Tuesday, September 20, 2016

THE SEMINARY REPORT

We will work through this and give you our analysis. But for now, here it is:
https://www.scribd.com/document/324633210/RMS-Visitation-Report-1609012-Final

39 comments:

  1. Tim,

    Please summarize what this is about and why you're posting...

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    1. A summary you say? How about a see I told you so:)

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    2. Tim, please allow me to summarize:

      RMS is a SHAM!

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    3. most of it reads like a digest of jungle watch from the past 3 years.

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    4. Thank you, Tim. Over the years you have held a candle to this sham of a seminary. And after you've even used LED bulbs to spotlight NCW attempts to take over our parishes, it is still baffling that people think the traditional church should co-exist with this cult. Oh, I forgot..MONEY?

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    5. Quoted from the conclusion (page 15):
      "... evidence points to the fact that (the RMS) is, strictly a neo-catechumenal seminary that does not have a clear benefit for the Archdiocese of Agana."

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    6. Just a thought. I wonder how much benefit Kiko views getting from his scheme in Guam?

      Money is one thing, and we see all our priests giving up their faith at the thought of losing money. But this whole scandal has got to be dealing Kiko one huge black eye in Rome, and a bruised ego to boot.

      So my fellow Catholics, when you start to feel bad at how things are here on Guam...rejoice and be glad. The kikos' are miserable, and for good cause.

      (Proof - look at Quack Eusebio's sour face)

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    7. Excellent point, Janet. For too long the horrible Kiko cloud has hovered over the church around the world. The silver lining is shining brighter as more people realize how destructive it is.

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  2. Why bother to place conditions for RMS to meet if we already know that it is founded as an NCW seminary, to expect it to take on a Diocesan identity is asking Kiko to give up his sect and come back to the real Catholic Church. This leaves only one choice, Close RMS Seminary down, I for one will not support a NCW seminary which has a deficient formation program, non existent evaluation process for candidates, deficient instructional program, and forms un-prepared, NCW presbyters for NCW communities outside of Guam.

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  3. Well that pretty much vindicates everything this blog has ever claimed is wrong with the NCW seminary. Its a scam from beginning to end - a lie perpetrated under the noses of the faithful.

    Watch the NCW go into a fury of activity and propaganda - meaning they will even more avidly build their own gallows.

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  4. from page 7

    2. The statutes of the RMS are specifically designed to form presbyters for the “New Evangelization” as understood by the Neocatechumenal Way.
    As a result the seminarians’ formation does not prioritize the importance of parish ministry, parish management and the general familiarity of the seminarians with parish life.

    what did that know-it-all neo dr say about diocesan priest???

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    1. The "New Evangelization???".....When I hear the Jubilee Prayer, using that phrase "new evangelization", I cringe. That prayer should be thrown out.

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    2. Raymond,

      Our parish already did. If you have a real priest tell him can the thing!

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  5. A perfect time for the Congregation of People or Cardinal Filoni to step in and close the seminary for a deficient program. This would better fit his responsibilities as prefect.

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  6. again from page 7

    4. The current evaluation of candidates for ordination is done solely by presbyters and lay faithful who are “walking” in the Neocatechumenal Way.

    There is a lack of consideration for the faithful and presbyterate of the Archdiocese of Agana not in the Neocatechumenal Way.

    While this may be acceptable if the seminary was only to form presbyters for the service of the Neocatechumenal Way, the lack of consideration is unreasonable given the fact that these seminarians are intended to be diocesan priests, notwithstanding their openness to missionary work.

    who paid for the new jersey round trip tickets, WE PAID...
    say again, who paid for the new jersey round trip tickets, WE PAID...
    one more time, who paid for the new jersey round trip tickets, WE PAID...

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    1. You're kidding, right? We paid?

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    2. sorry; the "we" are the people who have been lied to by apuron...

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  7. My phone doesn't have the scrib app so I can't read it. Another way to read the report?

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    1. http://www.pacificnewscenter.com/media/k2/attachments/RMS_Visitation_Report_1609012_Final.pdf

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  8. Inarajan - Figures Don't LieSeptember 21, 2016 at 7:42 AM

    Wow. Seminary is a total scam job. No worries. It only cost us $1,000,000 per year for just 14 years.

    Quick, send an invoice to Gennarini for $14,000,000. If he comes with check in hand he might get a nicer reception at the airport and not have to abandon his wife to fend for herself!

    So funny it's sick.

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    1. Inarajan - Figures Don't Lie - $14,000,000 for 15 presbyters equals $933,333 per presbyter. Fr Kidd, who is a far better, and authentic, priest, only cost$100,000 to form. And Fr Kidd has actual degrees.

      Going Further on figures:
      Presbyter Pedro Durango has said a total of 2 masses on Guam. That's a stipend per mass of $466,666 (oh no, 666 seems to be a bad number for Pedro)!

      We got a far better deal from Presbyter Miguel Angel. He's said approximately 10 masses on Guam since being ordained 4 years ago. That only cost us $93,000 per mass.

      No wonder these kiko presbyters fly first class wherever they go, they are VIPs that we spent all that money on in formation, so they should be treated as VIPs when on mission work!

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  9. Since Filoni supports this NCW sect here and the report of the investigative committee validates what JW has posted these past years that RMS is a SCAM and produces Ill prepared presbyters, even if ordained by a valid bishop who has scandalized the faithful by his pedophile actions, I say Filoni should be called out to see the fruits of what he has allowed to flourish in GUAM.

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  10. fabricated....all of it...

    the best thing to do is excommunicate the bitch of this site. period.

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    1. The best way to "excommunicate" this site is for you to just not communicate with it. But you can't stop. You can't because you came back to see if your comment was posted and if anyone responded.

      Further, you're probably trying to figure out how to respond back to my comment without confirming the fact that because you undertook much effort to create an anonymous profile in order for you to comment here on JungleWatch, you became a "bitch of this site."

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    2. who cares. You are excommunicated from this site. Period.

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    3. 8:55 AM, let's listen to your argument for the sake of openness. Sell your argument, because if you cannot, you are a big part of the problem and have no place in adult discourse. Your use of words tells us the way your parents raised you, and indicates your deficient education. Use logic and reason, and we might listen to what you have to say. Otherwise, stay down the grooves of rotting wood where you might feel better at home.

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    4. who cares @8:55, It appears that you care enough to visit this blog to advise us, You probably don't care because your NCW cult was found to be fabricating lies after lies after all, and you cant accept the truth. I say you are the bitch who came to this site to learn the truth. Come on back..

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    5. Fabricated? Really? It was seasoned priests who validated all the trash the Jungle had dug up on the seminary. And you can bet the situation is even worse than portrayed, because 4 people could not have seen all the hidden dirt the RMS staff sweep away before the committee arrived.

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  11. fabricated....all of it...

    the best thing to do is excommunicate the bitch of this site. period.

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  12. As a member of the faithful, I'm grateful for this report released by the Archdiocese confirming previously shared findings by Tim Rohr, this blog, the CCOG and others. As a co-founder and former advisory council member of the former St. Thomas Aquinas Catholic High School, my heart is breaking, once again, for those who, against intense opposition, worked so hard to give this community a Catholic secondary school to broaden our choices and allow even that small minority a place to learn and thrive. Aquinas was legit. Accredited with a track record of matriculating its graduates to universities of their choices and some to the nation's top schools. Among them was a young man who was denied the opportunity to pursue his priestly calling. And, if you asked him, he'd probably minimize his experience in light of all the recent terrible news of children molested and raped at the hands of the same man who allowed all of this to happen! What a damn mess has been made of so many lives! Back to the peaceful protest this Sunday and with a heightened message - laicize Apuron, remove the poorly formed presbyters from our parishes, and remove all members of the NCW in leadership positions within the Archdiocese, religious and laity.

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    1. Rose de los Reyes (Seattle, WA)September 21, 2016 at 11:02 AM

      I agree wholeheartedly will all those themes for of the Sunday protests!!!

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    2. Yes, Jeni, St. Thomas Aquinas HS was exemplary in its academic and overall formation. It was an unfortunate casualty of Apuron's compromised leadership. In addition to your solutions, the Archdiocese needs to enact a moratorium on NCW itself. Absentee presbyters who refuse to acknowledge the authority of the Archdiocese on them should have their faculties suspended until they sign an MOA stating their loyalty to the local Church of Guam. Cut their monthly honoraria and persuade them to stay out permanently. We cannot tie up financial responsibility to these non-value-added reprobates. Better use of money to support Catholic schools and do away with bake sales so students can focus on school-related matters.

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  13. As a member of the CCYOG— Concerned Catholics Youth of Guam, i find this to be highly ignorant. If this bill were to pass, students, if the schools were to be sold, would over crowd other schools, causing a disruption to the school infanstructure system.

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    1. Stay in school? Sweetheart you need to stop because the youth are a part of this church too and we all matter in this decision. It's our future too

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    2. Listen boo...
      I may not agree with everything the Church says but out Church is an open table. In this open table everybody brings something important to our table.This is called chenchule and I'd like to remind you that you are welcome to the table but unfortunately you don't seem to have anything to offer so for your own good I'd like to say three words of sage wisdom.
      TAKE.A.SEAT.

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    3. Anon at 12:49 Please email Apuron, Quitugua, Cristobal, Pius and thank them this ruckus that we are in, Apuron's actions and these chancery leaders of covering up all the abuse in the church has led to this predicament we are in. Remember that the choices they have made as leaders resulted in this consequence that we must all live with. All will suffer as a result of their selfish actions.

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    4. Anon @4:27, I cannot and will not stop advising kids to stay in school. The rest of your comment has nothing to do with anything else.

      Stay in School . . . sweetie.

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