Friday, August 8, 2014

SIGN THE PETITION


NOTE: While some may be asking why only 250 people have signed their names to this petition, we are marveling that that's almost 13,000% more people than have put their name to anything thus far. But also, we received several inquiries asking who Fr. Pius is. That's a good question. Though he's on two payrolls (the seminary and the archdiocese) and lives with the Archbishop, he is rarely visible. THAT should be a clue as to why this petition was important. Thank you for your participation.We have now posted  a petition concerning two people who are much better known.



PETITION OF CONCERN REGARDING THE ACTIONS, WORDS, AND INFLUENCE OF FR. PIUS SAMMUT O.C.D.


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P. Saverio Cannistrà O.C.D.
General Superior
Casa Generalizia dei Carmelitani Scalzi
Corso d’Italia, 38
00198 Roma – ITALIA

Tel. +39 06 85 44 32 30
Fax. +39 06 85 44 32 79
ocdgen@gmail.com
Dear Father General,
We believe that Fr. Pius Sammut O.C.D. has had a largely negative influence on the administration of the Archdiocese of Agana and that his words and actions here as a leader of the Neocatechumenal Way have had a divisive effect on the Church of God in Guam for the better part of two decades.
We ask that you review his words, actions, and influence on Guam to ensure that it is compatible with the mission of the Discalced Carmelites and that you assert your appropriate authority to guaranty that Fr. Sammut’s work here on Guam comports to the high ideals of his Carmelite order.
If necessary, please remove him from service in Guam.
Go here to sign the petition. 

84 comments:

  1. Hope you stay healthy Chucky. May God have mercy on you.

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    1. Oh, has somebody assembled a team of thugs? Precious. Should we include that info with the petition? Let me know.

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    2. OMG you crazy NEOS and your threats. You are all like wild animals trapped in a cage.

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    3. Include all you want ;)

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    4. Anonymous (August 5, 2014 at 3:15 PM), you and Anonymous (August 5, 2014 at 11:23 AM) who wrote "Individuals who are critical of aaa in PDN have been identified by the Neo community for extermination" on a previous post must be prime examples of the (rotten) "FRUIT" of the NCW!!

      Kiko must be so proud of the two of you!!

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    5. What a sad display of support for your cause. You've had this petition up for two days and haven't even cracked 200 people to sign. Maybe this is proof of how much support you really have? You can't even mobilize your supposed concerned Catholics. You're probably just a small bunch of internet trolls too lazy to even get off your butt and get people to sign because you're too busy sitting down eating and trolling at your computers and phones. So much for this petition. SAD!!!!!!! You guys should've been in the thousands by now. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

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    6. At 12:35. That's about 2000% more people using their names than were using them before. 2000% more people with more courage than your pathetic little cowardly anonymous comment. SAD!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

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    7. Hahahaha, yes, I just are Cheetos . I also just used the gmail address of Pius' boss. Licking my fingers orange all over them. Bye.

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  2. Haha can't wait to see this outcome

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  3. Was that a threat I hear, AnonymousAugust 5, 2014 at 3:15 PM?
    Yet you hide in the woodwork?

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  4. ....no worries Chuck....got his location...just in case hehehe.....

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  5. @315 may God have mercy on your pitiful thug self, you low life, threatening because of petition to investigate? If there is nothing to hide, then what's your fear? Coward. I hope you know that your threatening dumb ass ISP can be traced. Save your threats for your 730 meeting at the church that belongs to the rest of us.

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    1. AnonymousAugust 5, 2014 at 5:40 PM Oh really, are you tracing IP addresses of users here? I work closely with US AG, show yourself and your real name so I can submit your name.
      Are you the ordain hacker here? Since this is a HATE blog, the DOD is keeping an eye on this blog.

      William Welch

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    2. Actually William I have already submitted my concerns to the FBI given the threats I have received via the comments, most of which I have not published. The IP addresses of the service providers traceable to those comments is public information and is provided by a stat tracker attached to this blog. I don't know who the other person is who said they are tracking IP addresses, but I am fully within my rights to install a stat tracker and keep a history of visitors to this blog. However, given the ESL nature of your comment, I doubt your name is William Welch or that the DOD is "keeping an eye on this blog". LOL.

      In fact, since you logged on from Santa Rita, I think we all know your real name.

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    3. Kind of sickening to say the least.

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    4. Three months till ordination. Just saying.

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    5. The person who wrote it lives in Mongmong/Toto to be exact- a loop near Aragon Street. The free IP trackers are all over the web. just did it.

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    6. Nice choice of name- Coward!

      William Welch II is the former Chief of the Public Integrity Section of the United States Department of Justice (DOJ). Welch is noted chiefly for his role in the prosecution of former Alaska Senator Ted Stevens and the prosecution of U.S. intelligence community whistleblowers for alleged leaks to the press.

      Welch resigned on April 16, 2012, amid allegations that the DOJ Public Integrity Section had purposefully hid exculpatory evidence in the case against Stevens.

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    7. @5:20...so GENIUS says dept of Defense is watching Tims blog. Oh, well, had me sweating for a second there, GENIUS.

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    8. Report him to FBI. identity theft, impersonation, etc. then we'll see who's laughing.
      HAHAHAHA

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    9. Soon bells will be ringing, ding-a-ling-a-ling! Then the song "Hark the Harold" would be heard. Father Michael J. will be singing the solo "I'm Sorry, so sorry, and Cry me a river".

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  6. Chuck is healthy as far as I know because he didn't drink the kikoolaid

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  7. How about a similar petition for Apuron?

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  8. Gotta petition to get rid of Pius first! He is a vulture feeding off the people! Pius, have you had your dinner? When you wake up in the morning make sure you have a good breakfast. Maybe just coffee. We don't want you barfing later on during the day. Make sure you have a box of tissue handy so you can wipe Anthoneo Apuwrongee's tears away.

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  9. I agree- Let's do a similar petition for Apuron to the Vatican and Nuncio. As well as printed ones that we can circulate in our parishes. I bet (no pun intended) we can easily get 20,000 signatures in a span of weeks.

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  10. Guess The talk about all this shit happening shows on this petition! What happened to your army Chuck? Guess they came to their senses!

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    1. People were at work when this was made. Give it time. Its not like this was on pdn or something... Or at least not yet anyways.

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    2. Have you seen the names of the people who signed? These people have LARGE families and influence in the community. God bless them in their works and for their courage. Once it goes public the world can sign as well where PIUS has done damage.

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  11. Sorry, this comment does not fit into this section, but I can't seem to find the section on the NCW and obedience. I just posted on Diana's post questioning her article the auditors' report. I know that she will not post it.

    My question is why point the finger at Msgr James regarding the mismanagement of funds? Why is it that she will defend the Archbishop all the way on this matter, when he himself did not answer to Nuncio Balvo's request? Disobedience! Yes it is! So my dear NCW NOT PREACH on OBEDIENCE when the Archbishop does not even practice this. The facts are there, so do not make excuses for this action! OBEDIENCE? MY ASS!

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  12. I wrote my letter to sammuts order privately but your dumb comment will surely fan flames

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  13. Dear Petition Signers:

    Remember to check your email. Then click on the confirmation link to finalize the process of getting your name on the petition.

    Si Yu'os Ma'ase.

    Chuck

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    1. I also encourage everyone to copy/paste the petition and send it to your family and friends via email so that they can access the petition easily.

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    2. I'm guessing there might be an issue with guam.net account holders. My husband, who has an email account with guam.net, didn't find his confirmation email link after he signed last night. I told him to check his spam/junk folder but he said he doesn't have one.

      He tried to sign again this morning, only to receive the message that he had signed via the same email address. His name finally showed up in the list this afternoon.

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  14. 8:30,

    It's only beginning, in time you will see. Hope you like the taste of your foot in your mouth.

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  15. Everyone must do their part. Take to social media. Copy the address of the link to this petition and post to your social media walls on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter. We are living in an age when information exchange can go viral at lightning speed but it takes each of you to participate. Text each other, call each other. Let's get this done!

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  16. 8:30 you poor thing.

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    1. Nah! Poor turn out

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    2. @Anon, 8/5/14, 11:38 pm. This is not a PDN poll that can be rigged by voting multiple times on the same computer. You actually have to confirm your participation. Dolt!

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  17. The buck stops with the Archbishop.

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  18. Janet B - MangilaoAugust 6, 2014 at 12:28 AM

    I encourage all people to let their voices be heard, it is the most powerful tool we have to stop the growing level of evil that has invaded our Archdiocese. I also invite those from off-island to participate, especially those who have visited Guam or have families still in GUam and can verify that Fr Pius has been a divisive influence.
    Fr Pius is also very active throughout the Pacific, including Hawaii, the CNMI, the Solomons, Samoa, Tahiti, PNG, Vanuatu, and many other locations. If you agree then you need to add your name to the petition. If you do not then prepare yourselves for an invasion when the Neo realizes their base in Guam has been totally overrun.
    Take a few minutes right now and sign the petition. Thank you and God bless Guam!

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    1. Fr.Matthew Blockley.August 6, 2014 at 11:50 AM

      Janet, every pacific Island Fr. pius operates should sign .

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  19. Janet B - MangilaoAugust 6, 2014 at 12:34 AM

    Congratulations Tim! Just three weeks ago, or 1 year after Fr Paul was ambushed, you reached the 500,000 page view milestone. Now, 21 days later you have broken 700,000. That's nearly 10,000 hits per day average.
    And the funny thing is that even the Archbishop is a contributor to the blog with comments and countless page views, as well as Fr Adrian/Diana, and even Msgr David finds time from his sick bed to search for good news.
    Sorry, nothing positive for you boys. Everybody now sees you three for exactly who you are and they cannot believe you three control the Church.
    But not for long. God is good and will restore our Church to the loving refuge that Jesus intended.
    Pizza pizza!

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    1. Janet B (12:34 AM), I noticed the very same thing. This blog reached the 500,000 page views milestone on 15 July 2014, the eve of the original goal date. Here we are, less than one month later, with 200,000 more page views! And that number continues to grow.

      The message of this blog has reached far beyond the shores of Guam — there have been visitors from 6 of the 7 continents, with only Antarctica missing from the Flag Counter!

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  20. What about those without email addresses? Is there a way for them to sign the petition?

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  21. If your friends want to sign the petition, tell them to google "pius guam". It'll be right near the top...

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    1. Okay, but I was going to suggest that this post remain at the top

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  22. Well problem here is some people would probably rather have a petition that is circulated for the mere fact that they don't want others to see their names posted. Guess they don't want to be targets. Any suggestions from anyone?

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    1. Well if you are right then there should not be a problem. Just put your name and and we'll see how it goes. If the ArchBishop is wrong then so be. If everybody is right, then shit hits the fan for me. Whats the worse that can happen? I mean the NCW is wrong and a problem right?

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    2. This is the first time, I believe, that we've actually put our real names on anything critical of the Neocatechumenal Way or its leaders here. So for that reason, even if only a few hundred sign it publicly, it's a good thing.

      If we really want to bring the light of truth to this situation, we're going to have to come out of the shadows and use our real names. I don't see any other way.

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    3. Is not LIGHT, is hate.

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    4. That is true, I hate what the archbishop is doing.

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    5. David G. it is a problem, because we have seen that there is retaliation for speaking out. for example
      Fr. Efren(sorry for using you as example Fr.). Here is a man with many years experience as pastor, yet he has not been appointed to any parish as such. Why, because he spoke out in the meeting with Krebs.

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  23. I agree with bumping this to top of jw

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  24. My confirmation went to my junk mail, check your junk mail.

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    1. CUS IS REALLY JUNK.

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    2. To AnonymousAugust 7, 2014 at 7:25 AM and AnonymousAugust 7, 2014 at 7:26 AM
      Really??? go comment on facelift's blog. We don't need your negative comments.
      You're really trying to build bridges aren't you? NOT!

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    3. Seminarians OFF the computer! TSA going to check for prints.

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    4. Anon 10:51AM ditto

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  25. 7:25 and :26 -- start your own blog...put your name down and ill be your first customer...promise!

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  26. Anony 1:14. Don't worry about 7:25 and 7:26 (same person I guess). He is just wishing he is right. But deep in his heart and conscience, he knows it couldn't be. Let him hold on to those straws.

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  27. My son goes to fdms. My son signed the petition. The kids there are very interested on how this turns out. It is very important for people to put their names to show support

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  28. I said it before: The end is near, very near, for Apuron and his cronies. It is now time for those associated with them, including employees at the Chancery, the Cathedral, the Umatuna Si Yuus, etc. to decide: stay loyal to them or stand up for the truth!

    When the change of administration comes, and it will surely come, how do you want to be described? As an Apuron loyalist?

    "A word to the wise is sufficient."

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  29. Fr. Matthew Blockley.August 7, 2014 at 9:19 PM


    Thank you Frank. At the close of the day when history is written those who signed will be proud. Those who stood for the cause of truth justice will always be remembered in your community.

    Those of us, like myself, on the outside of your community, have only contributed because of personal reasons. Only the people of your Island home of Guam can now bring about the change. But I have a great respect for Tim Rohr, chuck white, all of you who are simply doing what is right.

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  30. Chuck... I am no longer a practicing Catholic but I'm very much intrigued and at the same time disheartened at the wicked change of events here. Can I still sign the petition? I do not claim a parish at this time but I'm very supportive of what you're doing.

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    1. Anon 9:50 PM: We welcome your support. Stay tuned and you'll soon see a very appropriate way to help.

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  31. after reflecting on it for a couple of days, i've decided to sign the petition. it took me a while to decide because i don't live on guam anymore, and so i haven't witnessed any of the developments that have occurred in the guam church in the past several years.

    clearly, though, the situation has spiraled down astonishingly fast, beginning with the confusion over fr paul gofigan last year to the events of the past week.

    so, i signed the petition not because i fully concur with the first paragraph (because i only know what i see online), but more because the second paragraph simply asks for a review of fr pius by the discalced carmelite order.

    because the carmelite friars are not really present on guam, the review by the superiors should be reasonably independent. however, since his own order would be conducting the review, i expect the burden of proof will be on us, the petitioners.

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  32. Is the NCW a SECT or CULT?

    The August 6 PDN Voice of the People section published the esteemed opinions of two kikos trying to convince the island they are not a sect or a cult. Fr Adrian, number three in the Guam Church hierarchy and currently studying canon law, sternly warns us: “…calling the Neocatechumenal Way a ‘sect’ is absolutely false. This is the second time the term ‘sect’ has been used.” Those lawyer instincts in him hints that further use of this vile term should never happen in the public again! PDN be warned!

    He then throws in the kiko phrase we are so familiar with: Hey, so many Popes have allowed it, and Cardinals and Bishops, too. Somebody loves us, he cries out in indignation. But Adrian, didn’t other heresies exist in the Church as well?

    He concludes his enlightened thoughts with: “It is more than misinformation, it is also an injustice against the Catholic Church on Guam to falsely apply this terminology to a portion of the local community…” Wow, Fr Adrian has certainly learned well in his studies at the DeVry school of Canon Law.

    HOWEVER, real attorneys know that definitions are important, so I would like to help Fr Adrian in his goal to become a real lawyer. The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines sect as:
    “:a religious group that is a smaller part of a larger group and whose members all share similar beliefs
    : a religious or political group that is connected to a larger group but that has beliefs that differ greatly from those of the main group.”

    Shall we rewrite the dictionary to help you, Fr Adrian? You yourself admit that the Neo is a subset of the larger group, “a portion of the local community…”. It is about 500 members in all, out of about 135,000 members of the Guam Catholic community, according to your Archbishop.

    Your members are all indoctrinated with the same “secret” catechism so that all members will have similar beliefs. And I think a reasonable man would look at your practices and beliefs and conclude that kikos are radically different from the main group. Sounds to me like you need to review the dictionary better, because you certainly seem to fit this definition. Noah Webster further clarifies that a sect is “a group adhering to a distinctive doctrine or to a leader”. Sounds like the kikos pretty much meet these definitions. BUT WAIT! Melvin W. Quinene adds that we are ludicrous to call the Neo a cult or sect.

    to be continued…

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    1. Adrian studying Canon Law? An online course? Who is doing the on line classes for him? When does he have time to do it? He is undertaking so many things that there seem to be no time for sleep. Who is actually taking the course You or someone pretending to be you, Father Adrian? You are not smart and it shows in your homilies.

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    2. Diana is taking the online canon law class for Adrian. Don't expect much from him.

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  33. Is the NCW a SECT or a CULT?
    continuation…

    In his letter he states that: “Masses are celebrated in much the same way as at the regular parish masses…”. Really? So why did you have to get different statutes to celebrate differently? You have 3 hour masses, with group sharing for the homily, admonitions, and celebrate in private masses, outside the Church. You even acknowledge that there is a regular parish; and then there is your kiko mass. That doesn’t sound very similar to me.

    Melvin continues that members had fallen away from Mother Church and have been in crisis. OK. Let’s see what Merriam-Webster has to say about cults and compare to Melvin’s own description of the “Way”. According to the experts, a cult is:
    “: a small religious group that is not part of a larger and more accepted religion and that has beliefs regarded by many people as extreme or dangerous
    : a situation in which people admire and care about something or someone very much or too much
    : a small group of very devoted supporters or fans

    Well, they are kind of a part of the Church, as Fr Adrian tries to show, but they really operate more as a parallel church. They have their own private celebrations, their own seminaries, and their own catechesis. Kiko has more authority over the kikos than the Archbishop. In addition to their eucharist, they also receive their other sacraments apart from Mother Church. And according to Melvin “… they have stopped going to Mother Church and are coming back to her…” So they are not a part of the Church while in the Way, but one day plan to come back to the regular Church.

    That begs the question: why is our Archdiocese led by a shepherd who has fallen away from Mother Church?

    Now as for the second and third definitions, we don’t need to spend much time beyond the weekend trip to Manila to see their initiator Kiko. And they seem to be obligated to buy all his products: from carpets, to wine, to candles, to tabernacles and crosses, and artwork. The marketing machine is quite astonishing. So too is their great devotion to anything kiko. And to Kiko himself. He even has his own prayer card!

    Now, I’ll give Melvin some slack because he is only parroting the script Kiko has written for the entire kiko cult. But as an official(?) of the Catholic Church on Guam, and an aspiring canon lawyer, I hold Fr. Adrian to a much higher standard.

    Fr. Adrian, I hope this lesson has been helpful to you and that you now see quite clearly that the neo is a sect if they still belong to the Mother Church. If they are separated from the Church as Melvin posits, then the kikos are members of a cult.

    So Rev. Chancellor, we wait on your legal opinion. Is the Neo a sect or a cult, or both?
    The World awaits! Maybe Monsignor David, JCD can render an opinion to help us out.

    PS – Noah Webster would like a photo of Kiko to place next to the word that best describes the kikos.

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  34. Observing how things are going these past few days, I'm finding that despite concrete documentation being revealed clearly showing wrongdoing on the Archbishop's part, this whole issue circumscribed by the Archbishop's involvement in the Neocatechumenal Way has made this a very very delicate matter to discuss. It seems those who walk in the Way are very much die hard loyal to the Way with conviction. It's astonishing how righteous they feel they are. And what did we traditional Catholics expect? For at least 20 years we idly looked the other way as the Neo Movement took root and deeply entrenched itself deeper and deeper into our island. We did nothing, even though some of us already knew something was not right. We looked away. And now we're faced with this big task of trying to make things right, but really this is a big mess and we really need to wake up and realize how monumental of a mess this is that we have to fix. Looking at the turnout of the petition, it's been more than two days now that the petition has been up and it's barely broken past 250. Where is the conviction? Where is the mobilizing? Where is the supposed strong passion to drive Pius out? Sorry but 250 out of the entire Catholic populace hardly shows conviction. Drawing again what Cardinal Tagle said in his homily for Monsignor James' Anniversary Mass when he quoted his mentor Fr. Horatio-

    “He will fill our nets with fish;
    but only if we are willing to fish all night,
    even if we catch nothing.
    He will make our water wine;
    but only if we take our jars to the well
    and stagger back with them
    filled not half-way but to the brim.
    He will feed the multitudes;
    but only if we are willing to share
    our limited resources
    our five loaves
    and two fish…”

    Have we been "fishing all night", "staggering to get our jars filled at the well", have we been doing OUR part in the share of the work so that the Lord would justly deliver us?

    Just something to ponder. If the answer is no, that you haven't done all you can, well then it isn't too late to get your feet wet and do all you can to help make our voices heard, whether it's through this petition, through letters of concern, or through genuine fellowship and communication with our fellow Catholic brothers and sisters. In other words, GET OFF YOUR BUMS AND LET'S GET TO WORK!

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    1. As of 4:00 am this morning, this petition against Fr. Pius has been viewed 3900 times, with huge numbers of views coming from Europe, including Malta and Rome. We now have at least 250 brave souls who have signed it, bravely making their names known in this climate of fear and reprisal.

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    2. if it's not already obvious to people, behind any "climate of fear and reprisal" is this: power.

      worldly power is an immense attraction. but it often becomes a substitute for God. when that happens, it's an idol that must be rejected.

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  35. It should be noted that we have received several inquiries asking who Fr. Pius is.

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  36. Fr. Matthew Blockley.August 8, 2014 at 2:36 PM

    In a climate of fear now created by Archbishop Apuron it is not easy for 270 brave people to come forward and sign their names. This shows that the people of Guam have only one concern to restore Truth, Justice, dignity, and integrity, to the Roman Catholic Church in Guam. These Nobel men and women have signed their names for the cause of truth.

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  37. More people wants to sign their names but scared of retribution, not from the archi but the people they work with or people they report to. Some of the high ranking neo cats have position in the government, private sector, law firms, banks, etc. I know of one who is so personal and will find a way to cut you off or give you a hard time, hostile environment.

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  38. And what about those who do not have access to email, internet, etc like the manamko? And what about those that do not follow the jungle watch, don't really get update on what's going on but wants to sign the petition?

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    1. Here you go. Download, print out and distribute. Make copies. Send everything back to junglewatch.info@gmail.com Or email me if you wish to arrange for physical drop off.

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    2. Here's the link:
      http://www.scribd.com/doc/236296765/Petition-to-Restore-Msgr-James

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  39. Thanks Tim, I'll circulate it. Is there a deadline?

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    1. The petition I sent you is for Msgr. James. There is a date on it. The one for Pius is completed and will be taken down soon.

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  40. Chuck, when will you submit the petition to the Father General?

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