Tuesday, March 14, 2017

PDN: GUAM'S CATHOLIC CHURCH EMBRACES FINANCIAL TRANSPARENCY

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  1. Believe me, I'll start donating when the Pope says Apuron is defrocked but right now, no way will I contribute knowing the Archdiocese is still paying his vacation. J

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    1. apuron OUT... NO MONEY... apuron OUT... NO MONEY... apuron OUT...

      in COMPLETE and TOTAL agreement with Anonymous March 14, 2017 at 9:45 AM, on apuron being gone, goner, gonest, NO pension/retirement nothing, nada, zilch, totally de-apuron-da-island.

      funny, chancery transparency is like the ncw black bag.

      byrnes, WHY DO WE HAVE two seminaries?

      apuron OUT... NO MONEY... apuron OUT... NO MONEY... apuron OUT...

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  2. I'm certainly no biblical scholar, but I do know that sinless Jesus was never wrong.

    There were only two groups of people He totally condemned: Child abusers and money changers in the Temple.

    In modern terms, that means pedophiles, abortionists and banksters who are steadily destroying Christian civilization.

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    1. He condemned the lawyers and Pharisees worst of all: But woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you shut the kingdom of heaven against men, for you yourselves do not enter in; and those that are going in, you suffer not to enter. Mt. 23:13

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  3. Guam's Catholic Church embraces financial transparency because they're operating at a deficit and need our help. If they didn't have a deficit, would they be so willing to be transparent? If the sex abuse victims of apuron and other clergy did not file their multimillion dollar lawsuits, would the Church be going through all the motions of protecting our children
    (or, is it really to prevent more lawsuits in the future?), instead of just covering up/transferring errant clergy? For the Church, it's all about money, isn't it? Well, if the Church wants my money, first DEFROCK APURON! And then the Church will see how fast that deficit disappears.

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  4. AMEN to that Anon@9:45. You make the call - Rome, Pope,Vatican, whatever! Defrock Apuron, you might see my money in the Sunday collections! Keep Apuron under your wings - you ain't seeing a penny from me! Transparency? Publish in the Umatuna how much you're giving Apuron monthly, weekly, daily - that's transparency!

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  5. Bingo Anon 9:45 and 11:21 AM!

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  6. Fr.Matthew Blockley.March 14, 2017 at 1:57 PM

    It is very hard to Trust I must say. Archdiocese promises trasnsparency in one breath and in the next sends its lawyers to oppose a law that protects children. This sends a confused message to the people.
    If these cases were not public then the Archdiocese would not have been transparent with the people. So for me its a trust issue. Why would anyone support any project in a climate with no trust? Basic common sense you cannot move forward without trust.

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  7. As long as apuron is still an archbishop then it's the archdiocese which supports him financially. The archdiocese also has to pay his legal fees. So really, what have we learned from all this? Do we continue to help the archdiocese which supports apuron? Or do we just hold off till the pope makes his decision about tony?

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    1. I believe Arch Byrnes owes the people an explanation as to the extent of support that the Archdiocese gives to Apuron. It is a no-brainer that we should cut off payment to Apuron's legal fees, if we do, otherwise we are back to square one. Apuron, who refuses to step down or resign, should be personally responsible for the legal fees for his defense. Can anyone clarify this for us before we make assumptions regarding disbursement of church money? The published financial report does not reflect it, but with the current issues of non-transparency, we cannot afford to guess.

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    2. Apuron's faculties were revoked last year, well before Byrnes arrived. He and his lawyers should not be paid a cent from archdiocesan funds.

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    3. I know that AOA has cut off payment of Apuron's legal fees. That happened under Hon, who needed some convincing. I don't know if Apuron still receives a salary. So long as Apuron or any one of the "lost boys" is incardinated in this diocese, the diocese has a duty to support them until they are either excardinated or laicized. I'll try to find out more.

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  8. Financial transparency and the Catholic Church are mutually exclusive.

    My rotten diocese has also been sued over 3 or 4 horrendous sex-related offenses involving lay employees. All the frosty bishop did each time was hire million-dollar lawyers on our dime and refuse to comment on the case outcomes. We don't know how or where our money was spent, or if justice was done for the victims. Locals hate the ice-cold, imperious chancery and vice-versa.

    Aside from this medieval bishop's annnual salary of at least $71,000, plus lush housing, etc., his extreme right-wing groupies are advertising for donations to a slush fund meant solely for his personal use. No accountability required. He actually had the nerve to publish details of this obscenity in the diocesan newspaper along with a group photo of the grinning clericalist hags behind it. This worthless bishop is publicly playing Apuron's baksheesh game. We're hoping that his strongly suspected closet queen lifestyle can be documented and Rome will dump him. Otherwise, we're stuck with him for a long time to come.

    And the chancery wonders why donations to their annual diocesan appeal fall flat! Individual parish assessments for it are extortionate, especially since there's no accounting for how the millions demanded every year are spent. If parishoners don't pay up with special collection envelopes, Pastors are forced to compensate for the shortfall via bank loans, or whatever it takes.

    Most Pastors understand our justifiable animosity toward the chancery and we aren't chastised for it. We continue to directly fund parish social services and other urgent parish needs as best we can.

    Pedophile priest scandals in this lousy diocese cost us at least $70 million in settlements, plus untold legal fees. To this day, the fate of several perverts remains unknown. All we know is that they were sidelined and moved out of sight. A few of the older freaks died. The chancery won't discuss any of them, but we suspect that they were normally retired somewhere, again on our dime. Another reason the diocesan retirement fund for priests and religious often dries up. Donations to it are nowhere near what they were before the pedophile scandals.

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    1. So what are you doing about it? Waiting for Rome?

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    2. That is a stupid question. Rome is the only entity with jurisdiction over Catholic bishops. None in US history have ever been imprisoned by civil Courts for their substantial crimes.

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    3. If we had waited for Rome, like you are, Apuron would still be here and you wouldn't even have a blog to post your blubbering. Get off your ass, make a sign, and stand out in front of your cathedral. How do you think we got this far? Just another bitcher.

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    4. Hold your breath, Tim. Pervert Apuron will return to Guam, acquitted of canonical charges.

      A few elderly picketers can't stop that. The first thing you all will get stuck with is buying the s.o.b. a brand-new Lexus to replace the old one being sold.

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    5. Even so. At least we fight. What are you doing besides pretending to be brave behind an anonymous rock on someone else's blog.

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    6. Response to Anony 5:15 a.m. Could it be possible that Rome would find him guilty of financial mismanagement and let the Civil Law on Guam handle his sexual abuse because they know they (Guam) will get him on it. That could very well be the case. I hope he will be found guilty on both Rome and Guam, but just thinking of all possibilities. don't be too surprise. We got him either way.

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    7. First of all, the most Apuron could be subject to on the civil side is a civil suit, NOT a criminal trial. So "guilty" will not be the outcome of civil suit. He will never be "guilty," "liable" maybe, but not guilty. And "liable" will mean nothing to him. He won't even have to show up to defend himself. So he may lose a few personal assets. He'll live like a king the rest of his life because the neo trash bags will take care of him.

      The only possibility of Apuron being found "guilty" is the canonical trial.

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    8. Is a pronouncement of guilt something we do know to be the outcome of a trial or is just assumed so when the person in question is seen to be doing a Vatican shoe shuffle at conclusion?

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  9. Byrnes makes the $200,000+ deficit sound like a big deal. We make DEFROCK APURON a big deal. Hey, Byrnes, want to trade? The Catholic faithul can easily raise the money to cover that deficit (just do the math), just give us what we want first.

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    1. He can't. He has no authority to defrock Apuron. Only the pope can. That's why Apuron always said "no one can get me." He has always been very sure that Filoni would take care of the pope if it came to that.

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  10. Bravery has nothing to do with it. I'm just someone who has been asked over the years to help resolve some very serious problems in my diocese and I was always successful.

    I feel sorry for the anti-Apuron protestors and other suffering Catholics on Guam because you don't have the type of leadership who can win your fights. Bringing up critical issues means nothing if they can't be resolved for the common good and on a timely basis.




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    1. We know we don't have the leadership. That's why we're doing this ourselves. Doesn't sound like you were much help to your own diocese.

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    2. Read what I said. I was a huge amount of help to my diocese. That's why the bishop and his auxiliary asked for my help. Guam isn't the only place with major Church problems.

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    3. Right. Another stateside know-it-all telling us poor grass-skirted Guamanians we don't know how to wipe our own asses. Thanks, but no thanks. If you were anybody, you would have contacted me and used your name instead of strutting about my blog pretending like you know shit. Find somewhere else to masturbate your ego.

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  11. Safety of those identified in Junglewatch is at risk.Those who use their name on this blog are in danger. Security precautions please.
    There is a last hour plan fighting out for Anthony Sablan Apuron to re take Archdiocese of Agana.

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    1. That's what the other side hopes for....more anonymous contributors. Unlike Brynes, you need to take a stand...... WE ALL DO !!! Place your name and know there are many that will back you up.

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  12. I read that Kamalen Karidat is closing because of absence of viable relocation. The building that it uses has been sold. Can the Archdiocese be transparent and tell us how the proceeds from the sale was used?

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    1. NCW & RMS should be paying the Archdiocese for the use of the Acion property and building? Since they are forming prebysters for mission locations other than for Guam, They should be paying rent for the use of the property. Liquidate that property to fund the lawsuits, and pay off any existing loans that the church has.

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    2. Right. Aside from RMS, how much real estate has the NCW stolen from the archdiocese?

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    3. Having those who graduated from the RMS do some service in Guam before being shipped off-island and never to return is a scam you can smell a mile away.

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  13. How much of that $213,000 deficit is caused by us supporting RMS priests who are no longer on Guam? Are we still supporting Lickin' Louie?

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    1. apuron OUT... NO MONEY... apuron OUT... NO MONEY... apuron OUT...

      to prevent/stop supporting rms priests who are no longer on Guam, like Lickin' Louie and the other itinerant presbyters, we need to STOP SUPPORTING ITS SOURCE, which is the rms factory.

      The chancery expenses for two seminaries for the period referred to are, "Redemptoris Mater Seminary, inclusive of formators’ allowance, stipend and subsidies, $92,450" AND "Saint John Paul the Great Archdiocesan Seminary", $92,371", for a TOTAL EXPENSE of $184.821.00.

      this archdiocese SPENT $184.821.00 on two seminaries, I think there is something TRULY WRONG with this picture, with TWO SEMINARIES, this archdiocese should be MAKING MONEY, if not, then WHY NOT?

      apuron OUT... NO MONEY... apuron OUT... NO MONEY... apuron OUT...

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    2. Why does tiny Guam have two archdiocesan seminaries? Huge California understandably has two of them. One for each half of the ginormous State.

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