Monday, October 23, 2017

PROOF THE NCW IS OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

But Eusebio said he has no concern about the future of the movement.

"He cannot stop the Way even though he doesn't like us,"Eusebio told the Post. "He can prevent us from meeting in the Church, but we can always meet in homes."

GUAM DAILY POST: Seminary prepares to close doors at end of year



43 comments:

  1. Biba Adrian! Now you can declare yourself the rightful Archbishop of the Guam Chapter of Kikogoats with Eusebio, the wanna be presbyter as your Vicar General..

    Problem is, Eusebio will be holding the shepherd's staff instead of Adrian. "He is the Mister Know It All" in the NCW and no kikogoat would dare to contradict him!

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  2. The truth sometimes slips out when you least expect it. "We are obedient to the bishop." Yes, when it is convenient and suits your purpose. Other than that . . . "We will do what we want whenever we want and the bishop can't stop us."

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    1. Yes, its a bit like the Dianas latest effort following the convivence.

      Still seeking to justify their strange liturgical practices, while at the same time, claiming orthodoxy and obedience.

      Tis to laugh.

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  3. Janet B - MangilaoOctober 23, 2017 at 4:16 PM

    Well, Tim, if you can get the kiko-nuts to agree that they are outside of the Catholic Church then we have won. They are a Jewish-Protestants sect disguised as a Catholic Church in name only" Archbishop Athanseus Schneider reports. If we can get all the local kikos to follow that statement, we can soon get them to leave.

    That sounds to me like a win/win situation. We get rid of a heretical cult that wants nothing from the Church but its facilities and assets, and we gain unity and universal collegiality once more. Dr Quack has my vote to agree with them to step out on their own. I wouldn't even mind if they elected Kiko as their very first antipope!

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    1. What is a “Jewish-Protestant” sect? I’ve seen that reference several times but it makes no sense to me.

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    2. Kiko has extracted certain Jewish and Protestant beliefs and practices to concoct his new religion.

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  4. Although the NCW was kicked out of Nepal many years ago by now deceased Bishop Antu Sharma, this summer my priest friend there said NCW "priests" occasionally come through and hold NCW liturgies without permission from the current bishop. Same NCW behavior worldwide, apparently.

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  5. Before posting a post like this, I would think well of it!
    The Way contrary to what you say is APPROVED by the Church.
    You want to put your hands on the seminary building to sell it !!!
    Everybody knows!!!

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    1. The post is nothing other than Ric Eusebio's exact words. Ric Eusebio is the big neo-catechist for Guam. He said that the bishop cannot stop the Way. Your statute says otherwise:

      Art.1 § 2. The Neocatechumenal Way is at the service of the bishop...

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  6. After many of us have been calling the Neocatechumenal Way a sect for years, Lil' Ric finally spills the beans!

    Lil Ric and his friends better reread the Statute of their movement:

    The Neocatechumenal Way is at the service of the bishop as one of the forms of diocesan implementation of Christian initiation and of ongoing education in faith. Article 1, section 2.

    The Neocatechumenal Way is thus an instrument at the service of the bishops to implement the process of ongoing education in faith required by the Church...Article 22, Section 2.

    The Neocatechumenal Way is also an instrument at the service of the bishops for the Christian initiation of the non-baptized. Article 24, section 1.

    It pertains to the diocesan bishop, as responsible for initiation, formation and Christian life in the local Church to authorize the implementation of the Neocatechumenal Way in the diocese; Article 26, section 1.


    Of course, the real problem is that the whole thing, including the Statute, is a SHAM, and always has been.

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    1. Lil' Ric is just following the orders of Kiko, who, as I reported in my post, "Sprinting Toward Schism", told his followers at Easter this year,

      "I am told of pastors who will not permit the Vigil. If the Easter Vigil is not possible we can walk away from the parish, because you cannot leave the brothers without the Easter Vigil.”

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    2. Don't forget NCW GUam's bishop is still AAA.

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    3. Don't forget anon12:03 A.M., that YOUR BELOVED NCW AAA HAS NO SAY AT THE MOMENT! Accept the fact that AB BYRNES IS THE MAN!

      -breakfast at Tiffany's

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  7. The KAKA Filled NEO Cult Dungbat continues its web of delusional web of lies. From what I hear, the number of parishioners continue to decline where there is a NEO Cult Presbyter Assigned SMH...

    From the KAKA Filled Dungbats latest blog:

    DianaOctober 23, 2017 at 2:39 PM
    Dear Anonymous at 2:29 pm,

    Of course we do. The NCW help build up their parish. Ask the finance officer of the parish, and he/she can list how the NCW help build up their parish.

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    1. I don't know about helping the parish, but the free tuition under the order of Adrian, the boboy with the golden balls put San Vicente School in tbe hole.

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  8. Actually, when you place a moratorium on evangelization and missionary work, that is proof enough that you are outside the Catholic church. When you choose to shut down a seminary, that is proof that you are outside the Catholic church. When you don't support what the Popes have said, to be valid for our society and for our times, then you are outside the Catholic church. When you don't believe the Pope who acknowledged that THE Way is one of the first fruits of Vat II, you are outside of the Catholic church.
    So you go ahead and list all your accusations of The Way with all your supporting documents but just know that this blog and its content is enough proof that you are outside of the Catholic church.

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    1. The only thing that is recognized is that the NCW is permitted to exist in a diocese at the disposition of the diocesan bishop and your chief catechist just said the Way does not recognize his authority. That's all anybody needs to know.

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    2. I don’t think he said he doesn’t recognize his authority. If the archbishop closes the parishes to the Neocatechumenal Way, they can still have their scripture study in their homes. I suppose they could have mass there, too. If the archbishop says it’s not Catholic, not part of the Church, that’s a different matter.

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    3. More evidence that you neo’s do not even read your own statute. The bishop’s authority in the matter does not just extend to the use of churches. The NCW permit to exist at all, in any way, shape, form, or practice is totally and completely at the disposition of the bishop.

      “It pertains to the diocesan bishop, as responsible for initiation, formation and Christian life in the local Church to authorize the implementation of the Neocatechumenal Way in the diocese.” Article 26, section 1.

      By Eusebio saying “He (Archbishop Byrnes) cannot stop the Way…” Eusebio, a catechist, your leader, is not just saying he doesn’t respect Byrnes’ authority, he is saying we do not respect the authority of the statute nor the authority which issued it, and that would be Rome.

      Of course this is nothing new. All this trouble began in 2006 when Apuron infamously took to the airwaves to denounce the Prefect for the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments who had issued orders in the pope’s name.

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    4. (In the AAS 82 [1990-II], 1513-1515, the following note was placed at the bottom of page 1513).

      The Holy Father's intention in recognizing the Neocatechumenal Way as an effective process of Catholic formation, is not to give binding instructions to the local Ordinaries but only to encourage them to give careful consideration to the Neocatechumenal Communities.

      HOWEVER, HE LEAVES to the JUDGEMENT of the Ordinaries to ACT ACCORDING to the pastoral NEEDS OF THEIR OWN dioceses).

      HOWEVER, HE LEAVES to the JUDGEMENT of the Ordinaries to ACT ACCORDING to the pastoral NEEDS OF THEIR OWN dioceses).

      HOWEVER, HE LEAVES to the JUDGEMENT of the Ordinaries to ACT ACCORDING to the pastoral NEEDS OF THEIR OWN dioceses).

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  9. Relax Mr Rohr. The Holy See NOW follows closely Guam.... and AB Krebs.

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    1. Holy See sees Blockley. We sort of sniff him out.

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    2. Yes, that was one of the embarrassing things about Blockley when I was trying to help him. I often had to tell him to fix his spelling or people would know it was him commenting as "anonymous." There needs to be an easier way to laicize people like this.

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  10. Some simple and direct questions to anyone in the NCW:

    Can you be a Catholic without the Neocatechumenal Way? If the archbishop determines the NCW is too divisive in the local church to continue and decrees that it stop its activities, will you accept and obey the decree? Will you repudiate Dr. Eusebio's intention of continuing NCW activities in someone's home?

    There will come a time when you will need to make an important decision. I pray that God my grant you the wisdom and courage to make the right choice.

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    1. 1. Can you be a Catholic without the Neocatecumenal Way?
      YES. I was a Catholic even before the Way and remain one today.

      2. Will you accept and obey the decree?
      YES. The Archbishop has the authority to stop the activities of the NCW but he does not have the authority to stop us as private individuals in as far as what we do to help our conversion. We don't need to be an NCW to do what we do.

      3. Will I repudiate Ric Eusebios statement?
      I believe my answer to this is found to question 2 also. I do not know in what context was Ric speaking and we do not have its entirety. I am sure though that if Ric were to clarify his statement, it would mirror mine.
      Ric is not a chief catechist as reported by Chuck White, not sure where chuck gets his info but I'm pretty sure Ric laughs at it all day.

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    2. Eusebio did NOT say that the bishop cannot stop you as private individuals from doing anything. What Eusebio did was say he cannot stop “the Way.”

      “The Way” is a canonically constituted entity governed by a canonical statute which gives the local Ordinary complete authority over it.

      Word of warning, the local Ordinary also has full authority over the celebration of the sacraments in his diocese, so if you even try to hold a “eucharist” or a “baptism” without his personal and written consent it will be absolute grounds for an immediate delict.

      We can call Eusebio anything we want including “chief” simply because he presents himself as one. Whether or not he’s a “chief” inside the NCW does not matter. He obviously speaks for you all since he’s the only one who does.

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    3. Eusebio clueless liar. Chief? Not. In his own small mind- maybe.

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    4. 1.47 PM.

      Alleged "approvals" and the self-contradictory "statutes" were extracted from the church hierarchy by attrition and enforced fudging. Popes get their arms twisted to attend "sending out" ceremonies.

      I challenge your itinerants and responsibles to admit to all the "community" members in your locality that there is no such objective thing as "scrutinies", "stages", "guarantors", "convivances", "covenants" nor have they undertaken any vows, promises, oaths, binds, bonds or ties. In my locality they didn't have the "corraggio" to do so - I found it out all by myself!

      It is to be hoped all parish clergy and officers will realise that ex-members do not make reliable volunteers, unless they admit the above facts.

      I bet you haven't been a "community" member as long as the 28 years I was!

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    5. Because, as Arrieta admits, this canonical entity is "not recognisably" as it claims to be, bishops who have not done an unusual amount of due diligence don't realise till it's too late that the bullies who are appointed (not by him) as itinerants etc will flout, manoeuvre, etc. The bishops are in fact there for the NCW's convenience. Members have joined an "order" when they didn't know they were taking vows. The NCW is in reality an invisible personal prelature.

      My friend who was in a "community" for the best part of a year smelt a rat because the itinerants wanted to shut down his community because it was convenient to them to "recatechise". That showed him it was there for their purposes and not to help him. I wish I'd been so sensible at that time. So obviously did those who have taken their lives meantime.

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  11. This is a familiar pattern in other contries. Bishop decides enough is enough of Neocats .. so the Neos just do what they want and carry on in the houses etc. Masses, recruitment ....

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  12. Without a special dispensation from ABp Byrnes Catholic Mass is to be celebrated in a Church with an altar and tabernacle! Not in a hotel room or at somebody's house with a flower covered folding table!!!

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  13. Unfortunately, no one on Guam has the money or cunning needed to wipe out the local Neos. Byrnes included. They have extremely powerful support networks in places you know nothing about.

    All you people do is preach to the choir and pat yourselves on the back for no reason. Apuron still hasn't been defrocked or civilly imprisoned, his victims won't get squat in abuse settlements and Neos still run free at the chancery.

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    1. LOL. Show me any other place in the world where a small band of laity and a blog was able to get an RMS shut down.

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    2. To Anonymous 3:52 AM, I'm sure you didn't mean to characterize the local neos as a persistent infestation impossible to eradicate. However the comparison may have some validity based on Dr. Eusabio's comment. A mindset developed as a result of Apuron's complete capitulation to the whims and desires of the NCW and its hierarchy that still persists to this day. Criticism is "persecution". The neos are on the right path and everyone else is a lost sheep. I used to think unity was possible. I can clearly see how wrong I was.

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    3. @3:52...We pat ourselves on the back for A LOT OF REASONS. We pat ourselves on the back because Apurun is no longer the Bishop of Guam. We pat ourselves on the back because the scourge of the NCW is no longer a threat to our beloved Catholic Church. We pat ourselves on the back because, world wide, peoples' eyes have been opened to the rotten fruit of the NCW and are now fully aware of what may happen if they too don't take a stand. We pat ourselves on the back because the veil has been lifted on the poorly formed presbyters who have no place in our parishes. We pat ourselves on the back because the lame ass excuse of a seminary will now be shut down. We pat ourselves on the back because the money that we thought was going to help the church and our priests was being funneled to the NCW to use at their discretion and to line the pockets of your red pope. We pat ourselves on the back because we have seen how the walls of the NCW have tumbled like a house of cards and the fall will ripple throughout the world. Oh yes, 3:52...we do pat ourselves on the back...but for good reason. The NCW will be out of our Church and the likes of Adrian, Father David, Apurun will be just a distant memory. And guess what we'll be doing then? Patting ourselves on the back!

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    4. What an arrogant and conceited statement from someone who knows very little about our issues, achievements and the knowledge many of us have.
      It is eerily similar to the views and biases of Pius Sammut, in its condescension. That in itself is very revealing about what kind of person you are. Frankly when you have little to nothing to contribute, perhaps you should pass on the comments.

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    5. Janet B - MangilaoOctober 25, 2017 at 4:58 PM

      Anon @ 3:52 finds it easy to let loose with meaningless words, because he has been reduced to meaninglessness with statements like: "Apuron still hasn't been defrocked or civilly imprisoned, his victims won't get squat in abuse settlements and Neos still run free at the chancery."

      First, we don't really care about civil imprisonment anymore, because Apurun is in a far worse prison. Forced to flee "the island that he loved to have loved him", he is now cut off from the constant fondling of his adoring kiko boys at RMS. He is completely cut off from dancing around the faux altar with his community. He is cut off from the weekly runs to give ice cream bars to the RMS boys. His voice is completely cut off from the KOLG radio station where his boy Frank loved to play his horrid voice. His prison in Fairfield is far worse than DOC because his adoring Dr Quack Eusebio cannot visit him.

      Second, Apurun has not been defrocked. At this point that is true, but not for long. Once those tribunal judges sign his sentence it is all over. But for now, Apurun is DEFUNCT, which is fine with me. He cannot save RMS, he cannot even save his status. He has no authority, he has no power, he has nothing but the shallow title of a has been. Defrocked will come, but for now I'm ok with just plain DEFUNCT!

      Third, his victims won't get squat? Well, when they first started there was zero chance they would get a penny, and they still went ahead. They have already gotten a pretty good compensation. They revealed what a monster Apurun was and is. They made the entire Catholic world take notice. They forced a change in Guam's sex abuse policy. They made Apurun run and hide. That's a pretty good return on their efforts so far. And I wouldn't be so sure they won't also get monetary compensation for the damage caused to them by the serial pervert called Apurun. Oh, and by the way, even the Pope is talking about bad bishops and zero tolerance...who do you think is on his mind?

      Last, NEOs still run free at the Chancery? I don't think so. Where is David? Where is Adrian? Where is Alberto? Where is Pius? Where is Edivaldo? Where is Harold? Where is Rudy? Where is Julio? Where are "For Sure For Sure" and Dakon Frank? All of these "priests" and deacons were his henchmen, and all of them were constant advisors to the Archdiocese. But today none of them set foot in the Chancery, and they have no role in decisions that take place. But there are still some remnants that need to be removed, so thank you 3:52 for reminding the real man in charge, Archbishop Byrnes. I am reminded of the saying "If you hang with dogs your bound to get fleas". And if the Chancery had tuberculosis, there are likely to be silent carriers. But they will get weeded out.

      On the other hand, all those persecuted by Apurun seem to be back in their roles. Benavente is back. Untalan is back. Gofigan is back. Joe Rivera is back. Martinez is back. Sablan/CCOG is back.

      So, 3:52, thank you for proving to us how a cult can have total control of followers minds if they just repeat lies often enough. And thank you for reminding us of the dander of cult leaders and followers. Courage!

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  14. I hope Neos never gain a foothold in this diocese because our closet queen canon lawyer-bishop is a near-total idiot. He lets the few Neos around here get away with anything because they kiss his butt and support all of his obsessive gay-bashing. He actually said publically that no one in this diocese should hire homosexuals or patronize professional photographers who do gay weddings. And he wonders why he's generally ignored. Thankfully, most of the local Pastors are sane.

    It's parishoners in our churches who won't tolerate Neos, Charismatics or any other crazies, not the bishop. Neo devils here know from past experience that they'd best keep their lunatic catechesis and liturgical abuses in the very few, very small ethnic parishes that cater to them. They're definitely not welcome in the local mainstream.

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    1. In what part of the country is “this diocese”?

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  15. Satanic Kiko doesn't believe in the divinity of Christ. That alone should have gotten the entire NCW canonically condemned and excommunicated long ago.

    He and Carmen must have paid the Vatican a king's ransom to get away with spreading their obscene heresies and liturgical abuses. They gave their stupid groupies a road map straight to hell.

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  16. Based on the research of Frenchie and others, posted on this blog, and my background knowledge, I have developed a theory or hypothesis.

    I suspect that, Kiko and Karmen having had their bright idea, while trying it out in Palomeras Altas, stumbled across evidence of misdoings in the shanty under Archbishop Morcillo's authority. In this scenario, instead of having the misconduct properly dealt with, and instead of meantime maturely mentoring the "initiators" to try and knock their "way" into reasonable shape, it would appear Morcillo would have hustled them straight out of the country and into the arms of his "fixer" friends in Rome (which is both a very sophisticated diocese, and in immediate proximity to the Vatican).

    I therefore think the damage was irrevocably done by 1964 at the latest, with Morcillo and his "fixer" friends the ultimate villains. These people introduced K & K to the Red Brigades (Gennarinis, Pallu) as well as ensuring that ever after, strings would be pulled. These "fixers" also ensured that the pattern of seeking out dioceses with skeletons would get replicated as per the teachings of Girardian mimetics/memetics.

    What bright-eyed present day "chancellor" or "monsignor" in his mid forties in present day Westminster would know what had been going on in Hume's patch to make him naively fall for this. Certainly, I remember myself, in my own locality at the time, young as I was, how, suddenly, no fellow Catholics seemed able to tell me what the Catholic religion was any more, so it's no wonder in itself that it just got invented from a vacuum at that time.

    In my "way" days I do recall we were often told the move into Guam was strategic and the name Gennarini was that mentioned most often after K & K.

    At the end of the day it's the emotional and organisational abuse that's the worst of the evils. Apart from a valiant handful, the Vatican at large doesn't care about liturgy or doctrine.

    Most neo members don't know they are being led by the nose because misplaced deference is standard throughout the church anyway, hence they can't tell the difference.

    One is told one is going to be "initiated" then one sits through years of waffle and one may or may not get told (or notice getting told) that Christ wasn't divine (allowing for variations across localities and across the years).

    By the time one ought to have been "initiated" (for example, maximum four years by my own yardstick) one can't remember why one joined and has had passivity drummed into one and it will still be nearly another decade before they start instructing you in prayer (well after the "way" is supposed to be "finished" even in the alleged "statutes").

    It's naïve of ordinary Catholics to think the Vatican congregations or the Popes will keep the Church in order, the former because they probably don't want, on the whole, the latter because he isn't strong enough. We've all got to play our part, especially in our prayers.

    If no-one is explicitly loosing the members from their false bonds (as we weren't), we must pray for them extra. Responsibles and especially itinerants are a different and far more difficult case.

    The "way" started with serious weak areas but over more than 50 years practices especially relational and organisational have got far worse.

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  17. As for "king's ransoms" I would be interested if Turks & Caicos crop up in the Paradise papers. Apparently Karmen's uncles and aunts had a peseta or two to spare. That would be enough for a start-up, and after that there is appeals to our "better" nature in regard to "missions", "domuses" and what have you. What a shame for them I was so hard up all those years and couldn't even afford to have my name written on a brick.

    I don't think the NCW is an isolated phenomemon, inside the RCC, it just happens to be the one that's most in our faces and the itinerants do seems to be getting more and more reckless.

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