recognizing the full approval of the liturgies of the Neocatechumenal Way.”

    Instead, approval for the non-liturgical practices of the group came by way of another source. It was Pontifical Council for the Laity that issued a decree of approval – after having consulted the Congregation for Divine Worship – for those “celebrations” present in their Catechetical Directory.

    In this process “the Neocatechumenal Way obtained no new permissions whatsoever,” said the official, who is familiar with the approval process for prayers and liturgies.

    “Essentially, the Pontifical Council is only approving these things that are found in the Catechetical Directory of the Neocatechumenal Way, and in no way touches those things contained in the liturgical books.”

    He said that the decree served merely as an assurance that “there is nothing erroneous to the prayers that they use in the context of their catechetical sessions.”

    The Neocatechumenal Way was founded in 1964 in Spain by Francisco “Kiko” Argüello and Carmen Hernández. It draws its inspiration from the practices of the early Catholic Church, providing “post-baptismal” Christian formation in small, parish-based communities. The movement is present all over the world, and has an estimated membership of more than 1 million people.

    TO BE CONTINUED......

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  28. ...CONTINUATION

    Since its foundation, however, the group has been cautioned by the Vatican for inserting various novel practices into Masses organized by the movement. These include lay preaching, standing during Eucharistic Prayer, the reception of Holy Communion while sitting down, as well as the passing of the Most Precious Blood from person to person.

    “The Neocatechumenal Way has no such permission for any of these kinds of things,” said the Vatican official. He claimed that the Vatican still receives complaints about the group’s “non-compliance with the universal norms of liturgy.”

    He added that it should be clear that “yesterday’s decree has nothing to do with the widely seen liturgical innovations of the Neocatechumenal Way,” which “should be stopped immediately because they don't correspond to the law about the way the Mass and the sacraments are to be celebrated.”

    The only exceptions are two permissions granted which allow the group to move the sign of peace to before the presentation of the gifts and also to have communion under both kinds. Even these changes, though, still require the permission of the local bishop.

    “The Church’s liturgy is narrowly defined as the public worship of the Church” such as Mass and the Liturgy of the Hours, the official explained to CNA. Church norms for the liturgy, he said, are “found in the approved liturgical books and the Neocatechumenal Way is bound to observe these no differently than any other group within the Catholic Church.”

    What yesterday’s decree approved are “those things in the Directory not included in liturgical books,” which is “the equivalent of approving the prayers of, for example, the meetings of the Knights of Columbus or of a confraternity or perhaps of the prayers that a group like the Missionaries of Charity pray after Mass.”

    During Pope Benedict's meeting with the movement on Jan. 20, he praised them for helping “those who have already been baptized to rediscover the beauty of the life of faith, the joy of being Christian.”

    He also cited their statutes as he gave them guidelines for the celebration of the liturgy, saying that for members of the Neocatechumenal Way, “the progressive growth in faith of the individual and of the small community should promote their integration into the life of the greater ecclesial community, which finds its ordinary form in the liturgical celebration of the parish, in which and for which the Neocatechumenate is implemented.

    “But also during the way, it is important not to separate oneself from the parish community, and particularly in the celebration of the Eucharist which is the true place of universal unity, where the Lord embraces us in our various states of spiritual maturity and unites us in the one bread that makes us one body.”

    The Statutes of the Neocatechumenal Way were given approval by the Vatican in 2008, while its Catechetical Directory was approved two years later, after consultation with the
    Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

    ***taken from Catholic News Agency...January 21 2012


    FORMER STA BARBARA PARISHIONER

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  29. All these postings about the next bishop are simply attempts to divert the discussion from Archbishop's renounciation of Cardinal Arinze's letter of instructions to kikos.

    Cardinal Arinze is a Papal appointee with the position and title: "Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments"; therefore, the message and instructions that Cardinal Arinze sends carries Papal weight! Why does Archbishop think he has the authority to ignore and denounce Cardinal Arinze?!

    ... and the kikos yell "disrespect! Disrespect of Archbishop" because we point out the Archbishop's own disregard AND disrespect of the Cardinal, thus a disrespect of the POPE? That is twisted!

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  30. Many things are done in the Church for Pastoral reasons. MOST people are not able to attend services that are hours long. That is just a fact. Archbishop tries to back out of his many comments about how NCW celebrations are FULLNESS of the Liturgy. Thank you, Pale' Mike for correcting that ERROR on air. Bernie commented about how the HOSTILE callers were part of a big PLOT against the Archbishop. Mostly the same people always call those KOLG programs. Seriously doubt there was a sinister PLOT. Paranoid. the FULLNESS of Paranoia. Joy.

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    1. The Holy Father Pope Francis did not walk in the Corpus Christi procession this year. Guess that means it was a REDUCTION of Rome Corpus Christi Solemnity, HUH, Di? I'm making this comment here in the Jungle. She won't miss it here.

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    2. Tim, do you know anything about the KOLG plot againt the Archbishop. Were the callers plants? Tell the TRUTH

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    3. "Plants"??? Anon 4:26pm, you are so out of touch. Not only that, but KOLG is run by somebody who is very loyal to the Archbishop. KOLG is his radio station in every sense of the word.

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    4. Bernie said the hostile callers were plants, not me. sheesh The follower of the Archbishop wasn't there that day.

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    5. Sorry 5:56, but it was the "Tell the TRUTH" that seemed to raise suspicion, especially since you didn't add "Bernie said..."

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    6. who is Bernie? Where in the world is Archbishop? My burning questions.

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    7. If you did fax them, hope you signed your cover! What a great idea.

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  31. Father Adrian Cristobal is to be named Coadjutor Bishop of Agana? What are the odds that a priest from the NCW is chosen! We have been asking for a new bishop so that the mess in this archdiocese can be cleared up, but instead, they name another priest who is involved in the drama and loves to play "in the jungle!" If Rome is reading this, please send us a foreign bishop! We don't need a bishop from our island right now! We need someone to come in and clear things up! In the meantime, I pray the Pope and the Congregation for Bishops rethink their decision to appoint Father Adrian Cristobal as bishop. Rumor has it that he has been seeking this position. In the words of Cardinal Marc Ouellet, prefect for the Congregation of Bishops who cautioned that if a priest or a bishop aspires and maneuvers to be promoted to a prominent diocese, “it is better for him to stay where he is.”

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    1. @3:39 pm All I can say is OMG. Tim, thought we were supposed to stop the crap about the new bishop? The Jungle is a natural habitat. This is sort of a zoo.

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    2. Comments of Thursday June 26th 2014 thank you. Important.

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    3. Well, then, welcome. And thanks for the page views. Ya'll come on back now, here?

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    4. No worries about Fr. Adrian becoming bishop. If Rome couldn't bring itself to make him bishop of Saipan, as see that has been vacant now for several years, he surely won't be bishop of Guam. Anyways, he's already very busy being Diana.

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    5. Mr. Rohr has given a service to the church. His loyalty to catholic teaching is admired in Rome.

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  32. Episcopal candidate names are pontifical secrets of the Holy See. It is considered imprudent to speak of a candidate prior to the wishes of the Holy Father informing the apostolic delegate of the particular country who will call the individual priest to meet with the apostolic delegate. To pre announce a priests name being investigated as a possible candidate is a violation of canon law. A pontifical secret is very important . It will slow down the process.

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    1. what process?? We are KIDDING. Diana for Bishop, C'mon. Fax this to Nuncio

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    2. Impossible for Diana to be named bishop of Saipan.

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  33. I faxed all these comments on Adrian to the nuncio.

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  34. Yes I think by logic alone Tim is right. Had Adrian been going to be appointed a bishop it would already have happened. Bishop Tomas camacho was campaigning for him to be appointed bishop of Chalan Kanoa around four years ago. It was prevented for a reason.

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    1. YES, there are reasons. The PROCESS came to an abrubt halt.

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    2. Who are you 9.19pm? Think you may know a lot more than you write. Am I right?

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    3. The truth is like a diamond ,the more you chop it, the brighter it shines. Let the truth prevail.

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    4. Who are you 11.08pm?. 11,08pm

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  35. Saipan will not receive an appointment because of potential legal cases known in Rome.

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  36. Who hell are you 6.32pm

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  37. Service Tim Rohr, bull shit.

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    1. more NCW fruit... lol
      I nominate Fr. Richard Kidd for auxiliary Bishop.

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    2. Richard is nice guy but young. Going over the listings it will be difficult for Rome to name a candidate from withinn the sons of Guam at this point in time. May well need a foreign bishop for a few years to get the situation in order. A solid American Jesuit may well be needed. We will not accept any priest who is a neo that is for sure.

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  38. Fr. Richard will not be bishop now. He does need prayers coming home to this situation in his Diocese. Pray he will be strong!

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  39. Let the truth prevail.

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  40. Cardinal tagle is connecting the dots. Know what I mean?

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  41. Richard will be ok.

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  42. Who ever keeps posting Let the truth prevail . Statement hits home each time. Landscape is forming.

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  43. As I scrolled through the comments I was sorry to see so many "junk" comments have been included because, as Maria pointed out, it creates such a diversion from the REAL discussion, including but not limited to, the Archbishop's renunciation of Cardinal Arinze's letter as mentioned by Maria, but also:
    • His undocumented claim that “the RCIA really copied the modes or the methods of the Way and reduced it to a nine month program”;
    • His open disdain for members of his (nonNCW) clergy in his statement "… not many priests know how to run the RCIA program even today";
    • His contrasting the "FULNESS of the Easter Triduum" as observed by the NCW vs. how the nonNCW churches are "doing what is required by the universal church, WHICH IS FINE" (my emphases);
    • His reference to the NCW "celebration of the Eucharist AS OPPOSED TO a Mass" (my emphasis);
    • His claim that with the NCW “Whenever the Eucharist is celebrated it’s the FULNESS of the Church and the FULNESS of the Mass …”;
    • His disparaging comment of another movement “… it amazes me when they have the Cursillo … how fired they are … then immediately after that weekend they fizzle out …”
    • His consistent use of “WE” (and NOT in the royal sense) — “WE were granted two more years,” “WE were given permissions for variations,” “WE’RE spreading the word around,” “WE do not need to have natural methods of birth control,” etc.; and
    • His compartmentalizing his role as shepherd in response to the caller who said “You as the bishop should be shepherding your people” the Archbishop responded “That’s what I’m doing … the 9:30 Mass Sunday mornings especially” — really, Archbishop your shepherding is done at the 9:30 Sunday Mass and not at other times?

    Fr. Mike is to be commended for reframing the Archbishop’s words to try and mitigate the damage being done not just by his choice of words but also by the less-than-paternal tone he used on many callers. Fr. Mike consistently strived to keep the Archbishop’s image intact even though the listening audience realized that the Archbishop had made it clear to us that there are two factions in the Church — the NCW and the Non-NCW — and he had firmly aligned himself with the NCW.


    PS - On an entirely different note, I must admit that I find it funny that Anonymous (June 27 at 7:00 PM, 11:01PM and June 28 at 9:32 AM) is/are demanding to know the identities of Anonymous at 6:32PM, 9:19PM and 11:08 PM respectively. Why not "respect" the decision of the other person(s) to remain Anonymous since you are also Anonymous? LOL!!

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  44. The use of We, We, We says it all. That's why WE are gathering and becoming informed. We is the Church of Agana. Our Archdiocese.

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