Some one should look at the Sex ABuse Policy for the Archdiocese. It may not be a matter of voluntarily stepping down. They both may be required to vacate until this is resolved. Last I looked the policy wasn't even posted. Does someone have a hard copy? Look and see what it says and then let us know.
Once evidence shows archbishop knew of,the wadeson case prior to the incardination then in conscience he should resign. It raises moral questions about archbishop.
There is evidence that he knew about his case. Prior to any incardinating of a priest, the Bishop is to obtain a legal document of excardination from the previous bishop or a testimonial about his life. If not, the Archbishop did not follow Canon Law 269. On another note, it's ironic how Diana and others are posting canon laws and how we should abide by them when the Archie himself makes his own laws.
Yes. That's quite funny. Heard a steady stream of criticism from them about me being a "by the book, letter of the law, not spirit of the law" Christian when I was referring to Canon Law in the Fr. Paul case. Diana? Yawn.
Correct 12.05pm. If aaa obtained the letter it would have contained the issue in which case aaa knew. if he did not follow canon 269 on the incardination excardination he was violating canon law to suit himself. Chancery I notice use canon law to serve their own interest. I though canon law was for the salvation of all souls. I mean I may not have been the best student but I don't thiink I'm dumb.
By following Tim Rohr on Junglewatch I returned to looking at church documents after many years of not reading. Why. Because if you notice Tim Rohr gives focus to church documents and leading others to focus and understand. This is why this blog is not about Tim Rohr. This blog is about simply acting justly with compassion and love, and doing what the church calls us to do in sacred Scripture and Tradition. If people followed scripture, tradition, and canon law, there would be no need for the problems Guam has. What ever happened to basic respect. Archbisjop Apuron has lost respect for priests and people this is why Guam is in decay. This is why archbishop Krebs has to make a special visit and may well have to return again this year. We are not going away until issues are resolved.
Canon law is for the salvation of souls. When an individual says the " spirit of the law", in my experience they want to turn the law to suit own understanding. A good canon lawyer takes the middle road he looks at the issue based on how it helps the salvation of souls. The question becomes. if I allow a mad man into the diocese how will it help the salvation of the people I am called to lead and serve. Does such an action help them in holiness of life. Or does it prevent individuals from growing in holiness. What I'm saying is, the decisions bishops and priests make have influence on people, which In turn can enhance or damage their path on the journey to salvation. Canon law is for the salvation of souls not for any of us to support our own agenda. The soul, the anima, the life of God, the life of grace working in all of us.
Let us say Father Wadeson did not inform Archbishop Apuron of the problem in La. Today now knowing of this problem Arcbishop Apuron should at least privately ask Father wadeson to not say public Mass until this is resolved. This would be a fair and just response at this time. However, we do need to know the process applied to wadesons incardination into Guam. Incardination is a right of any bishop just as excardinate on is the right of any priest. Most bishops incardinating would wait five years for evaluations from diocesan clergy. Questions we must ask why was this so fast tracked? if archbishop had the knowledge why endanger Guam with possible law suits. Why even bring someone to Guam who may enhance problems.The issues of possible abuse does not concern Guam as it was said to be in La. The issue is why bring this priest to Guam with issues and why fast track incardination. This becomes serious question for Guam priests and Catholics.
11.18am. Well said agree.
Today July 17th . Archbishop Apuron please make a public statement on the wadeson case.
@12:04 Excuse me, what did you say? I can't hear you. Whaaaaat? Say that again? Call me later, ok? Byeeeee! Maybe another day@12:04pm....he's gone. OUT TO LUNCH.
If the archbishop was aware of the alleged allegations against Fr. Wadeson prior to incardinating him, that would make the archbishop's offense and negligence even worse, and he should resign immediately. Immediate restrictions should also be placed on Fr. Wadeson. Please note that is not a trivial matter. This is very very very serious offense and should be accorded as such.
12.31pm. Correct. It is now a question of the moral capacity of the archbishop to leadBishops who make reckless decisions Come to light through cases like Father wadeson.s incardination is what we now know. Are there other in the archdiocese of Agana who are potential dangers to children. This is the immediate concern . The safety of children. Archbishop seems to have endangered children by his own reckless actions evident to readers. We must first know the safety of all people on Guam are safe. Unfortunately we now cannot trust archbishop apuron to be responsible for the safety of children.
The decision by the archbishop to quickly incardinate Fr. Wadeson, a neo priest, without notice, consultation, and investigation because he is a Neo priest clearly substantiates many of the accusations that the archbishop will do anything and everything for his beloved Neo, and damn anyone who stands in his way. This is bad.
The sexual abuse scandal in Los Angeles caused that archdiocese over $6 billion dollars. Our Archbishop Apuron has deliberately put our archdiocese at risk by incardinating Fr. Wadeson, who was part and parcel of that $6 billion settlement package. I agree this is bad.
These victims in LA should now be encouraged to come forward to begin their healing against a Guam priest. Victims need help.
Where was Monsignor David, the Vicar General, in all this? Probably asleep at the wheel as he was with the Fr. Paul ambush.
Monsignor David is taking a nap. Do not disturb.
What makes u think the archbishop didn't know? Do u have proof that he didn't know since your already accusing him of not knowing. Show the proof of your accusation.
No. It's the Archbishop who will have to supply the proof. That was his job from the beginning.
To ANON 1:02 PM, if the archbishop did not know about Fr. Wadeson's past, then he should have; and if he did know, then all the worse because he incardinated Fr. Wadeson anyway! It is like being caught between the rock and a hard place. Either way, the archbishop is screwed!
Seems we always need documents from the archbishop. If people always asking for documents to see the truth. What is this telling us about his leadership. Something is seriously wrong. He is either lacking in administrative skills or he is concealing truth. Every few weeks a new problem breaks out involving archbishop apuron . This is causing emotional and psychological pain to this archdiocese. Do you know priests cannot focus anymore because of this leadership. Do you honestly know the serious problems this archbishop has Caused in the pacific region. He has no interest in healing but he does know he has to do something to dampen the flames .not even an apology from this man for the wrongs of the past 30 years. Nothing. Are you God Archbishop Apuron.
Could be in hot water like Bishop Carlson in US. Just testified he didn't realize abuse is a crime! In 2014.
Ample proofs of the allegations against the accused have been provided, and supported by so many compelling comments. If the accused is indeed innocent as charged, why doesn't he come forward and profess his innocence of the many many charges (not just the Madeson case) that have been levelled against him -- Madeson case, Bryan Quitugua case, Fr Gofigan case, alienation of property [Redemptoris Mater seminary] case, financial statement demand, liturgical violation case, partiality-treatment cases, lack of transparency administration case, lack of leadership charges, etc. etc. etc.? He has been invited to do so MANY MANY TIMES! Why don't we hear from the Archbishop PUBLICLY? WHY?Is it because he does not want to stoop to our level, the level of the "lesser Catholics", not deserving of an answer?? Or is it because he knows he is "guilty as charged" and better not upset the apple cart any more than it has been upset? Archbishop, the apple cart HAS BEEN UPSET; the beans have been spilled. What is your next move? SUGGESTION: RESIGN NOW, or (using your own words) "face a more painful and arduous closure", should other remedies need to be invoked. God bless you, Brother Tony. May you be enlightened to do the right and honorable thing. R-E-S-I-G-N!
Here's your answer. Inside Chancery sources say that Archbishop brags: "No one can get me." He knows only the pope can fire him. So then it's up to us. Let me know when you guys are ready to start using your names.
Oh yes, someone can and will get him: God. Brag all he wants, but in the end, we all must pay for our transgressions. Apuron will be no different.
Tim 2.39pm sad but correct.
So Archbishop Anthony Sablan Apuron sits up at the Chancery with his minions and laughs at all of us, feeling smug because too many are afraid to oppose him openly, preferring to conceal their identities … For the record: I am Mary Lou Garcia-Pereda and I am ready to fight the War for the Survival of the Church in Guam for the sake of my Grandchildren. Although, like many others, I'm concerned about the lack of financial transparency in this Archdiocese, the inadequate formation of the RMS presbyters, the knowledge that the Archbishop is merely a pawn for Kiko Argüello, et al. and acts as a rubber stamp for all they want, etc., the real reason I am willing to fight is to preserve the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, according to the Roman Rite, in our parishes. I am not willing to let Archbishop Anthony Sablan Apuron replace the Roman Rite with his preferred NCW pseudo-liturgy where people sit, as at a banquet, to receive their version of Holy Communion and/or accept the Lutheran-inspired NCW "doctrines" without question. I want my Grandchildren to grow up in the AUTHENTIC One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ, not in the pseudo-church established by wannabe pope Kiko Argüello.Per Edmund Burke, "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." There are a lot of good people who read and submit comments to JungleWatch … but as long as it is all done from the sidelines and/or anonymously, Archbishop Anthony Sablan Apuron will continue to do the work as directed by Kiko Argüello and push the NCW into every parish on Guam.
Watch meltdown in Minneapolis/St. Paul. Scandals? CAN touch you and bring you down to your knees, Archbishop. The buck stops with YOU. RESPONSIBILITY.
A quick aside....does anyone have any information on the outcome(s) of the meeting of Kiko and Pope Francis the other day? I've heard rumors that the Pope reinforced his previous "recommendations" and even mentioned that there are many bishops who would close the NCW out of their diocese on account of the liturgical variations and threats to unity. The silence speaks. Would like to know more. In the meantime, here is a new icon from Kiko. "Our Lady Spatial". Go figure. I'm not sure what the black outfit and black sun is intended to signify?http://www.iknearte.com/catalog/images/all_thumb/madonna-spaziale-icona-kiko-comunit--640x480-48eec-watermark.png
has a watermark to make sure no liturgical art lover of Kiko Kreations copies it and frames it for community!
Looks like sad Muslim girl. Poor Kiko, must be depressed painting in black, wearing black.
2.18pm Pope only can remove him.
http://www.snapnetwork.org/ca_twice_accused_los_angeles_priest_now_working_on_guam_victims_respond?recruiter_id=33428CA- Twice accused Los Angeles priest now working on Guam; Victims respondFor immediate release: Friday, July 18, 2014Statement by Joelle Casteix of Newport Beach, CA, 949-322-7434 cell, email@example.comWe are shocked to learn that a Los Angeles priest from Los Angeles - accused twice of molesting children - now works as a priest on Guam. We strongly urge Guam Catholic officials to oust him.Fr. John Wadeson, has been named in LA archdiocese records and in news reports as a twice accused predator priest. Because those allegations were deemed “credible” by church officials, he is not allowed to present himself as a priest anywhere in the Archdiocese of LA. Despite this, Guam Archbishop Anthony Sablan Apuron is letting Fr. Wadesono work and act as a priest. Apuron also lets Fr. Wadeson travel to other dioceses, including Honolulu.Although Fr. Wadeson has not been convicted of abuse, the fact that the Archdiocese of Los Angeles has banned him from ministry is just cause for Apuron to remove the cleric immediately. We fear that Apuron is putting Guam's children at direct risk and protecting a credibly accused predator instead of protecting his flock.We urge Apuron to immediate remove Fr. Wadeson from ministry and make public announcements about Fr. Wadeson at every parish where he has worked or celebrated Mass, begging anyone who may have seen, suspected or suffered crimes or misdeeds by Fr. Wadeson to step forward, get help, call police, protect others and start healing.We also want Apuron to explain to parishioners that Fr. Wadeson has been accused of abuse by two children and is banned from the Archdiocese of Los Angeles. We also beg Los Angeles Archbishop Jose Gomez to immediately tell Apuron about the risks that Fr. Wadeson poses. As a powerful Archbishop, Gomez can easily use his power and influence to ensure that Fr. Wadeson can never work as a priest again.Finally, we applaud whistleblowers in the Archdiocese of Hagatna, who are working steadfastly to ensure that Fr. Wadeson is removed and his past is exposed.(SNAP, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, is the world’s oldest and largest support group for clergy abuse victims. We’ve been around for 25 years and have more than 20,000 members. Despite the word “priest” in our title, we have members who were molested by religious figures of all denominations, including nuns, rabbis, bishops, and Protestant ministers. Our website is SNAPnetwork.org)
The problem is with the Neo is that Wadeson probably confessed publicly in front of his Neo community and he was forgiven. Good for the 500 Neo followers but what about the other 100,000 or more non Neo faithful.