Tuesday, July 15, 2014

SO THEY'RE ALL IN A STIR

...over my posting about the meeting yesterday. Like it, like everything else, is supposed to be a secret. Whose Church is it anyway? Look for a major post tonight.

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  1. Good question!!!

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    1. Janet B - MangilaoJuly 16, 2014 at 12:13 PM

      Wasn't it St Paul who said we are many parts but one body? I don't think he was talking about just the clergy. He was addressing the entire Church, all the faithful. While it is true that a meeting with every party involved would likely be a mess, imagine 2,000 people wanting to meet all at once, it is also true that the clergy are supposed to serve us.

      So we accept the fact that they lead the Church and are rightfully expected to sit and discuss how to resolve the many issues that our local church faces. They have done this on Monday and Tuesday. But once they have decided on a course of action, don't we have a right to know where we are headed?

      But that is the problem with our local Church. They don't want us to know anything. The want to keep power all nice and tightly wrapped among a small elite few, and the less we know the better.

      As my grandmother used to say, if you always speak the truth then you have nothing to hide and no need to fear who hears it.

      Oops. Now I see why Archbishop Anthony wants these meetings to be secret.
      How tragic!

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  2. I think somebody is addicted to secrets.

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  3. Look for a major post tonight! What does that mean?

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    1. Arrival of cardinal tagle expected. Major post .

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  4. Secrecy is what got this archdiocese in trouble; transparency is what is going to clean it up.

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  5. Something I can look forward to reading when I land in Guam — great!!

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  6. Ai adai si Archbishop. Gag order for everyone.

    Shh. We are not supposed to know.

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  7. You are putting us in suspense, Tim.! You hit the mark!

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  8. Gag order operation. Serious.

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  9. Tim, how are you getting all the information about the clergy meeting??? I know that we have some priests talk about these situation to the laity, but to make your verification about the meeting variable, who is your intel? But, the clergy in the meeting sometimes make what is supposed to be an internal meeting external so that people outside the room or that are not in the meeting , know so much. I pray for everyone that we should all let the clergy solve this problem. I believe if someone goes against the bishop goes against the local church. Remember that each priest share in the priesthood of the bishop.
    - RC

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    1. Email me with your contact information. And you are wrong about the bishop. When the bishop goes against the church, we go against the bishop.

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    2. When a bishop goes against faith or morals do not follow him. Follow the natural law. It is a higher law than any bishop. Conscience natural law higher authority.

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    3. Sources of information shouldndn't be a concern. Those sources should be protected.

      Tim has integrity and we should all know that by now.

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    4. Janet B - MangilaoJuly 16, 2014 at 11:14 AM

      By my baptism I also share in a common priesthood. Not minsterial, but a common priesthood still. Therefore, I as a baptized Catholic have a responsibility to protect the faith, even if the threat comes from our Archbishop. If you are baptized then you have that same responsibility. We are in this mess because the leader of our local Church is our biggest threat, and no one has stood up to that threat for many years.
      Thank goodness people are finally starting to question actions that should be questioned!
      I hereby DARE any kiko to defend the Archbishop's action in his incardination of a priest with an accusation of sex abuse hanging over his head without a full and complete investigation.
      Better yet, why not wait until Fr John Wadeson's order, SVD, complete their investigation, or the Archdiocese of Los Angeles complete its' investigation. Once his name has been cleared by these groups then he could be incardinated of we really needed him.
      But to ignore such an ominous warning as "this priest has no faculties - do not let him near your parish" is pretty bad administration by our administrator, Archbishop Anthony. Nuncio, I hope while you are still here on Guam can look into this matter. Ask for the documents of the investigation our local Church did before he was incardinated, or ask for any records related to this man.
      In the meantime, Fr John should be removed. Isn't that the policy? Once his name has been cleared then he can return to active ministry.
      Funny thing about this Archdiocese, he doesn't even HAVE an active ministry here on Guam. I wonder if San Francisco is even aware of this man's presence and the abuse allegation that hasn't been settled yet? But as Tim would say, that's another story!

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    5. A Prayerful PriestJuly 17, 2014 at 12:01 AM

      Anonymous July 15, 2014 at 11:52 PM said:
      " ... I pray for everyone that we should all let the clergy solve this problem. ... Remember that each priest share in the priesthood of the bishop."

      Please remember that the clergy tried to solve this mess in 2011 when they hired CARA from Georgetown University to intensively study the Archdiocese. After months of individual and group interviews, assembling questionaire data and analysis, the clergy met for three days to discuss as an entire group and CARA helped them come up with quite a long list of actions to move in the right direction. It is was epic effort. But nothing ever happened after CARA left. Only the outcry from the laity has worked to bring this back onto the radar screen. If you stop now we will have no way to push the Archbishop to make the necessary changes.
      While it is true that we share in the same priesthood as the Archbishop, we do not all share in his practices and values, and spirituality. It is the beauty of diversity many of us are fighting to retain. Clearly, the Archbishop needs to change, if he doesn't we will all continue to see our Church slowly erode.
      A Prayerful Priest

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  10. They are all in a stir because the blog is shaking the tree, and we are now seeing all the rotten fruits falling to the ground. As soon as we shake the last rotten fruit off, the tree can grow back and be healthy again.

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    1. Archbishop Krebs said Rome will not enter into internal problems. This gives the people of God the right to now move forward with force to take action on their own.

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    2. Junglewatch reveals truths. It is the right of investigators to discover the truth and publish. This is private journalism it has no laws what they can do to obtain the truth.

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    3. Diana has been told she is the problem.

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    4. Everyone is labeled as being a problem, except the Chancery. Diana may be a problem but the MAIN BLAME should be pointed at the Chancery. Diana's actions and writing are cause by her being blinded to the truth Wake up call needed here!

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    5. Sad but true, chances are good that Diana IS the Chancery.

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  11. Congrats on hitting the 500k mark Let's take these pageviews a step forward.

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  12. Well, I did it. Just told Diana to shut the hell up. Even if this is not posted, I still feel a little better. If it is Adrian, a priest, God forgive me.

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  13. Oh my gosh... I hope it is true what I heard Tim. Moving forward. I'll PM or call you. So EXCITED!

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  14. For those asking about a recording. Email me.

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