Sunday, August 31, 2014

SEX TALK AT MASS. DETAILS AT THE CATECHESIS.

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Good morning

I am a parishioner of St. Joseph church and at the 730am mass after the final blessing a gentleman approached the altar asking the congregation to join their catechesis. He was boasting about how he had affairs, abused drugs and alcohol and strayed from the mother church until he found his way!!

During this time all you hear was whispering amongst the parishioners, some of them even walked out. 

They passed out flyers at the end which said they they will be holding their catechesis starting Sept. 1 Mondays and Fridays and FREE BABYSITTING SERVICES!!


This is a outrage! STAY OUT OF OUR CHURCH, St. JOSEPH Parishioners WE NEED TO START A PETITION! 

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  1. Never mind the petition. You need to personally confront the people who are abusing the Mass and subjecting your children to this kind of adults only talk.

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    1. I agree with Tim. Stop giving them too much respect. It's time to call them out and let them know how you feel. Let the priest know that anymore stunt like what they pulled will not be received well by the parishioners.

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    2. Tim, you need to stop! Stop the path you seem to be choosing to take. You are inciting physical confrontation which can lead to violence.

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    3. Who needs to stop? If a man spoke in front of my children at Mass about his affairs...!!! Think about it. Who is it that needs to stop!

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    4. It is telling though that you kikos think of the word "confront" as a physical altercation. Never even occurred to me. Confront to me means confront people with the truth. The use if Mass for such garbage is not permitted. And the people need to begin caring about that.

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    5. They do this at every mass before they start a new community. In Agana Cathedral, the testimony is the same with the AAA sitting with them encouraging them.

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    6. How very interesting … When I read Tim's statement "You need to PERSONALLY CONFRONT the people …" (my emphasis), I interpreted "personally confront" as the act of speaking to the person about one's concern. But somehow Anonymous (August 31, 2014 at 10:19 AM) interpreted "personally confront" as a "PHYSICAL confrontation which can lead to VIOLENCE" (my emphases). REALLY?!?

      I don't know for sure if Anonymous @ 10:19 AM is a member of the NCW, but that defensive response indicates a strong possibility. The very fact that he/she automatically assumes that "personally confront" has nothing to do with words but rather with violent action is very revealing about the mindset of some members — those I refer to as Kikos/Kikobots. Tim has been informed that there is a bat with his name on it … there have been references to people who use words to criticize AAA or "THEE WAY" as being targets for extermination.

      Clearly "THEE WAY" is about ACTION — the elimination of those in opposition — with words used as tools for insults and/or intimidation. Admittedly, most of the Non-NCWs here in "The Jungle" are not about Action, but more about using words as tools for the communication of factual information and/or personal opinions — and, unfortunately, insults as well..

      FYI: Anonymous @ 10:19 AM, it is YOU who needs to "stop the path" of "physical confrontation which can lead to violence" that you seem inclined to take. Remember:
      • To Non-NCW Persons, "Confrontation" = Speaking words to communicate
      • To "THEE WAY" Members, "Confrontation" = Physical confrontation which can lead to violence.

      Is this how you want members of "THEE WAY" to be perceived? As people inclined to engage in "physical confrontation which can lead to violence" because they are unable to engage their minds to think rationally and speak coherently?

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    7. My understanding of the NCW is to find the lost sheep, those who have strayed away from the church and bring them back to her. I don't understand why they are preaching to those IN the church!! Somsing wong here!

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    8. Everyone should just start walking out once they start their talk. That should send them a message.

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    9. Tim has a bat with his name on it? Criticizers of AAA and the NCW are targets for extermination? I'm telling you, this sounds very mafia-ish.

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    10. I am anon at 10:19am. I am not a member of NCW. Just a very concerned parent.

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    11. Anonymous (August 31, 2014 at 1:50 PM), you can see for yourself at “Don’t Mess With the Caps” (http://www.junglewatch.info/2014/03/dont-mess-with-caps.html) in which Anonymous (March 5 @ 12:33 PM) writes, “… Tim ROHR. I have a Louisville Bat here that have your name …”

      There is also this comment from “A Letter from Fr. Efren” (http://www.junglewatch.info/2014/07/a-letter-from-fr-efren-adversario.html#comment-form) in which Anonymous (August 1 @ 11:23 AM) writes, “Individuals who are critical of aaa in PDN have been identified by the Neo community for extermination.”

      Of course there are other threats, but these are the ones I have made notes of because I found them so disturbing since they both denoted a certain degree of violence and/or physical harm!

      What is curious is how “Diana” and the other Kikos/Kikobots twist criticisms about the NCW and/or AAA into “persecutions” and threats simply because that is their mindset. It’s very unfortunate and unhealthy, IMO.

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    12. Anonymous (August 31, 2014 at 10:19 AM and 1:50 PM), I thank you for your clarification that you are not a member of NCW and that you were writing as a "very concerned parent." I myself am a very concerned Grandparent who is fighting to protect the AUTHENTIC Faith of our One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church for the sake of my Grandchildren and who puts my name on my comments because I believe in what I write. I stand by what I wrote in response to your 10:19 AM comment — that your interpretation of "personally confront" was very much along the lines of the mindset of the more militant NCW members who are inclined to insults and threats.

      I’m guessing that you may be a newcomer to the discussions here in JungleWatch and, as a result of your level of concern, you automatically assumed physical violence when Tim wrote the need to "personally confront" the individual who profaned the Mass. Tim — and even members of his family — has had to endure insults and/or threats over the past year but he has always used words — not threats of physical harm — to deal with those individuals.

      I hope knowing this will put your mind at rest and that you will continue to read not just Tim’s posts but also the comments that, at times, can be very informative.

      God bless you.

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  2. Record everything.

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  3. This givens my children the impression that, Oh, it is okay to do drug, have affairs, be a drunk, and go gamble, because they will always be an outlet in life. That outlet is the WAY!

    Keep your dirty laundry in your community. Think before you speak! Think about what type of audience you will be addressing! There are things some of us don't want are children to hear or be exposed to!

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  4. Time for bold action. Tell them to stop it and their presence is not welcome. Time to wake up and take action. No more letters action to stop the abuse .

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  5. Respect is no longer and option . Beyond respect at this stage.

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  6. Maybe this is the same parishioner from inarajan who doesn't like the new administrator fr. Romey cause they changed the mass schedule and its not fitting for this persons time. Haha. Inarajan does have a small neo community of 6 but if you don't want to join, you don't have to.
    Also, be thankful that the inarajan administrator priest fr. Romey didn't allow the RSM seminarian or Neo people to do their announcement after his homily but after the post communion prayer.

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    1. It’s not a matter of not wanting to join. It’s a matter of being able to go to Mass with your family and not have this crap shoved in your face.

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  7. After the final blessing? Well, the Mass is technically finished....GO! in peace. Isn't that one of their tactics, holding the people "hostage"? The perfect sending forth hymn would have been "Katoliku"! I probably would have stayed just to listen to where the food was! Na Tatatumano anyone?

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    1. According to 11:59, it was after the post-communion prayer and before the final blessing. But so long at the priest is still in the sanctuary it is still considered "Mass".

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  8. to profane the mass! shows how little they think of sanctity. to a kiko church is just another gathering point and not the house of God. that is why they do not need or have use for a church, they believe a celebration is a house, hotel, or gym is just the same as consecrated grounds.

    yet the Archbishop won't allow mass at veterans cemetery. what is with that?

    worst of all, as pointed out by others, is that they think nothing of subjecting our children to these portraying of infidelities and substance abuse. have they no brains?

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  9. Tim is right. Confrontation does not denote physical altercation. Establish your voice and strong involvement in your parish. Join the Christian Mothers, Legion of Mary, Dawn Rosary group, Knights of Columbus, Cursillo, Couples for Christ and/or parish council. Become a Lector, Extraordinary Minister, usher, or join the choir. In most parishes on the island, there are many of these organizations that coexist and work together to help their parish thrive and build a strong community of faith.

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  10. Maybe a NEO can answer this question that no one has HONESTY done! I am still waiting for an answer! It seems Diana does not want to post it or answer!

    A FD boy commented that they are no longer children and should not be shielded by parents on what AAA preached at FD.

    Yes, there comes a time when every parent needs to open the cages and let their children fly into the challeges of the world. My question is, if this is the case, then why in heavens are the NON NEO people being shielded from becoming sponsors for Baptism, Confirmation, Marriages etc. Why are the young adults shielded from dating from outside the community? Why, Why, Why?

    Are we such evil people that ONLY the NEOS are deserving to become sponsored for NEO MEMBERS! Sumsing is Wong here! I am just as good a Christian as the person sitting next to me! If a NEO member asks me to be a sponsor doesn't that show that I am WORTHY? Guess not! I was just told that I do not know the program! Thank you so much....we will see how GOD looks at this during the very last judgement!

    To my friends who are NEOS, if this is what you truly believe in then we can all go our merry way! Do not be my friend if you truly do not mean it!

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    1. I always wondered why the neos are generalized as a no-nonsense group as a whole. So in their defense, I go to Diana's blog and found the answer. Father Pius is the head man here on Guam for the neos. Diana writes that HE said for people to read her blog instead of the "other blogs". This in effect is saying that he agrees with all that Diana says and therefore Diana IS the voice of all the neos. After reading some of the stuff she writes and seeing that none of the neos ever say anything to disassociate themselves from her, I now see why.

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    2. Yes, if they truly believe in Kiko Arguello, they can all go on their own merry way, because I believe he is the satan that has come into the Catholic Church to divide and destroy her! But God will prevail as we are already seeing more & more coming out to stand up against this evil satan! We will forge on!!

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    3. But the AAA instructed not to read the blogs....all the blogs....sounds like Father Pius is encouraging neos to be disobedient to the Archbishop. AAA wake up you have abdicated your position to Pius....The Pope didn't appoint him as Archbishop for Guam. Why are you allowing this?

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    4. But the neos say what AAA meant is only Jungle Watch and The Thoughtful Catholic are the blogs not to be read.

      Nonsense again....

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  11. Isn't kind of late for St Joseph church. You already have a Neo priest. Then a drunkard, rapist, adulterer, murderer or whatever this person standing in front of you and your children, trying to convince you to join the way because it help in dealing with his crimes. Soon they will tell you to give up all you assets and follow the way, because your problem is your culture.
    Once you fall into their way, you are doomed to be in their cult. They will own you.

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  12. Wasnt't there a NEO priest in Merizo before Pale' Mike? Where did he go? Heard he was shipped out because he informed the NCW that he saw no need for Merizo to form another community because he saw how devoted the people of Merizo were to The Lord.

    Some say he went back tomPoland to take care of his ailing mother! A few years ago, there was an article from Sacred Hearts School in Honolulu that said priest presided over a ceremony there. Now I hear he is back in Jersey!

    Why was he actually sent back? Is it because he saw the tru faith of the Merizo people? When one does not see eye to eye with the NCW and their superiors, they get shipped out! It is said that this Priest, Father W (not Father Wadeson) was much loved by the people of Merizo and he in turned loved them as well!

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    1. Yes. He was different. Maybe that was the problem. He was ther after Pale Mike.

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    2. Was that Fr. Woijeck (not sure if that's how you spell it)? He was in Barrigada before he was down in Merizo. He was indeed different from many of the other Neo priests. I had a good experience with him as a priest. Too bad he has left Guam. :(

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    3. Fr. Woijeck is not incardinated in Guam.

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    4. Fr. Wojciech Jaskowiak was an awesome priest. He may have been neo but he didn't put any pressure on us to join. It was always an invitation. The people of San Dimas Church were never given a reason why he left. He had gone to Poland to be with his ailing mother who eventually was called to her rest. Time went on and we were told he wasn't coming back. No explanation. We were told he'd be back to get his things (still in the konbentu) but he never came back. NO ONE has heard from him. When we ask, they tell us they don't know. We ask other priests (neo), they tell us we can "google" him. Next thing you know we have Fr. Art, another neo priest. He too was one who did not pressure us to join. Just a few years later, he's told he's going to Asia on a mission. Then enters Fr. Luis. Yet still, there's a "small" community that combines Umatac and Merizo. I think the perssure is on to increase the numbers of members in the community. I'm starting to feel the pressue.

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    5. Wojciech was part of beginning group of RMS Seminarians. He is incardinated in NEWARK. Served here to get NEO going on down south, I guess. His Pastor is Ivan the Terrible.

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    6. 7:28 Is this Ivan from Agat who helps out at the seminary? Why is he terrible?

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  13. Was there a testimony also at the Cathedral Basilica today? Just wondering since the mass was not broadcasted over the 90.5 FM station. I usually listen to it in the morning!

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    1. 90.9. The engineer is off island.

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    2. It wasn't on TV or the internet either.

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  14. I am a parishioner of the Agana Cathedral and I recall that NCW testimonies were allowed during the part of the Mass reserved for the homily...like the invitation was halftime advertisement! And yes, with the okay from AAA...Thanks Tim for opening my eyes!!!

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    1. Yes, I too remember homilies cut short at the Basilica to allow the NCW recruitment speeches, with the archbishop sitting in the pew with the community. It wasn't even right before the final blessing. You are right..halftime.!!! NEO recruiters, I will not take those invitation cards from you at the door. I might have to leave and finish the MASS at another parish...

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    2. That's what I did. Walked out. Went elsewhere. However. AAA is determined to make sure that soon there will be no "elsewhere" to go.

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    3. Lucky for those who have military benefits, they have a choice!

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  15. Katoliku and Atan Belen Del Karmen use to be the Archies favorite Chamorro church hymn.
    guess that changed and is why he's confuse. Ai lokue.......

    Mr. Tim, before all this confusion with the Neo group I wasn't well educated as to their teaching but always wondered why we needed to have two group in our church. It's seems like a take over so that we can now look to KIKO as our POPE. I know it's to late for Agat, they now have Alberto down there.......oh yea and he's on retreat so we'll see what happens when he gets back.

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  16. He will never get through the military diocese on Guam.

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    1. Archbishop Apuron would do well as the Archbishop for the military archdiocese. His Excellency would be able to fly all over the world free of charge.

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  17. If these people want to "witness" then they should go join a southern baptist church. Leave our Catholic Church.

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    1. The Baptist would not want them. The Baptists may be a different Christian denomination, but those that I know are wonderful people. Not like any of our our "Neo Catholics" that we have had the pleasure of putting up with. Please do not throw trash and feces at them, the Baptists do not deserve the NEO in their midst, as how WE the true Catholics do not need the NEOs!

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  18. UncleScrewtape: (whispering) wormwood, I see you have done well with the good house of Joseph, but be subtle and do not inspire an awakening of the prayerful ones, for their intercessor as you know can swipe the lot of you little waifs, if you have to, call upon your brother LEGION, for he will attend to you at once. There is already notice of your doings in his parish and they are now forging with his Brother Francis! Let LEGION take the lead on this, spread our errors throughout the land of SanVitores, but be gentle and they will acquiesce to your intrigues.

    Wormwood: Of course Uncle, LEGION has already shown me a trick or two in Pride, Arrogance, Lust and Greed. He is quite the teacher. We’ve already weaken the one with the Mitre, a little more apathy and indifference for his flock and we shall receive him into our fathers house below.

    UncleScrewtape: heheheh Wormwood, if I didn’t know any better I swear you had some good in you…but you will be greatly rewarded upon our reception of the Heir of Peter….HHAHHAHAAH…once he is secured to us the rest of the flock will follow! OH the punishment is GREAT for this one for he is charged to be the Light of our Enemy for his flock. Remember Wormwood, do not permit his ordained ones to preach of us and our plan of destruction. The more their minds are numb and do not see our existence the sweeter the end will be.

    Wormwood: Yes Uncle, the wolves are already in our enemies House and slowly devouring the unsuspecting, and dissident abound with the prudent use of morality and indifference for their Holy Sacraments. We will continue to blind their minds of the truths of our dwelling below where the soul roasts for eternity and the pains NEVER ENDS!

    UncleScrewtape: Wormwood! You little devil!
    Wormwood: heheheh

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  19. i was at a sunday Mass at st anthony several years ago when neocats did their homily ambush/takeover. i think it was fr bibi who passed the mic around to the witnessers. i was, like: people don't want to or care to hear this; this is absolutely not the proper time; there are kids listening.

    but my family and i stayed for the rest of the Mass (not that it's ever easy to leave anyway, given the parking situation there). we dismissed it as just a strange and a bit annoying interruption. thankfully they didn't do that again, as i recall.

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    1. It's been a while now. Haven't seen that big banner "Invitation to Joy!" for quite some time now. I guess they realized that taking over homilies is gonna raise some eyebrows. Just imagine if we all accept their invitation to joy, who will actually attend mass at St. Anthony. We will all be attending at the hall next to the covered parking garage for the priests. We won't fit. And so while we are meeting outside the church, they will renovate the church and when it is done we will all be back to church and find the cross changed and the altar moved forward. I guess if we don't know any better, we will not notice. But we will.

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    2. It was at St. Anthony's years ago that we had to listen to NCW Pat (the tall) testifying of being "passed from man to man." I remember turning in shock to the woman next to me and asking, "Would you get up and say something like that in front of everyone?" I used to joke every time I saw the "Invitation to Joy" that the sign should more accurately say, "Invitation to Harassment."

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    3. i guess my instincts were right when i viewed those "invitation to joy!" banners with suspicion, when they first showed up at st anthony. that was, what, 18 years ago now, i think?

      the reason i was suspicious about it was that every time i asked what that banner was about, i couldn't get a definite answer. at first it sounded like simple lectures, like a normal Bible study or something. next thing i knew, people who had gone to the talks started greeting each other with their own special greetings--what was it again, "joy!" with a kiss? ... and now, in 2014, we've got this situation.

      it was several years later, when i had to sit through the neocat homily takeover. i guess the innocent-looking "invitation" banner couldn't cut it anymore. they needed a more in-your-face kind of strategy.

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    4. Not getting "a definite answer" is the standard experience. Everything is hidden. This is on purpose. They say all we have to do is "attend" and experience for ourselves. Our church does not teach that. When we question, our church directs us to the sources. This is why the church has always taken great pains to formulate into words and examinable documents every aspect of the faith. The Neo's do the exact opposite. Doing the exact opposite of what the Catholic Church itself does and takes great pains to do is "protestant".

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  20. Innovations that removes Reverence from practically all of the Seven Sacraments and is not Christ, solely centered, is and should be everyone's grave concern for the salvation of our souls.

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