Wednesday, February 19, 2014

NEWS FLASH: GUAM ARCHITECTS NOT GOOD ENOUGH

Anonymous February 19, 2014 at 11:30 AM

San Juan Diego Pastoral Center, Santa Rita Guam
from Archdiocese of Agana, Guam 3 months ago NOT YET RATED

Found this by chance....guess who is the architect? A Francesco Genarinni from New York. Guess our money is going to same family. What the "H" is going on. Seems that the church needs a NEO ARCHITECT, ENGINEER etc to build a churches. It seems to me that the NEOS take care of themselves first. Unless you are in the circle, you amount to nothing. MAKE the GENARINNIS RICH. Before you know it they will have full control of ALL the ARCHDIOCESE property on island. FOOLS we are !



Listen to the conversation with Genarinnin here and all the other BS!



San Juan Diego Pastoral Center, Santa Rita Guam from Archdiocese of Agana, Guam on Vimeo.

Get your barf bag before you listen. People of Santa Rita. Get ready to be screwed...if not already. It's called a "pastoral center", but that is a Trojan horse. It is a specifically neo-space.


Apparently people are "not welcome" in your church, so they're going to build you a new one where people will feel welcome. That's what he says. 


Note: Gotta love the irony of comparing the nearly 800 year old Leaning Tower of Pisa with the current Santa Rita church building. If nothing else, it defeats the purpose of the "scare" since the tower has been there for 800 years and hasn't fallen yet. Oh well. (You'll see. Watch the video.)

And "God willing", your new church will be complete with Kiko's icons. And, of course, no CRUCIFIX in your new church.



Including the following as a postscript. The original can be found in the comments below:

     Having been in the NCW for quite a while, this video was a reminder of how controlled the environment is. You could almost say it is incestuous. Everything in the NCW comes from NCW sources. From the crucifix speakers clutch for drama, to the carpets used, individual crucifixes, iconographic art, and even the chairs, those clear plastic ones that will surely grace the Santa Rita Pastoral Center if erected. All of it has the NCW name to it, and most of it goes to Kiko. Quite a conglomerate he has built up.
     To listen to the younger Gennarini, he has the speech down perfectly. He has designed many seminaries for the new evangelization (code for NCW), where many presbyters will be sent from to the world (just cannot get himself to use the word priest). And of course, this pastoral center will be where the people gather to celebrate the Eucharist (wouldn't dare use the word Mass, or worse yet, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass). Note that this new building is nothing more than $2 million spent so the NCW will not have to lower themselves to dance in a real Church. 
     While still in, I know that Barrigada also wanted to build a pastoral center, as did Chalan Pago. Quite an expense, well over $6 million in these three parishes alone, so that the NCW can operate outside the Church, while still looking like a part of the Church. As more of these "presbyters are ordained, look to see more millions poured into more parishes, so they can worship in these separate spaces. 
     Fr Alberto wanted a grand pastoral center which could house the parish priests plus at least three additional guests. How nice it would be if us poor folks could build a dream home to include all kinds of extras...wants and not needs. But the reality is we must live by a budget. But I guess this is not true for the Archbishop and his precious presbyters, since they will just extract whatever funds necessary from the Archdiocesan Annual Appeal.
     I like how Francesco compared himself to St Francis of Assisi because Francesco also felt a calling to rebuild the Church. His history is a little off though since when Jesus spoke to St Francis from the cross and asked him to rebuild the Church, Jesus was not speaking of the structure, but the people that needed help. Francesco needs a new catechesis!
     Francesco, laughably, shows the foundation of the apostle Peter's home, and then shows how his home is like the Neo style of worship with the altar in the middle. Is he implying that Peter was a NeoCat? LOL! But he does say early on in his diatribe that he wants to follow the Vatican II in restoring sacred space. Did Vatican II move the alter toward the center of the Church? It thought their idea was to move it away from the wall so the priest (not presbyter) could face the people. That seems to be the way all non-Neo churches have been built. Again, another example of creative history rewriting.
     Lastly, he boasts about the Domus Galilaeae. If you really want to see where that money collected in the trash bags and scrutinies goes, look at this place! www.domusgalilaeae.org
     This would be MY dreamhome, if I were allowed to dream that large. Interesting Kiko quote from the end of a section on that web page "Aesthetic", Kiko says:"The project of Domus Galilaeae and the tent where the Pope celebrated the Eucharist on March 24th on the Mount of Beatitudes, are an attempt to rediscover architectural and iconographic shapes that may help to reintroduce beauty into the life of the Church." Sad, but true, most NCWs believe the life of the Church has lost its beauty. But most of us can see it everytime we gather as a parish. That is why I remain...

Glad to be back in Holy Mother Church 

87 comments:

  1. Didn't watch the whole thing...
    Why does everyone from the NCW sound like a certain Priest....
    And why can't we hire our own local architects who know our culture and history, are they not good enough? Or is this just a way to "keep it in the family"

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    1. Well I sure hope this architect is registered to do business on Guam and is licensed by rev and tax also.

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    2. Oh, that can be arranged I guess. How on earth can all these visas be issued neos going to all the far flung places on earth? 38 or so student visas for Guam? If God is for you, who can be against?? Every stone for Santa Rita will be signed by KIKO. HE MIGHT COME TO GUAM

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    3. Visa expedited through the chancery.

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  2. This is absolutely sickening!!! He failed to mention his other credential as Neo minion. This guy is awfully presumptuous with all his talk of "proper formation". People of Santa Rita yute I basula (throw the trash) and give to the Neo to transform your no good place you spiritually dead nothings!

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    1. Glad to be Back to Holy Mother ChurchFebruary 19, 2014 at 4:43 PM

      Having been in the NCW for quite a while, this video was a reminder of how controlled the environment is. You could almost say it is incestuous. Everything in the NCW comes from NCW sources. From the crucifix speakers clutch for drama, to the carpets used, individual crucifixes, iconographic art, and even the chairs, those clear plastic ones that will surely grace the Santa Rita Pastoral Center if erected. All of it has the NCW name to it, and most of it goes to Kiko. Quite a conglomerate he has built up.
      To listen to the younger Gennarini, he has the speech down perfectly. He has designed many seminaries for the new evangelization (code for NCW), where many presbyters will be sent from to the world (just cannot get himself to use the word priest). And of course, this pastoral center will be where the people gather to celebrate the Eucharist (wouldn't dare use the word Mass, or worse yet, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass). Note that this new building is nothing more than $2 million spent so the NCW will not have to lower themselves to dance in a real Church. While still in, I know that Barrigada also wanted to build a pastoral center, as did Chalan Pago. Quite an expense, well over $6 million in these three parishes alone, so that the NCW can operate outside the Church, while still looking like a part of the Church. As more of these "presbyters are ordained, look to see more millions poured into more parishes, so they can worship in these separate spaces. Fr Alberto wanted a grand pastoral center which could house the parish priests plus at least three additional guests. How nice it would be if us poor folks could build a dream home to include all kinds of extras...wants and not needs. But the reality is we must live by a budget. But I guess this is not true for the Archbishop and his precious presbyters, since they will just extract whatever funds necessary from the Archdiocesan Annual Appeal.
      I like how Francesco compared himself to St Francis of Assisi because Francesco also felt a calling to rebuild the Church. His history is a little off though since when Jesus spoke to St Francis from the cross and asked him to rebuild the Church, Jesus was not speaking of the structure, but the people that needed help. Francesco needs a new catechesis!
      Francesco, laughably, shows the foundation of the apostle Peter's home, and then shows how his home is like the Neo style of worship with the altar in the middle. Is he implying that Peter was a NeoCat? LOL! But he does say early on in his diatribe that he wants to follow the Vatican II in restoring sacred space. Did Vatican II move the alter toward the center of the Church? It thought their idea was to move it away from the wall so the priest (not presbyter) could face the people. That seems to be the way all non-Neo churches have been built. Again, another example of creative history rewriting.
      Lastly, he boasts about the Domus Galilaeae. If you really want to see where that money collected in the trash bags and scrutinies goes, look at this place!
      www.domusgalilaeae.org
      This would be MY dreamhome, if I were allowed to dream that large. Interesting Kiko quote from the end of a section on that web page "Aesthetic", Kiko says:"The project of Domus Galilaeae and the tent where the Pope celebrated the Eucharist on March 24th on the Mount of Beatitudes, are an attempt to rediscover architectural and iconographic shapes that may help to reintroduce beauty into the life of the Church." Sad, but true, most NCWs believe the life of the Church has lost its beauty. But most of us can see it everytime we gather as a parish. That is why I remain...
      Glad to be back in Holy Mother Church

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    2. Amen, Alleuia! We are happy that you are back!. Thank you for shedding some light for us all. If it's not too personal, why did you join and what made you leave? .

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    3. Glad to be Back to Holy Mother ChurchFebruary 19, 2014 at 5:35 PM

      Dear Archbishop:

      OMG - it is amazing how you lied to us with such a straight face. You look so sincere, and as our ArchBishop we should be able to believe everything you say. Many still do.

      After looking at the video Mr Rohr posted regarding the Santa Rita Pastoral Center, there was also a video to promote the 2013 Archdiocesan Annual Appeal, fka CCA. It pops up at the end of the video conference. If you want to see what an accomplished liar the Archbishop has become over so many years of practice, go to this promo. You can also see the misguided beliefs of our seminarians who have lost all ability at objective viewpoints.
      At about 2:00 in the video, Gabriel Camacho, younger brother to Fr Luis Camacho, says that vocations are "very much diminishing".

      We see how Fr Paul was treated and wonder if this is why. But look further. It goes to a dark plot by the Neo to keep all other vocations not coming from the NCW out of the priesthood. This is diabolical! Junee Valencia is removed from the RMS Seminary and sent to seclusion all by himself, as the Archbishop hopes this will break his will and ruin his spirits. Thank God Junee still persists! Aaron Quitugua wants to become a priest but the Archbishop refuses to sponsor him at a non-Neo seminary. Aaron actually wants to forever remain a priest of the Archdiocese without having to abandon his people and go off to Asia or elsewhere. He cannot do this if he goes to RMS Yona. You should see, Gabriel, vocations are alive and well outside the Neo. How many young men are currently under formation with the Capuchins? Quite a few. It would appear to the average observer that vocations on Guam seem to be doing pretty good, contrary to the words of wisdom from young Gabriel.

      But this effort to kill vocations coming outside the Neo is nothing new. It has been going on for a decade, turning away anyone but those from a "community". Fr Adrian has been turning away potential priests for many years because he could see that foreign lands would provide Guam with enough Neo priests, so there is no need to consider any extra applications to the priesthood. This is fact! BTW Fr Adrian, where are the applications for the 20 or so men and about 20 women who want to pursue their calling. We remember that you alone collected their info at Ypao Beach. Where are these at? What are you doing as vocations director to flourish the call within them, or do you want them to wither on the vine like countless others?

      Quite disgusting, quite disturbing, and quite unholy.

      There is a reason why the Big Three are staying so quiet, because they can no longer deny the truth that is being revealed by so many, so they hope that time will pass and we will all forget the grave sins committed by these three.

      Back to the Big Lie ...

      to be continued

      Out of the NCW and Glad to be back in Holy Mother Church

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    4. Glad to be Back to Holy Mother ChurchFebruary 19, 2014 at 5:41 PM

      Dear Archbishop:

      Back to the Big Lie, and the AAA 2013 promo...

      The Archbishop is very proud to boast that 7 local men are at RMS in Yona and the total at RMS is 41. And then at about 2:28 of the video, with the straightest of faces, he says "every single one, if ordained, will be priests serving our Archdiocese of Agana." Really? Let's see...how many priests of ours are gone, serving other dioceses? Fr John Wadeson, Fr Ed Gallagher, Fr Santiago Flor, Fr Fabio Faiola, Fr Jason Granado, Fr Edwin Bushu, Fr Art Stoia. That's seven of our priests gone. And how many of our young Chamorro men in the Neo have been sent to other RMS seminaries, not allowed to be ordained at home, and never to serve their beloved Guam again? Yet less than a year ago, in order to assure people that our hard earned contributions would not be used to train priests to be sent off island, you assured us that every single priest would serve here in Guam. LIAR, LIAR, LIAR! How many more of these priests, formed with our Guam contributions, will be sent out on mission this year? How many will be sent next year, and the year after that. How many more of your non-Neo priests will be persecuted, shut out, and disrespected so you can grow the Neo-Priest population on Guam, and then say, "See, hardly any local vocations, except through this "New Evangelization"?

      What else will you tell us. Unfortunately, even if it should be true, we could not believe you because your track record proves that truth is rare, and only present when convenient. You have no more credibility. Whatever pastoral skills you have would best be spent serving the presbyters of the NCW in foreign lands. The sooner you leave the sooner this outcry will end. Should it continue to go this way, with you being caught in lie after lie, then there will be no place in the world where you can escape your soiled reputation.

      You are currently on Neo business in Israel. Perhaps rather than coming back to Guam you can head directly to Asia along with Fr Pius. Plenty of your Neo people have keys to your home on the hill, they can pack your essentials and send them to you.

      We will no longer tolerate your dishonest management of our precious Church. May God treat you mercifully.

      Out of the NCW and Glad to be back in Holy Mother Church

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    5. http://vimeo.com/59727656

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    6. "Glad to be back..." raises a really important point that needs to be made explicitly on this blog. Our anger about the NCW situation on Guam does not arise exclusively or even mostly from the mere presence of this heretical sect here on Guam. Rather, it is clear now that the archbishop is attempting (with great success) to destroy the traditional Catholic Church on Guam as part of a strategy to drive the disappointed and bewildered faithful into the beckoning arms of the NCW. The archbishop's eventual goal, of course, is to replace the Catholic Church on Guam with the NCW. I wonder how many of the faithful have been lost and how many souls have been shattered by this effort.

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  3. He accidentally referred to Fr. Cabin as "Fabio". Are all those pictures Kiko's?

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    1. Sorry Spell check...Fr. Fabio as "Fabio".

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  4. Have you seen some of the Churches here on Guam? Is like four corner of concrete slab and that's it. I've been in Michigan, Jerusalem and Europe. The Churches are artisticly beautiful. You need love to built things and I believe the service is free. Your money stays in our parishes. Nothig touch = ).

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    1. Yes, I have. Most of the modern ones are ugly: circus tents, garages, and boxes. Shame on us for allowing that kind of thing. But we can blame that on the 60's and 70's. But this isn't a church or a pastoral center it is a "Neocatechumenary" or something like that. The speaker uses the word a couple of times.

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    2. Even if my parish church is considered "ugly" it does not bother me. The mere fact the the Blessed Sacrament is present is what matters.

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    3. Yes. But we shouldn't purposely build churches that make us wonder what it is. Traditional churches are in a cruciform style for a reason. The building itself was meant to instruct.

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    4. Los Angeles Cathedral? Like?

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    5. My parish church was built in the 60s but it is very beautiful because the people were strong and faithful Catholics. Every stone was a labor of love. This neocathecumanary is not borne of that same solidarity but one of division. It is not meant for all the faithful but a select few.

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  5. Parishioners of Santa Rita, you have the right to insist on getting your voices heard! From what I see of this architect's style, your Catholic Parish Church will not have any appearance of a Church nor a style of religious architecture that we can relate to here on Guam! Insist on hiring a local architect who knows our culture and would be able to provide an architectural style suitable to our culture and our traditional Church needs and not a foreign architecture suitable for and convenient to neo ways!! Speak up Santa Rita Parishioners!

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  6. This is not the only outrageous Neo specific plan for Guam. The Nuncio knows. Fr. Fabio is gone. a young man in his twenties cannot undertake this project. It is being planned and executed from afar. Is this the desire of parishioners? Doubt it. It is indeed astonishing so many followers have the exact manner of speaking. Emulation the highest form of praise.

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  7. Cost estimate, please.

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  8. If you had listened closely, Genarinni mentioned that they are also involved in the design and building of seminaries. You all know which ones, the Redemptorist Mater Seminary wherever. Thais family does have a hold on the church, but people are so blinded to see it.

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  9. Why was this video made? The $75 million estimate of the seminary and it's grounds would certainly cover the structural problems in the wearing tear of all the churches on Guam

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  10. Tim, this post will put pageviews of junglewatch over the population of Guam very soon. Wake up people. What is happening here. God help us.

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  11. Is this what was sold to the parishioners of Our Lady of Guadalupe? I don't remember hearing this very important detail (being neo-centric and kiko-cized) when it was being promoted through the fundraising. Very deceptive and manipulative!

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  12. This endeavor of course is 100% backed by the Archdiocesan Finance Council? Is this what the people of Santa Rita want? Do they even have a clue?

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    1. NOTE: If so, then it is by the NEW finance council. Not the one which objected to the giving away of the seminary property and got themselves all fired for doing so.

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    2. I don't think they fundraised enough so the Arch Finance Council probably approved a loan for SR.

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  13. Is the president of Finance council NCW brother?

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    1. FINANCE COUNCIL:
      Rev. Msgr. David C. Quitugua, JCD
      Rev. Mr. Dominic Kim,
      Mr. John Weisenberger,
      Mr. Danny Quichocho,
      Mr. Sonny Ada,
      Mrs. Marilyn Megofna

      FINANCE OFFICER:
      Rev. Mr. Dominic Kim
      Phone: (671) 562-0011/472-6116
      FAX: (671) 477-3519
      Email: dkim@archagana.org

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    2. The itinerary must be pretty demanding for a man who is on every board on the island

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    3. Know for a fact the Sonny Ada, Danny Quichocho and Msgr. David C. Quitugua are super NEOS.

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    4. May be a civil lawsuit, against the finance committee (as a group and as individuals) for mismanagement, illegal 'use of funds and so on, by a group of catholic faithful on Guam would uncover the nitty gritty of this fleecing of the island's Catholic Church.
      Even if it does not go to trial, you can imagine the treasure trove of info from the discovery process....

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    5. We know that Ada, Quichocho and Quitugua are neos; Kim is a "yes" man, but where do Weisenburger and Megofna stand and will they be independent thinkers committed to our Traditional Faith or potential "yes" individuals to the archbishop, as well?

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    6. I don't know what our legal rights are with something like this. The Catholic Church is "Archbishop of Agana, A Corporation Sole..." which basically means the Arch can practically do as he pleases, within the realms of Canon Law. A Lawsuit may be costly, so off we go to write to the Nuncio.

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    7. to Anonymous 6.26pm , That sounds like arguments from the Chancery.....uummh...
      Don't worry about cost, there are many lawyers ready to work pro bono on this one....
      Yes the Nuncio has been warned, but all are encouraged to write.
      Where there is a will there is a way (no puns intended). This is why the Chancery is worried.... Got served by Father Paul's lawyers yet????
      PS: Corporations can also be audited by the tax bureau and the Feds if there are any suspicions. The fruits of these investigations can be very interesting..... May be we should also write to the tax bureau and the feds?

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    8. By the way, we are not alone:
      Http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com

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    9. As corporate sole, the archbishop acts as a trustee on behalf of the faithful of the archdiocese. If he misuses trust assets (i.e., assets that belong to the archdiocese) he can be held to account in a civil action in the Superior Court of Guam.

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    10. Anonymous (February 19, 2014 at 6:00 PM): In response to your question “… where do Weisenburger [sic] and Megofna stand …”: According to http://www.aganaarch.org/diocesan-offices/archdiocesan-offices-and-chancery-staff/, Mr. John Weisenberger’s wife, Mrs. Elizabeth A. Weisenberger, is identified as “Secretary to the Archbishop.”

      That being noted, Mr. Weisenberger may be an independent thinker as was former AFC member Mr. Richard Untalan who was a member of the Archbishop’s Neo Community and still opposed him. Only time will tell.

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  14. The Barrigada parish has been trying for years to build what they called a "pastoral center" as well. It's just a fancy word for a Neo center where they will celebrate their own liturgy's. It looks very simliar to the one being proposed in Santa Rita as well as how it looks all over the world. There's nothing "Catholic" about it. How very sad.

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  15. This is total BS!! We have very very good Architects here already. They contribute to the local economy and now this Archbishop of Guam hires someone from New York? This Archbishop clueless about respecting Guam's people so now I won't respect him, the Archbishop of Guam any longer.

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  16. Anyone from Santa Rita out there? Would like to hear your thoughts. Not the Neo ones please. Will the real Slim Shady please stand up.

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  17. As they say, "sleepy Santa Rita". Look around and see what The WAY is erecting in your midst! Let your voices be heard loud and clear. Clarify if this is what you prayed for before it is too late. What progress has been done already.

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  18. This is why we Faithful Catholics need to get our heads out of the sand! Our silence is defening! Our silence is not only enabling a neo take-over thru our neo puppet archbishop, but our silence is basically handing over to the neos our Catholic Faith on a silver platter with a loud and clear statement saying: "here is our Traditional Catholic Faith; do with it as you please! "... and by the way, we welcome the neo heresies, practices and their irreverent ways you treat The Sum and Summit of our Cattholic Faith-- The Real Presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist, at Holy Communion!"

    Is this how we want to see our Catholic Faith degenerate and disintegrate to? Stand up Santa Rita Catholic Parishioners, for the preservation of our Catholic Faith as taught by Jesus Christ and not by kiko! Our silence gives them the license and freedom toward a heretical take over of Santa Rita and Our Lady of Guadalupe and then the whole island of Guam!

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  19. An Invitation to Joy?

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    1. An invitation to happiness.... Spoke with a couple of Neo catechumen away walkers and believe me they are not happy. The catechist have found their way into their personal lives and they are foolish to listen to them they are really suffering. The advice is very harmful.

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    2. Not advice, MIND CONTROL.

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  20. Francesco Gennarini works with Mattia del Prete, and so does Anna Gennarini. Mattia del Prete works on Neo projects all around the world, often with Kiko as a design consultant. And ALL of his church-related buildings are filled with Kiko art.

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  21. The Santa Rita Parish is DOOOOMED!

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  22. Nice I like it as long is not muslim mosque. Just saying.

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    1. Friend, it may as well be. Nothing of it is Catholic. It is Kikofied from top to bottom.

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  23. Relax! The Santa Rita plan beats the old Kiko design oh the spaceship. This new bomb shelter style designed by Albert Speer will great for typhoon shelter all will be welcomed

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  24. According to the Umatuna Si Yu'os, this Pastorial Center is supposed to house the Parish priest of Santa Rita and to hold CCD classes for students. Nothing is said about using it for celebrations of the Neocats.

    http://umatuna.org/blessed-diego-pastoral-center

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  25. What is the name video says San Juan Diego umatuna says bl. Diego Luis San vitores...?????

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    1. Yah. I believe the U Matuna, seeing the name "Diego" jumped to the conclusion that it was our own Blessed Diego. It is not. It is named after Saint Juan Diego, who was the person to whom the Virgin Mary appeared in the apparition that became known as Our Lady of Guadalupe, which is of course the name of the parish.

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  26. I'm sure all the other Neo churches will be asking for money to build "pastoral centers" soon. If we can't even afford to maintain our churches now why should we fork out money to pay the Neos to build "pastoral centers" for themselves?

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    1. Glad to be Back to Holy Mother ChurchFebruary 20, 2014 at 8:54 AM

      I recall scuttle from before that the seminary itself is planning a huge project...a Chapel of the Word, or some such thing. Anyone hear about this? It is supposed to cost over $2million, and will be used for seminarians and others (call that Neos) for their weekly breaking of the word. But since the seminarians all belong to communities, they will celebrate the Word with their communities, at those pesky pastoral centers. So maybe it will be used for daily prayers, etc. Either way, if you have been to Yona and wandered up to the fourth floor, you will see that they have done a beautiful job remodeling this once hotel into a seminary. They have a wonderful library on the fourth floor, and right next door they have a huge chapel. I have been there for several celebrations, and it seems to fit their needs very well. Why do they need to build a separate building when a chapel already exists that fits their needs. It even has the "table" in the middle.
      This seems like a huge waste of money, money that could be better spent on things we don't have but truly need.
      And how much do you want to bet that the Genarinni's and Mattias are involved in the architechure and design? I doubt that this is free. These people always make sure they get a handsome cut, maybe they discount it by 10%, but the price was probably inflated to begin with. I guess this spend-thrift attitude is why the Annual Appeal is now mandatory for all Catholics. I wonder how much has been assessed to each Neo Community...oh yeah, they are not required to giive to this appeal! Hmmmmmmm.

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    2. I saw smoke in your Tipi. Everything you say is speculation, how do you know it came from your donation. Your dellusional, I'm not even part of the Way that statement I DO NOT agree. Why we can't afford it? cuz I don't give enough for collection. What? a dollar or two????? Your Delusional! Every person has every right to their own OPINION. This one, I do not agree.

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    3. 2-20-14 9AM: You are right, everyone is entitled to their opinion; but based on the facts that has been uncovered and revealed (with much more obviously on its way to its being revealed), the majority of individuals coming to this blog do not share your opinion since you don't come bearing documents and proofs -- just words and personal opinions!

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    4. We should not have to fork out to sustain neos! To address neos asking monies from parishioners and non-neo Catholics, a simple solution would be just not to give to GENERAL DIOCESAN FUNDRIASERS OR APPEALS OR, be specific with our contributions to (A) The Diocese -- specifically address your contributions toward things like: local, Guam resident sons seeking non-neo Seminarian formation; for diocesan prison or hospital Chaplaincy program; toward Diocesan's Parish CCD teachers' trainings, etc. AND, (B) to our Parishes – specify as: for Sunday Church flowers; Parish CCD or adult formation; maintenance and cleaning; Parish Fiesta; utilitiy expenses, etc. thus, parish needs will always be met and not shortchanged because a portion of Sun. collecttions automatically goes to diocese You get the idea, Faithful Catholics? ... and we might go further to stipulate that we do not want our diocesan contribution to go toward neo-seminarians nor neo expenses specifically or generally.

      The neos can and should fund their own “way” NOT RELY on Parish funds! Neos should purchase real estate property just as Parishes do when that need arises and as everyone else does. To exist on Guam, neos need to be self-sustaining and fein for themselves, not free-load on the back of Faithful Catholic Parishioners. Neos then, can exist as an independent and separate movement or religion exactly the way other Protestant religions on Guam independently exist on this island! After all, neo teachings contradict Catholic Teachings -- kiko's way, then, can't be authentic Catholicism!

      The mere fact that archbishop may have signed over, deeded over (whatever he did to turn over to neos the Yona property) indicates that the neos are not members of this Diocese but a separate entity or corporation unto themselves; therefore, neos should not be GIVEN Parish property nor be allowed to freely build neo buildings on parish property nor use parish buildings or rooms without renting or purchasing from a Parish!

      Archbishop, your actions of freely giving or enabling neos to acquire parish or diocesan property may have satisfied a legal loop hole, but your actions are morally and ethically wrong and you know it. Diocesan property and real estate BELONG TO THE FAITHFUL CATHOLICS OF GUAM and not your personal property to give away or do with it as you please!

      Firing the bonafide and legitimate Finance Committee members WHO WERE MORALLY RIGHT TO LOOK OUT FOR THE FAITHFUL CATHOLICS OF GUAM and for this Dioceses’ properties, just does not cut it and is very telling of your personal, unethical agenda, archbishop!

      We commend and thank these finance members WHO, INSTEAD OF DECEITFULLY CONFORMING to your ethically wrong doings as “yes men” to you archbishop, they were instead, honest and upright and were trying to do their duty to watch out for us, Catholic Faithful! You, archbishop, as an individual are a Catholic, First; and in your role and responsibility as a Shepherd YOU ARE PRIMARILY A SERVANT OF THE CATHOLIC FAITHFUL OF GUAM, TASKED TO LOOK OUT NOT ONLY FOR OUR SPIRITUAL NEEDS BUT also to PRESERVE DIOCESAN PROPERTY, ETHICALLY AND RESPONSIBLY! Your membership in the neo movement should come last and should not influence how you regard OR TREAT non-neo Clergy and non-neo Faithful Catholics!

      You have caused a scandal archbishop, and we are outraged over your actions! Has your culpability because of your doings in our Catholic Diocese ever crossed your mind? “For what does it profit a man, if he gain the whole world and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?” Mt.16:26

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    5. I honestly can say when I attended the RMS's Christmas Concert I heard FROM the Archbishop the purchase of that LAND did not come out from the ARCHDIOCESE, a BENAFACTOR a RICH one paid in full for the purchase of this PROPERTY. It came from his mouth in 2007 I think. It sound like AnonymousFebruary 20, 2014 at 1:01 PM Jealousy is at hand, it sounds like a middle child that needs a hug. That feeling what makes me laugh that need attention. In the military I learn, you have a problem from your CO or XO, you bring it up directly instead kicking and screaming like a child. So be a MAN or girl and invite him for lunch and talk with him. I did but my situation is far diffrent. I'm pretty sure he'll listen. Pray for you and GOOD LUCK.

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    6. Yes. And 2 points:
      1. The donor was NEVER supposed to be identified, which unfortunately the Archbishop did, and as a result, hurt the people who facilitated the donation.
      2. The donation was given so that the Archdiocese could acquire the property and resell in order to get out of debt and provide for the future of the archdiocese. It was never meant to be itself a seminary, least of all a neocatechumenal seminary. This is why when the Archbishop went back to the donor for more money he was denied.

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    7. Tim that BENAFATOR is not from Guam, I repeat is not from Guam. A rich guy who is also part of the Community.

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    8. Yes. I know. But the people who were hurt, are from Guam. I repeat: are from Guam.

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    9. So we all WIN right??? It's a GAIN that it will open the gates of the PACIFIC, possibly can open to invite others that seek vocation to the neighboring island like FIJI,Tonga and so on.I think we should not get hurt if we look at the whole picture. Instead of looking at the cup is empty but full. This is awesome I think.

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    10. 2-20 3:33PM -- I disagree with what you envision. This is not a win-win situation; in fact we, non-neos, were duped and deceived! The deception was planned, delivered and carried out by our archbishop who publicly claimed that here was a land and property acquisition which would be used as a seminary for the formation of priestly vocations for the Catholic Diocese of Guam. We were LED TO BELIEVE that this local seminary would not only boost vocations, but encourage local sons to the priestly vocation -- NOT SO! So far it has BENEFITTED FOREIGN NEO CANDIDATES and TURNED AWAY LOCAL SONS, informing our local sons that: this seminary is open ONLY TO THOSE WHO AGREE TO BE FORMED IN THE NEO WAY!

      As though that level of discrimination and abandonment was not enough of a blow to our Guam son, THE ARCHBISHOP, HIMSELF ADDS SALT TO THE WOUND AND ALSO REFUSES TO GIVE THIS YOUNG MAN A LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION so that our Guam son could attend another seminary off-island! Mind you, this young man was even willing to assume the expense of an off-island seminarian formation since he was denied entrance in the neo seminary -- alleviating our Diocese the expense subsidizing a local son in another seminary off-island! You call that a win-win situation?

      You are missing the point of the issue emphasized in this blog. Guam is a melting pot and mecca for all who see the beauty of our island and choose to make Guam their home residence. Guam doors are still wide open and have been for decades – where have you been? That’s not the issue! Do you not see the problem here to be the fact that the neos have CLOSED THEIR DOORS TO OUR LOCAL YOUNG MEN NOT IN THE NEO WAY? … which also (contrary to what archbishop and the neos say in their false marketing of this seminary) closes the door to those “neighboring islands, Fiji and Tonga as you envision, simply because unless you are a neo, you are not welcomed!

      And the neos are the foreigners in our island, setting up their entrepreneurial big business under the guise of “evangelization” mind you, yet they close the doors to Guam’s young Faithful Catholic men!

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  27. AnonymousFebruary 20, 2014 at 10:30 AM Opinions that incude hate I take notice. Facts? can you come up with written audit that it came from our pocket????? The Sunday mass donation are apply for the Utilities and the secretary that sits in that Parish. I use to do payroll for many parishes here in Guam before you probably born. The Priest are not even paid, the staff are... So don't give me this "HAWG-WASH" facts that are being uncovered that your just sniffing hot smoke from many of the statements here. Again ASSuming.Right???

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    1. A flat % rate of all collections is assessed by the chancery upon each parish on a monthly basis to sustain the operations of the chancery. You would not have seen that because it is not part of the payroll. Ask your pastor.

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    2. Doubt these are authentic.

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    3. I believe if not mistaken, 10-15% is assessed for each parish to turn into Chancery for their operational costs. Now the pastors do get monthly aside from the stipends they personally receive from the parishioners. The remainder of the money collected in the parishes after payment of assessment is made , is used for utilities, payroll of pastoral staff, supplies such as wine, materials for office, utilities, church maintenance, etc.

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    4. Anon 12pm I do not know what you mean by authentic. I sit on a parish finance council. The money collected from my parish is accounted for. We have 3-4 counters. My parish priest does not sit in on the counting. Money counted is verified by ALL counters. A deposit slip is made and logged on the ledger with our initials. Money is then deposited that same day. The Chancery keeps abreast of money that is collected by each parish. Why do you think the parishes get audited by the Chancercy?

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    5. Ask my pastor? The pastor is much busier of taking care of Funeral, baptism and anointing the sick etc. Don’t you think? Then you’re telling me to ask my pastor? Really? These people you continue to badger are not doing any good? My thoughts about this group, In Cathedral for example. I’ve witness these group donated their time to help and assist the parish fiesta. I’ve seen their four or five years old happily cleaning the place with Joy and Yes most of them are in this group. I was the only one as parishioner. I’ve also witness to see them help clean in the Cathedral renovation in 1997 I believe. Which I BELIEVE they’re part of the parish too. I’ve seen the pastor have brush them off not to show any appreciation but the 16 years I’ve seen with my own eyes, they continue to do the service. They showed love despite the bitter behavior towards them. Reminds me of the saints.
      Separated? I think I have not seen our “Super Catholic buff helping in any event unless you proudly present your accolade what you have done. BJ Cruz (Same Sex marriage), fight abortion (That’s great charity). But I’ve witness these people are also have lend a helping hand in Department of Correction such as; reaching to the prisoner’s wives by buying gifts for the prisoner’s child/children for Christmas gifts. Did you know this? I know cuz I help to buy the toys for these poor kids. With their own money, not from the Archdiocese definitely! But their own time.
      These were one of the many things I’ve witness in this group and there is many more but I’m not part of it cuz I think I’m not ready for it, maybe one day I will.
      Lastly, would like to say I have the utmost respect for the admin of this blog and the rest. But before we start poking, there are good things they have done. You like it or not many of them are parishioners of your parish. I truly say they’re Roman Catholic just like you and me.
      We should badger at the Protestant is much more fun than these guys. Baptist who claims our Holy Catholic Church is whore of Babel.
      With Love in Christ.

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    6. Okay. Then don't ask your pastor. And don't waste your time on this blog if it bothers you.

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    7. 1:10pm-- You said: "Ask my pastor?" and you also said: "I think I have not seen..." You don't want to ask, and you're not always there to see -- no wonder you're in the dark!

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    8. Anon 110p - Don't get in a hissy fit. Ask, don't ask...that's your prerogative. You are being irrational and picking a fight. Take your right index finger and using your mouse click on the "x" on the top right corner and leave the discussions for the grownups.

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    9. AnonymousFebruary 20, 2014 at 2:45 PM I did not state that above I have seen not I think. Sounds like a Protestan acussation here. hahaha. Aside the point. No I'm in the dark yet, I'm almost 65 years old and I still honor my marriage vow that equate that I'm not in the dark yet.

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    10. 3:14pm: Absolutely no clue what you were trying to say in your post. It makes no sense!

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    11. Anon 1:10pm - Yes the Neos are doing good and making people better Christians, so much so that in comparison, you notice your fellow lackadaisical parishioners. You state "I think I have not seen our “Super Catholic buff helping in any event unless you proudly present your accolade what you have done." This statement clearly exhibits that you are judging your brothers and sisters. Have you ever thought of reaching out and simply inviting them since you are apparently the "only parishioner" helping? But that is aside from the real point I wanted to make to you. What I really want to say to you is this: despite all the niceties and wonderful things the Neos are doing, THE ENDS DO NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS. Hope you get my drift. If not, I'll give you this example: I cannot blow up an abortion clinic and kill an abortionist to stop all abortions on Guam. Even if my doing so would save hundreds of lives every year, my means (killing) to achieve the end (no abortions) was morally wrong...The same applies to the Neo's (and before anyone goes off and states that I am calling them out as the same as my example, YOU ARE WRONG!) The Neo's can evangelize to the prisons, volunteer at the parish for special occasions, and do the best to help everyone they meet, but by disobeying the Holy Father and participating in an illicit act of receiving the Body and Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ, their ends do not justify their means. We are called as Catholics to follow the Pope and the teachings of the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC and APOSTOLIC CHURCH. Holy Communion is the SOURCE AND SUMMIT OF OUR FAITH and to disregard the basic tenant of this teaching and to deny the instructions of the Holy Father, is to deny Jesus Christ Himself.

      "And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church,* and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven.* Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” (MT 16:18-19 NAB)

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    12. My response to AnonymousFebruary 20, 2014 at 7:27 PM
      Have I ever thought of reaching out and simply inviting the others since I was the only “parishioner"?
      I did not have to; it was announced in the Mass at the Academy Gym at that time. I’m pretty sure everyone heard it.
      Judgment? No one showed up but these lay people. Not even the readers and the secretary of the Chancery. What identify this group because they invited me to a meeting or cathchisist (Whatever you call it) like I mentioned, I’m not ready till this present day.
      Your analogy of blowing up the abortion clinic is a bad example. Of course not! Two wrongs do not make a right. Right?
      The part your saying disobeying I tried reading all the articles here about this group about not listening to the Pope. I read a few articles they have the backing I believe of four Popes. That would be difficult to do, don’t you think? What I read also many of the Cardinals support these group and also a handful Orthodox hierarchy and Rabbis in Jerusalem. To me that a quiet a milestone of evangelization. Again it does not matter what I say in this blog because many here have decided that this is wrong. I’m just an old man stating what I saw and my take.
      I believe Christ would not rebuke them as what states in Gospel passage below. We are all children of Christ. What really separate us the love of GOD.
      Mark 9:38-42
      38 “Teacher,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.”
      39 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40 for whoever is not against us is for us. 41 Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to the Messiah will certainly not lose their reward.

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  28. Each Parish assessed 10% based on the following: Sunday Collection, Fiesta Collection, Christmas Collection, Other Collection, Miscellaneous Collection and Interest. There is a standard deduction based on the Parish's income category. Remember also that other payments for Peters Pence, Holy Childhood, Communication Month, and other request have to be paid aside from the assessment.

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  30. St Michael the Archangel,
    defend us in battle, protect us from the snares and the wickedness of the devil.
    May God rebuke him, we humbly pray,
    and do thou, oh prince of the heavenly Host,
    Thrust into hell, satan, and all the evil spirits,
    who wander through the world for the win of souls
    Amen

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    1. Thanks, Frenchie. If I may, I believe it is the "ruin" of souls. But nonetheless, Satan does try to "win" souls as well.

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